Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[Jose7]

need a wing...

mitch / kolek / pick(s) for herb jones

type of iteration

[NoDopeOnSundays]

need a wing...

mitch / kolek / pick(s) for herb jones

type of iteration

They aren't trading Jones for anything we have, they have a C that will on the be all-rookie team this year.

[Wildcat]

I miss the days where where confusing enforcer with a dirty player wasn't a normal thing (regarding Beef) . Never mind that his personality and professionalism seems opposite of the high character guys the Knicks have brought in.

[WaltFrazier]

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.

Connecting dots here......

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-pursue-young-raptors-forward-in-a-deadline-trade/

Mitch (14.3) + Kolek (2.1)+ 2030 1st swap for Boucher (10.8)+ Ogbaji (4.3)

I've seen Boucher for years. He's on a heater recently, but too skinny to be a force on the boards. Ogbaji is a promising 2 way wing who can defend and hit threes. But Mitch is too much to give up, unless you're getting back another big body to replace him.

If only we could get Poeltl from them, but Masai would want too much

[HarthorneWingo]

Macri newsletter. The following comes from Ian Begley

Begley expects the Knicks to move on from Jericho Sims prior to the deadline
Jonas Valančiūnas would be a player of interest if the Knicks have doubts about Mitchell Robinson’s ability to come back and contribute.

Robinson’s status remains up in the air despite Thibodeau’s recent comments that he’s running, jumping and taking controlled contact. Begley would be surprised if they moved on from Mitch with his value being so theoretically low at the moment.

One last note: don’t rule out the possibility that a rookie is dealt. While Begs cautions that the Knicks are not approaching this deadline with desperation, including a rookie like Pacome Dadiet in a trade could be a way to make up for the draft compensation that they currently lack.

[Chanel Bomber]

Frankly we just need just one more rotation player who can play multiple positions for 15 minutes a game off the bench.

This team is a contender as currently structured - it just needs depth.

Looking for a starter like Turner who alters the whole lineup and style of play would be really counterproductive, not to mention it wouldn't fix the depth issue. Valanciunas would hurt the team.

We just need a generic wing/big guard.

[thebuzzardman]

Frankly we just need just one more rotation player who can play multiple positions for 15 minutes a game off the bench.

This team is a contender as currently structured - it just needs depth.

Looking for a starter like Turner who alters the whole lineup and style of play would be really counterproductive, not to mention it wouldn't fix the depth issue. Valanciunas would hurt the team.

We just need a generic wing/big guard.

I agree about V, just seems like something the FO is interested in.

Boucher isn't even a player I'm that wild about, but the fact that he can kind of play 4/5 like precious might be something they like, even though the Knicks real need is a 3/4 type player.

Both of those moves are about if the Knicks are kind of soft selling the severity of whatever Mitch is dealing with. I mean, it already went from "He'll be back in time for the season, to January, to "some time in February"

If that's the case with Mitch, then they need a 5/4 and and a 3/4. Well, not need, but it would help.

[thebuzzardman]

Macri newsletter. The following comes from Ian Begley

Begley expects the Knicks to move on from Jericho Sims prior to the deadline
Jonas Valančiūnas would be a player of interest if the Knicks have doubts about Mitchell Robinson’s ability to come back and contribute.

Robinson’s status remains up in the air despite Thibodeau’s recent comments that he’s running, jumping and taking controlled contact. Begley would be surprised if they moved on from Mitch with his value being so theoretically low at the moment.

One last note: don’t rule out the possibility that a rookie is dealt. While Begs cautions that the Knicks are not approaching this deadline with desperation, including a rookie like Pacome Dadiet in a trade could be a way to make up for the draft compensation that they currently lack.

Kolek
Dadiet
McCullars
Hukporti

That's a LOT of developmental youth for a contender to carry. I get a team like Houston has a lot of depth, or OKC, but that's out of situations where they sucked for years/accumulated tons of picks. Even Memphis is kind of/sort of in that model - Ja carrying on and getting hurt improved their draft position, just seems odd for the Knicks.

I get it's the result of going after OG/Mikal/KAT/Brunson and with the new CBA teams are going to be top heavy, but feels like it's an indication Knicks could deal one of those players.

Considering they also carry

Sims
Toppin
Ryan
Mitch

in the "barely play" category

Then again, considering the Knicks are trading every other pick away over the next 7 years or whatever, it was smart to have 4 players to develop, even if they trade one it's still three

[thebuzzardman]

If Mitch comes back, he solves the front court depth problem, or at least the quality depth problem, until that time, if ever, Hukporti is decent.

Like Channel pointed out, like everyone sees, they need that quality wing to cut into the Bridges/OG/Hart minutes, someone who is 6'7" to 6'9" instead of 6'4" or less, like the rest of the back court reserves

[R-DAWG]

I keep going back to beef Stew here......

Guy has fallen deeper into their bench rotation as Pistons like other guys right now on their roster.

He matches up pretty well salary wise with Mitch with a cost savings of 18Million over life of contract.

The move for Mitch won't be for weaker defenders like Jonas.

Throwing in Sims makes this work cap wise this year and opens up a vet min slot.

Next year is when it gets tough as Robinson has a descending contract and Stew makes an extra $2mm. This would leave NY with 4 open roster spots and only $6.9mm to fill them - meaning 2 vet mins and 2 2nd rd picks (of which NY ONLY has the better of BOS/MEM in 25). Without Stew you can get 3 vet mins on the roster.

I'd like that move but I think he'd cost both Mitch and Percious, no?

https://www.salaryswish.com/players/isaiah-stewart#:~:text=CURRENT%20CONTRACT&text=Isaiah%20Stewart%20signed%20a%203,a%20cap%20hit%20of%20%2415%2C000%2C000.

Maybe Mitch & Sims? I'm not going to look it up. Looks like 3 million difference

14.3 for Mitch, 15M for Stew.

They be very close in Salary with Stew @15 for next 3 years vs Mitch contract ending end of next season.

[R-DAWG]

Can someone clarify a 2nd apron rule

Most of us think the Knicks are set up to be in the 2nd apron for 27 and 28. This would freeze the 2035 1st for trade purposes but not punt it to the end of the 1st rd. If NY is out of the apron in 29, 30 and 31 the pick is unfrozen and the clock re-starts.

Now, let’s say NY elects to go into the 2nd apron next year and commits to being there through 2029. The 2034 1st would freeze after the 27 season and then automatically move to the end of the 1st rd after 28. If NY is out of the 2nd apron in 30, 31 and 32 after 4 straight years in the 2nd apron are all pick restrictions lifted?

[navyblue]

Can someone clarify a 2nd apron rule

Most of us think the Knicks are set up to be in the 2nd apron for 27 and 28. This would freeze the 2035 1st for trade purposes but not punt it to the end of the 1st rd. If NY is out of the apron in 29, 30 and 31 the pick is unfrozen and the clock re-starts.

Now, let’s say NY elects to go into the 2nd apron next year and commits to being there through 2029. The 2034 1st would freeze after the 27 season and then automatically move to the end of the 1st rd after 28. If NY is out of the 2nd apron in 30, 31 and 32 after 4 straight years in the 2nd apron are all pick restrictions lifted?

Pick stays at the end of 1st round(and stays there)after being in 2nd apron 3 out of 5 years.

[R-DAWG]

Can someone clarify a 2nd apron rule

Most of us think the Knicks are set up to be in the 2nd apron for 27 and 28. This would freeze the 2035 1st for trade purposes but not punt it to the end of the 1st rd. If NY is out of the apron in 29, 30 and 31 the pick is unfrozen and the clock re-starts.

Now, let’s say NY elects to go into the 2nd apron next year and commits to being there through 2029. The 2034 1st would freeze after the 27 season and then automatically move to the end of the 1st rd after 28. If NY is out of the 2nd apron in 30, 31 and 32 after 4 straight years in the 2nd apron are all pick restrictions lifted?

Pick stays at the end of 1st round(and stays there)after being in 2nd apron 3 out of 5 years.

And there is no way out? Ie - being out of the apron for 3 straight years prior?

[navyblue]

Can someone clarify a 2nd apron rule

Most of us think the Knicks are set up to be in the 2nd apron for 27 and 28. This would freeze the 2035 1st for trade purposes but not punt it to the end of the 1st rd. If NY is out of the apron in 29, 30 and 31 the pick is unfrozen and the clock re-starts.

Now, let’s say NY elects to go into the 2nd apron next year and commits to being there through 2029. The 2034 1st would freeze after the 27 season and then automatically move to the end of the 1st rd after 28. If NY is out of the 2nd apron in 30, 31 and 32 after 4 straight years in the 2nd apron are all pick restrictions lifted?

Pick stays at the end of 1st round(and stays there)after being in 2nd apron 3 out of 5 years.

And there is no way out? Ie - being out of the apron for 3 straight years prior?

No. Once it's moved to the end there is no rule to unmove it.

[R-DAWG]

Pick stays at the end of 1st round(and stays there)after being in 2nd apron 3 out of 5 years.

And there is no way out? Ie - being out of the apron for 3 straight years prior?

No. Once it's moved to the end there is no rule to unmove it.

So NY really needs to avoid the 2nd apron next year so they can max out in 27 and 28. Then duck under 29,30, 31. Unless, of course, if your a true contender you sacrifice the pick.

[thebuzzardman]

And there is no way out? Ie - being out of the apron for 3 straight years prior?

No. Once it's moved to the end there is no rule to unmove it.

So NY really needs to avoid the 2nd apron next year so they can max out in 27 and 28. Then duck under 29,30, 31. Unless, of course, if your a true contender you sacrifice the pick.

Hopefully the Knicks keep Brock Aller for this entire run, because he's the best at sorting all this out and maximizing the possibilities

[Richard4444]

I think the Knicks should fire their European scout

I would not be surprised if a miscommunication led the Knicks to think Pacome would be OK to be a stashed player.

It did not make sense to draft Pacome and did not stash him. You could draft a more win-now rookie or trade the pick.

[WaltFrazier]

Macri newsletter. The following comes from Ian Begley

Begley expects the Knicks to move on from Jericho Sims prior to the deadline
Jonas Valančiūnas would be a player of interest if the Knicks have doubts about Mitchell Robinson’s ability to come back and contribute.

Robinson’s status remains up in the air despite Thibodeau’s recent comments that he’s running, jumping and taking controlled contact. Begley would be surprised if they moved on from Mitch with his value being so theoretically low at the moment.

One last note: don’t rule out the possibility that a rookie is dealt. While Begs cautions that the Knicks are not approaching this deadline with desperation, including a rookie like Pacome Dadiet in a trade could be a way to make up for the draft compensation that they currently lack.

Kolek
Dadiet
McCullars
Hukporti

That's a LOT of developmental youth for a contender to carry. I get a team like Houston has a lot of depth, or OKC, but that's out of situations where they sucked for years/accumulated tons of picks. Even Memphis is kind of/sort of in that model - Ja carrying on and getting hurt improved their draft position, just seems odd for the Knicks.

I get it's the result of going after OG/Mikal/KAT/Brunson and with the new CBA teams are going to be top heavy, but feels like it's an indication Knicks could deal one of those players.

Considering they also carry

Sims
Toppin
Ryan
Mitch

in the "barely play" category

Then again, considering the Knicks are trading every other pick away over the next 7 years or whatever, it was smart to have 4 players to develop, even if they trade one it's still three

That last point is a good one. It's obvious, but I hadn't looked at it that way. The 4 rookies are like replacements for the lost draft picks of the next few years. And Thibs doesn't play rookies anyway but hopefully they can be ready to contribute in year 2, to provide depth.

[WaltFrazier]

And there is no way out? Ie - being out of the apron for 3 straight years prior?

No. Once it's moved to the end there is no rule to unmove it.

So NY really needs to avoid the 2nd apron next year so they can max out in 27 and 28. Then duck under 29,30, 31. Unless, of course, if your a true contender you sacrifice the pick.

Are any other teams in the second apron now, or closer to it than NYK? Boston maybe? They seem like a team that should be up against it soon.

[nykballa2k4]

If Mitch comes back, he solves the front court depth problem, or at least the quality depth problem, until that time, if ever, Hukporti is decent.

Like Channel pointed out, like everyone sees, they need that quality wing to cut into the Bridges/OG/Hart minutes, someone who is 6'7" to 6'9" instead of 6'4" or less, like the rest of the back court reserves

The obvious solution is Cam Payne for Miami for Burks and SRP

The other bit could be TJ Warren who also solves the problem.

Our FO seems high on Shamet so PG depth would look like

Brunson/Kolek/Shamet/Deuce/Burks.
Just in terms of pg ability. With some of those, the effective pg would be Hart or Bridges