PG Thread: Oh no, we suck again!

[WargamesX]

RJ will be fine if he just accepts who he is and plays like he did last year and exclusively shoots wide open shots from his hot spots in the corners which is the only shot he’s proven to be able to make efficiently. He’s trying to shoot from other spots on the floor now and it doesn’t look like he can do it. That’s why he’s shooting 38% FG% and 21% from 3. This is how he played as a rookie and at the beginning of last year too until he restricted himself to almost exclusively shooting wide open assisted catch and shoot attempts from his hot sports

I don’t like this because it’s too early in the season and too early in his career to start “accepting who he is” I prefer he spends these games trying to add to his skillset.

[mpharris36]

the question you have to ask yourself is if julius randle is enough of a draw for someone to ask to come here to play with ? i don't know. harden left to team up with kd & kyrie. ad left to join lebron. pg left to join kawhi. it's not exactly the same thing.

but even with that if the sixers put Simmons in the trade he would be in philly. A lot of these guys ask to go certain places but they have to expand to at least a few other locations because these guys are asking out even earlier than the final year of there contract. If they ask out do we still have the best offer?

[F N 11]

I mess with y’all heavy but I can’t talk about the knicks today. They gotta beat 6ers to get me back in a good mood lol.

[Deeeez Knicks]

the question you have to ask yourself is if julius randle is enough of a draw for someone to ask to come here to play with ? i don't know. harden left to team up with kd & kyrie. ad left to join lebron. pg left to join kawhi. it's not exactly the same thing.

[god shammgod]

the question you have to ask yourself is if julius randle is enough of a draw for someone to ask to come here to play with ? i don't know. harden left to team up with kd & kyrie. ad left to join lebron. pg left to join kawhi. it's not exactly the same thing.

zion and randle are impossible to play together so you're almost exactly in the same place if you trade one for the other. zion will be better if he can stay healthy but who knows if he can.

[god shammgod]

the question you have to ask yourself is if julius randle is enough of a draw for someone to ask to come here to play with ? i don't know. harden left to team up with kd & kyrie. ad left to join lebron. pg left to join kawhi. it's not exactly the same thing.

but even with that if the sixers put Simmons in the trade he would be in philly. A lot of these guys ask to go certain places but they have to expand to at least a few other locations because these guys are asking out even earlier than the final year of there contract. If they ask out do we still have the best offer?

the sixers were on his list. he wasn't getting traded there without his ok. embiid is a pretty big draw to play with too.

[robillionaire]

the question you have to ask yourself is if julius randle is enough of a draw for someone to ask to come here to play with ? i don't know. harden left to team up with kd & kyrie. ad left to join lebron. pg left to join kawhi. it's not exactly the same thing.

we will have to add someone via trade most likely, and yeah I think we would at least be on a players list of preferred trade destinations

[GONYK]

right away? very few but just watching Ja Morant last night he is coming into his own now and you just have more time with younger players then you would have with a more veteran team/trade approach. LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards look to be making that next leap. This current class looks pretty good. All those drafts would have perceived more trade value throughout the league then anyone currently on our roster even though or roster is better in terms of winning.

I think the overwhelming probability is that none of those guys will be perennial MVP candidates.

Every class looks good until the players get to the NBA. And then you see that there are a few all-stars, a few great starters, a bunch of bench players and every 10 years you get a Luka type.

I do think there was value to the knicks being competitive for the sake of the fan base of us being trashed on every year. So I get that.

But the Nets route where you can get better and FA will want to come just isn't a thing anymore. FA just isn't the same with these new max extension rules. Guys don't hit the open market anymore. And if they do they are more the Demar Derozan types where are they really franchise changers?

It will have to come via trade. And when that happens no one knows so it kinda has you in a holding pattern but priorities aren't young players they are wins so guys like Kemba/Burks/Rose/Fournier will be prioritized for wins and they are better than young players but we won't ever see if McBride or Grimes are players. Like I said I see pros and cons for both. I agree wins do hold value when trying to build a culture that was just erroded away from all the knicks ineptitude so I get that.

I agree with that. But I don't think that means that the draft is better. It means that our FO has to adapt. You need to hit on your later round picks, invest in team development, coaching, etc... and keep your cap manageable.

The draft is more of a crapshoot than paying for proven production though. There are so many variables, and even if things break right, you still don't get a gold jacket player, just a very good one (Lillard, Mitchell, KAT)

Lebrons, KDs, Currys only come around so often.

For the first part its not a just about them needing to be MVP candidates. Lets say tomorrow SGA was put on the market. And every team wanted to acquire him. Everything equal in headlining a deal if the Hornets put LaMelo in the package or Minny put Anthony Edwards in the package or if DET/HOU/CLE/TOR/ORL put any of Cade/Green/Mobley/Barnes/Suggs...wouldn't those packages all be headlined by more enticing young players on there rookie deals. RJ probably headlines our deal the best but we have more a quantity over quality package.

In theory, sure, but what does DET or CHA have to gain by trading Cade or LaMelo for SGA. That becomes a lateral move.

Why would any star want to go play for Orlando if Suggs isn't there?

Also the moves we made while maybe adding more wins I could maybe make the case its suppressing some other of our trade assets. Obi and IQ are the 9th and 10th men in the rotation. With a healthy big man rotation Thibs is going back to playing Obi 12 minutes a game because he is just Randles crutch when he needs a rest. Same with IQ. Thibs will go with Kemba/Rose/Fournier/Burks and RJ before he turns to IQ. We have no idea what we have in McBride and Grimes and neither will other teams.

That's a coaching issue, not a team building one.

So yes are we better playing our current rotation. Absolutely. Does it make us a more enticing trade partner? That I am not sure of. Which I think you agree with is still the main focus of the FO...finding that big trade they have been working the back channels for.

But what's the alternative? Having less assets and being a worse team?

[GONYK]

do you think we have enough trade ammo to get both from that "second tier" you are talking about. I personally don't' see us have the trade capital to land both KAT/Mitchell.

No. Somebody has to hit the market.

We build incrementally until then.

thats a long time bro

Unless you do the Heat or Nets model, it's all a long time.

Memphis isn't winning a title anytime soon. Neither are the Hornets, or the Pelicans, or the Pistons. Probably not even the Mavs.

Projected time shouldn't be the sole metric, because at some point, you just have to get lucky.

[mpharris36]

the question you have to ask yourself is if julius randle is enough of a draw for someone to ask to come here to play with ? i don't know. harden left to team up with kd & kyrie. ad left to join lebron. pg left to join kawhi. it's not exactly the same thing.

but even with that if the sixers put Simmons in the trade he would be in philly. A lot of these guys ask to go certain places but they have to expand to at least a few other locations because these guys are asking out even earlier than the final year of there contract. If they ask out do we still have the best offer?

the sixers were on his list. he wasn't getting traded there without his ok. embiid is a pretty big draw to play with too.

true but my point is even if Randle is a draw (which still is a question). If a big time player wants to come the Knicks might be on there list but they might not be the only team.

I actually think for guys like KAT/Spida its more about hooping in NY and maybe Thibs then any specific player coming to play with IMO.

[BugginOut]

We really going to panic because we dropped one game. You can’t win every game and the team is still trying to get used to the new players and new roles.

The Hawks lost to the Cavs last night and you don’t see their fans saying they need to blow it up.

Good teams sometimes lose to bad teams it’s just the nature of the NBA, and this early in the season you don’t know where any team will end up.

I bet Bucks fans were on suicide-watch after we blew them out by 30 in our third game last season. They went on to win the championship.

Team just needs to regroup and focus on dominating against the Sixers and Bulls.

[Capn'O]

RJ will be fine if he just accepts who he is and plays like he did last year and exclusively shoots wide open shots from his hot spots in the corners which is the only shot he’s proven to be able to make efficiently. He’s trying to shoot from other spots on the floor now and it doesn’t look like he can do it. That’s why he’s shooting 38% FG% and 21% from 3. This is how he played as a rookie and at the beginning of last year too until he restricted himself to almost exclusively shooting wide open assisted catch and shoot attempts from his hot sports

I couldn’t disagree more.

RJ is experimenting with shooting off the dribble and pulling up in the lane for mid-range jumpers. That’s what he drilled on this Summer and when he starts hitting them you’ll be singing a different tune.

I think my take on him is correct. He’s not a naturally spontaneous player, but when he figures something out he can replicate that skill effectively.

So now you want to relegate him to the thing he mastered instead of allowing for him to master another skill he’s already drilled on and is working out the kinks of in true game situations.

Show some vision Rob

Yeah, he needs to expand his game. He wasn't far off on a lot of his drives last night but they're obviously not falling yet.

TBH, it felt like he was using this game to get comfortable but the Magic showed a little more life than we were expecting.

[GONYK]

We really going to panic because we dropped one game. You can’t win every game and the team is still trying to get used to the new players and new roles.

The Hawks lost to the Cavs last night and you don’t see their fans saying they need to blow it up.

Good teams sometimes lose to bad teams it’s just the nature of the NBA, and this early in the season you don’t know where any team will end up.

I bet Bucks fans were on suicide-watch after we blew them out by 30 in our third game last season. They went on to win the championship.

Team just needs to regroup and focus on dominating against the Sixers and Bulls.

The only real takeaway from the last game was that the team was feeling itself too much, so they didn't feel like they needed to do the little things. Yea, we missed shots, but all of that was because our rhythm was off because we were getting outworked.

Let's hope they were disabused of that notion.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If we progress little by little and establish ourselves as a legit winning playoff team then more players will want to come.

[GONYK]

If we progress little by little and establish ourselves as a legit winning playoff team then more players will want to come.

And therein lies the prestige

[mpharris36]

If we progress little by little and establish ourselves as a legit winning playoff team then more players will want to come.

It wont be easy. That 2nd tier of eastern conference teams have made a jump along with us.

CHI is good
Charlotte is good
Miami is good

Curious, how would people feel if we have another playoff flub. Not saying this will be the case because I think we should be a tough out. But there are still a lot of question marks about this team translating and Randle/RJ especially in the post season.

A lot still relies on Derrick Rose...which is a dicey thing to rely on.

[HarthorneWingo]

Reggie Bullock with another stellar performance 0-3 with 1 point in 18 minutes. Looks like our whole team was full of bullocks tonight lol

Kidd doesn’t know how to use Bullock like we did.

Re-signing Bullock over Burks makes so much since with this roster construction. Burks is so redundant with so many players on the roster already.

Burks can drive to the hoop and get to the foul line, Bullock can’t. Thibs is comfortable with Burks playing a little PG but not with Bullock.

Admittedly, it’s a tough call.

[BugginOut]

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Honestly not going to get mad for RJ until he steps up on the offensive end. Need him to get into a rhythm if we want to beat the Sixers and Bulls

[DaGawd]

If we progress little by little and establish ourselves as a legit winning playoff team then more players will want to come.

It wont be easy. That 2nd tier of eastern conference teams have made a jump along with us.

CHI is good
Charlotte is good
Miami is good

Curious, how would people feel if we have another playoff flub. Not saying this will be the case because I think we should be a tough out. But there are still a lot of question marks about this team translating and Randle/RJ especially in the post season.

A lot still relies on Derrick Rose...which is a dicey thing to rely on.

This is why RJ taking the next step offensively to being more than just a catch and shot and straight line driver is so important to how good this team can be.

[robillionaire]

If we progress little by little and establish ourselves as a legit winning playoff team then more players will want to come.

It wont be easy. That 2nd tier of eastern conference teams have made a jump along with us.

CHI is good
Charlotte is good
Miami is good

Curious, how would people feel if we have another playoff flub. Not saying this will be the case because I think we should be a tough out. But there are still a lot of question marks about this team translating and Randle/RJ especially in the post season.

A lot still relies on Derrick Rose...which is a dicey thing to rely on.

I'd be satisfied just making the playoffs. Because until we bring another star in here we shouldn't have much higher expectations than that imo. It'd be cool if they won a playoff series but at the end of the day it's not a big deal. Like do people care that we won a playoff series in 2013? I don't