OT: Russia-Ukraine War

[E-Balla]

What more proof you want

Also NATO won't get into any direct conflict? They're already there!

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/25/nato-deploy-troops-eastern-flank-ukraine-00011902

Pointgod you need to read before you talk my guy.

Hold up are you saying that Eastern flank means NATO is putting troops in Ukraine? I’ll let you clarify this before claiming that I don’t read before I talk.

Mobilizing in Poland is a clear act of aggression. We've seen this all before. None of us are ignorant as to what the start of war looks like.

[E-Balla]

Anyone who believes the Ukranian government, who’s President is Jewish, is full of Nazis is a complete **** moron and has fallen down the rabbit hole of Russian propaganda. Ask yourself why you’re conveniently hearing about Nazis in Ukranian government when Russia is starting a war with them and is the obvious aggressor.

The truth is that there are far right neo Nazis in Ukraine fighting against Russian aggression that’s true. Some of these groups have also been absorbed into the Ukranian army that’s also true. But it’s absolute bull to spread Putin’s lie that he’s fighting Nazis when he himself has pushed far right/Nazi parties across Europe and North America. This is a situation where the enemy of my enemy is a friend and the Ukrainians will need to deal with the far right at another time because they’re just fighting to survive right now.

We have Nazis in our military and law enforcement agencies too. Every country does. This is just propaganda used by Putin. He’s no different than Trump in that regard though he is smarter and shrewder.

Make no mistake I’m not trying to minimize the far right or neo nazis. However I can see that for people literally fighting for their lives and their Democracy, the far right is probably a little bit down on the list of issues to worry about. I mean if China invaded the US and the Proud Boys were on the frontlines fighting, it could be a all hands on deck situation despite the fact that they’re absolute scum.

The difference between neoliberals and leftists right here.

If China invaded America and the only choice was funding the Proud Boys or letting China win I already know which choice is best for my black ass and it ain't the Proud Boys.

This was the same argument towards supporting all the far right dictators America has always supported. How about we mind our own business for once.

[HarthorneWingo]

Make no mistake I’m not trying to minimize the far right or neo nazis. However I can see that for people literally fighting for their lives and their Democracy, the far right is probably a little bit down on the list of issues to worry about. I mean if China invaded the US and the Proud Boys were on the frontlines fighting, it could be a all hands on deck situation despite the fact that they’re absolute scum.

Completely agree. Besides, the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are probably just as angry and the non-Nazi Ukrainians. When some foreigner comes to take your shyt, the Uke Nazis probably get even the most mad! Now go get them their crystal meth and put them to work. Make yourselves useful. lol

Admit it, you just want to be Walter White

Willy Wonka!

[HarthorneWingo]

Make no mistake I’m not trying to minimize the far right or neo nazis. However I can see that for people literally fighting for their lives and their Democracy, the far right is probably a little bit down on the list of issues to worry about. I mean if China invaded the US and the Proud Boys were on the frontlines fighting, it could be a all hands on deck situation despite the fact that they’re absolute scum.

Completely agree. Besides, the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are probably just as angry and the non-Nazi Ukrainians. When some foreigner comes to take your shyt, the Uke Nazis probably get even the most mad! Now go get them their crystal meth and put them to work. Make yourselves useful. lol

Admit it, you just want to be Walter White

Willy Wonka!

[8516knicks]

Much as I'd like to cheer the Ukraine defense, I have to remember it's not a football game. People are dying and worse maimed. And on the Russian side get this --
Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
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54m
For those who don’t know, this sort of thing was presaged 36 hours ago, when media reported Putin had populated his invasion force with *many* teenage recruits who’d been *falsely* told they were headed to boot camp—and then *forced* to enlist for combat.

They are clueless kids.
Quote Tweet
Elizabeth Campbell
@ECampbell360
· 3h
"We have captured around 200 Russian soldiers, some around 19 years old. Not trained at all. Badly equipped." Ukraninan Major General Borys Kremenetsky says. "We allow them to call their parents. Parents completely surprised."

[8516knicks]

this is funny amid the carnage -

Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
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10h
!!! Ukraine's Interior ministry asked residents to take down street signs in order to confuse oncoming Russian troops. The state road-signs agency went one step further. (Roughly: all directions are to "go **** yourselves")

[Clyde_Style]

I’ve acknowledged white nationalism as a problem repeatedly, but you’re working strictly in broad strokes. If somebody was learning anything for the first time and you were their source they’d think the Ukraine deserves what is happening because it is run by Nazis or that there is no difference between American political parties.

You didn't acknowledge it as a problem, you called us Kremlin sympathizers for saying America shouldn't support the Ukraine.

If that broad stroke is "don't use my tax money to fund international far right extremists" yeah imma use it.

If someone was learning it from you for the first time they'd be ready to go to war to feed the economy possibly leading to nuclear ramifications all in the support of a country that's not an ally and that cozies up to neo Nazis.

And the Democratic Party is just flat out dumb at best or controlled opposition at worst. Either way defending their nonsense (when we're talking about a party that's war mongering for wartime profits at the expense of human life) is a bigger problem than criticizing them for some people because neoliberals think West Wing is real life.

It’s always Burn Baby Burn with you. Anything less and someone is a milquetoast neoliberal to you. IIRC you were the one who called me a racist because I didn’t think it was cool to burn down a Vietnamese restaurant in Tampa. You said that’s what insurance is for. You have no answers. None. We’re done

It turns out my memory was accurate

Funny how Eballa immediately knew it was the George Floyd thread and then denied it, even to say they weren't active there when they sure were

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=83310642#p83310642

At least be honest about it

Yeah, I'm really done with you now

[Zenzibar]

Also NATO won't get into any direct conflict? They're already there!

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/25/nato-deploy-troops-eastern-flank-ukraine-00011902

Pointgod you need to read before you talk my guy.

Hold up are you saying that Eastern flank means NATO is putting troops in Ukraine? I’ll let you clarify this before claiming that I don’t read before I talk.

Mobilizing in Poland is a clear act of aggression. We've seen this all before. None of us are ignorant as to what the start of war looks like.

There's actually a need for deescalation from all sides and go back to the Minsk agreement. Punish Russia if one wishes, but that agreement is to keep everyone in check. Not abiding by that agreement is why we're here.

BTW, after 2020, my nephew and I already discussed what to do in a worse case scenario...

[E-Balla]

You didn't acknowledge it as a problem, you called us Kremlin sympathizers for saying America shouldn't support the Ukraine.

If that broad stroke is "don't use my tax money to fund international far right extremists" yeah imma use it.

If someone was learning it from you for the first time they'd be ready to go to war to feed the economy possibly leading to nuclear ramifications all in the support of a country that's not an ally and that cozies up to neo Nazis.

And the Democratic Party is just flat out dumb at best or controlled opposition at worst. Either way defending their nonsense (when we're talking about a party that's war mongering for wartime profits at the expense of human life) is a bigger problem than criticizing them for some people because neoliberals think West Wing is real life.

It’s always Burn Baby Burn with you. Anything less and someone is a milquetoast neoliberal to you. IIRC you were the one who called me a racist because I didn’t think it was cool to burn down a Vietnamese restaurant in Tampa. You said that’s what insurance is for. You have no answers. None. We’re done

It turns out my memory was accurate

Funny how Eballa immediately knew it was the George Floyd thread and then denied it, even to say they weren't active there when they sure were

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=83310642#p83310642

At least be honest about it

Yeah, I'm really done with you now

I knew it was George Floyd because that's the only time riots have been discussed here recently and I didn't call you racist in that post at all are you blind? You're the one calling me racist. I called you a bystander to the suffering of black people, which is true unless you're black. Here you are showing your whole ass again with the clear lies.

Imma start calling you a racist going forward though, I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt like you just learned white supremacy though osmosis like most. You're intelligent and going out of your way to not understand the argument against white supremacy and western imperialism (to tie it back to the topic).

PS - You were talking about 2020 being the year black voters mattered and would get **** done... How you feel about that prediction now?

Joe Biden in office tap dancing on campaign promises.

[Clyde_Style]

It’s always Burn Baby Burn with you. Anything less and someone is a milquetoast neoliberal to you. IIRC you were the one who called me a racist because I didn’t think it was cool to burn down a Vietnamese restaurant in Tampa. You said that’s what insurance is for. You have no answers. None. We’re done

It turns out my memory was accurate

Funny how Eballa immediately knew it was the George Floyd thread and then denied it, even to say they weren't active there when they sure were

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=83310642#p83310642

At least be honest about it

Yeah, I'm really done with you now

I knew it was George Floyd because that's the only time riots have been discussed here recently and I didn't call you racist in that post at all are you blind? You're the one calling me racist. I called you a bystander to the suffering of black people, which is true unless you're black. Here you are showing your whole ass again with the clear lies.

Imma start calling you a racist going forward though, I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt like you just learned white supremacy though osmosis like most. You're intelligent and going out of your way to not understand the argument against white supremacy and western imperialism (to tie it back to the topic).

PS - You were talking about 2020 being the year black voters mattered and would get **** done... How you feel about that prediction now?

Joe Biden in office tap dancing on campaign promises.

You're a psychopath, possibly a sociopath. Last time I address you

[E-Balla]

The real Clyde wouldn't **** with you. Zero swag. Wanna get quiet when called on your blatant lies. Funny part is you're the one that posted the damn proof lmao.

[robillionaire]

The real Clyde wouldn't **** with you. Zero swag. Wanna get quiet when called on your blatant lies. Funny part is you're the one that posted the damn proof lmao.

do like I did and put him on the ignore list, revealed his colors a long time ago

[Clyde_Style]

Hard to know what is entirely true yet, but if it is true that many of the Russian soldiers are kids who were just conscripted and unknowingly sent into battle without training this could get very messy for the Russian military if they do not take the Ukraine quickly.

[8516knicks]

Breaking news - Amerikanskis getting the ORDER OF LENIN!

Watch on YouTube

[BKlutch]

The real Clyde wouldn't **** with you. Zero swag. Wanna get quiet when called on your blatant lies. Funny part is you're the one that posted the damn proof lmao.

do like I did and put him on the ignore list, revealed his colors a long time ago

If he were a compensated Putin apologist, what would he say or write differently than what he does now?
Poland an aggressor due to mobilization, but doesn’t condemn Russian aggression for invading? Show multiple “sources” and insults others for not buying them, although they ACTUALLY DONT SUPPORT his position. Lying about past posts. Antisemetic posts that are highly offensive to us Jews.

So why does he do this? Principles? I don’t think so. Is he compensated for his views? Let’s find out!

[thebuzzardman]

The real Clyde wouldn't **** with you. Zero swag. Wanna get quiet when called on your blatant lies. Funny part is you're the one that posted the damn proof lmao.

do like I did and put him on the ignore list, revealed his colors a long time ago

If he were a compensated Putin apologist, what would he say or write differently than what he does now?
Poland an aggressor due to mobilization, but doesn’t condemn Russian aggression for invading? Show multiple “sources” and insults others for not buying them, although they ACTUALLY DONT SUPPORT his position. Lying about past posts. Antisemetic posts that are highly offensive to us Jews.

So why does he do this? Principles? I don’t think so. Is he compensated for his views? Let’s find out!

Er, what?

[BKlutch]

do like I did and put him on the ignore list, revealed his colors a long time ago

If he were a compensated Putin apologist, what would he say or write differently than what he does now?
Poland an aggressor due to mobilization, but doesn’t condemn Russian aggression for invading? Show multiple “sources” and insults others for not buying them, although they ACTUALLY DONT SUPPORT his position. Lying about past posts. Antisemetic posts that are highly offensive to us Jews.

So why does he do this? Principles? I don’t think so. Is he compensated for his views? Let’s find out!

Er, what?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Eballa and compensated Russian apologists.

[Zenzibar]

Mind your money, some financial impacts are going to felt all around.

Wall Street Counsels Washington Against Kicking Russia Off SWIFT
= JPMorgan, Citigroup see possibility the move would backfire
= Secondary sanctions on Russian banks seen as best alternative

Some of Wall Street’s largest banks told lawmakers and the Biden administration that kicking Russia off the SWIFT financial-messaging system would have far-reaching fallout that could hurt the global economy and undermine the purpose of the penalties, people familiar with the matter said.

Firms including JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup Inc. suggested Washington stick with other types of sanctions to punish Russia for invading Ukraine, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing private talks. Other banks with less international exposure were more receptive to the idea, telling officials that it would be a manageable step. Representatives from the banks declined to comment.

Opponents of the idea passed along a warning: Booting Russia from the critical global system -- which handles 42 million messages a day and serves as a lifeline to some of the world’s biggest financial institutions -- could backfire, sending inflation higher, pushing Russia closer to China and shielding financial transactions from scrutiny by the West. It might also encourage the development of a SWIFT alternative that could eventually damage the supremacy of the U.S. dollar.

[8516knicks]

Mind your money, some financial impacts are going to felt all around.

Wall Street Counsels Washington Against Kicking Russia Off SWIFT
= JPMorgan, Citigroup see possibility the move would backfire
= Secondary sanctions on Russian banks seen as best alternative

Some of Wall Street’s largest banks told lawmakers and the Biden administration that kicking Russia off the SWIFT financial-messaging system would have far-reaching fallout that could hurt the global economy and undermine the purpose of the penalties, people familiar with the matter said.

Firms including JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup Inc. suggested Washington stick with other types of sanctions to punish Russia for invading Ukraine, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing private talks. Other banks with less international exposure were more receptive to the idea, telling officials that it would be a manageable step. Representatives from the banks declined to comment.

Opponents of the idea passed along a warning: Booting Russia from the critical global system -- which handles 42 million messages a day and serves as a lifeline to some of the world’s biggest financial institutions -- could backfire, sending inflation higher, pushing Russia closer to China and shielding financial transactions from scrutiny by the West. It might also encourage the development of a SWIFT alternative that could eventually damage the supremacy of the U.S. dollar.

These are the elements of the same crowd that got billions in bonuses during the last financial crisis while NO ONE went to jail! Save our Yachts is not exactly an inspiring motto!

[E-Balla]

If he were a compensated Putin apologist, what would he say or write differently than what he does now?
Poland an aggressor due to mobilization, but doesn’t condemn Russian aggression for invading? Show multiple “sources” and insults others for not buying them, although they ACTUALLY DONT SUPPORT his position. Lying about past posts. Antisemetic posts that are highly offensive to us Jews.

So why does he do this? Principles? I don’t think so. Is he compensated for his views? Let’s find out!

Er, what?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Eballa and compensated Russian apologists.

Totally. I give so much of a damn about Russia.

Who are these American born and raised Putin apologists? I've never even remotely met one.

I don't give a **** about any country other than America because I don't pay taxes in any country but America. What the **** does me or any of y'all condemning Russia do for anyone? I'm sorry I speak about promoting tangible actions instead of virtue signaling like you do. Unless you are saying America should engage here and escalate the conflict you're literally just posturing to make yourself seem humane here. You don't give a **** about the Ukraine, if you did you'd know more about this conflict than what you've seen on the news this week.

I'm not not a hypocrite so I can openly admit the only foreign conflicts I care about are ones my tax dollars support.