PG: Knicks vs ATL

[mpharris36]

i just think we're picking on thibs here, tbh.

you posted a lot of swiss cheese holes lining up to blow that lead. I can agree that thibs is the coach and it's his job to prevent these things but I don't think that absolves the players of their fck up. sometimes times different aspects of the team fck up and others have to step up. in this case thibs fcked up and the players needed to step up. which is a kinda a microcosm of how this team is run but i'm going to let you pro-thibs and anti-thibs posters run with that.

Fouling up 6 prevents the open 3 from Niang

calling a timeout after the 3 allows you to put a more comfortable inbounder to pass it in and have the whole court to work with.

Its not piling on Thibs its his job. Yes precious shouldn't be giving up a 3 and KAT shouldn't panic and make that bad pass but the point of a coach is to do the exact thing to prevent those things.

Its the reason why there is such a thing as a coach and you just don't have 5 guys out there playing with no direction.

Thibs is a seasoned vet...he has a ton of coaching experience...this should be second nature...the fact of the matter he even admitted to his mishap and that is very uncommon for thibs....when we get destroyed by a team shooting 3's he never says he needs to adj his coverage he just says the team needs to play better. So the fact he owned up to not calling a timeout...is the post game should show you how much of a screw up that is.

Players still win and lose you most games...not denying that. That is why I still think the team has a chance to be really good because the talent on the court is really really good and enjoying the run. However especially in close games vs good teams where one or two decisions or moves can cost you a game...everything on the margins matters and coaches should put the team in the best position to win and he didn't do that last night at the end of the game.

no argument here - thibs fcked up.

and his players didn't pick him up... until OT.

Agreed a lot of them were certainly spent on the b2b....they played two very face pace teams that run up and down...so its certainly asking them a lot.

Brunson was Brunson late...he put us on his shoulders and carried us to a win.

[K_ick_God]

Precious was also bothering Trae when he stepped out.

[Guano]

Fouling up 6 prevents the open 3 from Niang

calling a timeout after the 3 allows you to put a more comfortable inbounder to pass it in and have the whole court to work with.

Its not piling on Thibs its his job. Yes precious shouldn't be giving up a 3 and KAT shouldn't panic and make that bad pass but the point of a coach is to do the exact thing to prevent those things.

Its the reason why there is such a thing as a coach and you just don't have 5 guys out there playing with no direction.

Thibs is a seasoned vet...he has a ton of coaching experience...this should be second nature...the fact of the matter he even admitted to his mishap and that is very uncommon for thibs....when we get destroyed by a team shooting 3's he never says he needs to adj his coverage he just says the team needs to play better. So the fact he owned up to not calling a timeout...is the post game should show you how much of a screw up that is.

Players still win and lose you most games...not denying that. That is why I still think the team has a chance to be really good because the talent on the court is really really good and enjoying the run. However especially in close games vs good teams where one or two decisions or moves can cost you a game...everything on the margins matters and coaches should put the team in the best position to win and he didn't do that last night at the end of the game.

no argument here - thibs fcked up.

and his players didn't pick him up... until OT.

Agreed a lot of them were certainly spent on the b2b....they played two very face pace teams that run up and down...so its certainly asking them a lot.

Brunson was Brunson late...he put us on his shoulders and carried us to a win.

tbh, i think this game is just another example of thibs making it harder for our team to win games.

i will say there might be something to thibs that isn't quantifiable that gets his teams to win. because those teams that had rose on the bench with the only other real good player being randle getting to the playoffs was impressive. is he a championship coach - idk. doc rivers is so sure anything is possible. but his defensive philosophy of letting teams shoot open 3s is bad and the mins are criminal. id prefer to upgrade there but i get the worry of getting someone who is worse. because i do believe these players love playing for thibs. and that is a huge part of coaching.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Who do the Knicks trade, Brunson or KAT?

The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.

We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.

Brunson or KAT could get the Knicks some depth

Really bro? Enough.

[gavran]

I am checking if R guy comes on time at the first page of PG thread about the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 pick.

[Guano]

I am checking if R guy comes on time at the first page of PG thread about the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 pick.

who tf is r-dawg?

[The Vo Show]

Precious was also bothering Trae when he stepped out.

Precious had decent closeouts last night. He closes out quicker than players expect I think.

[mpharris36]

no argument here - thibs fcked up.

and his players didn't pick him up... until OT.

Agreed a lot of them were certainly spent on the b2b....they played two very face pace teams that run up and down...so its certainly asking them a lot.

Brunson was Brunson late...he put us on his shoulders and carried us to a win.

tbh, i think this game is just another example of thibs making it harder for our team to win games.

i will say there might be something to thibs that isn't quantifiable that gets his teams to win. because those teams that had rose on the bench with the only other real good player being randle getting to the playoffs was impressive. is he a championship coach - idk. doc rivers is so sure anything is possible. but his defensive philosophy of letting teams shoot open 3s is bad and the mins are criminal. id prefer to upgrade there but i get the worry of getting someone who is worse. because i do believe these players love playing for thibs. and that is a huge part of coaching.

There is certainly something to players playing hard for him and him instilling a win at all cost mentality. The players love him and would run through a wall for him. All that is factual and I appreciate that. Its also while I'm not calling for him to be fired. But this roster is built to compete and has the talent to compete...a lot will be determined on how we perform in the post season. We are past the well we are winning regular season games so we are good.

Yes we can enjoy the success and I do...but that also doesn't mean I'm satisfied... this team and coach will be judged by there success in the post season.

[BowlRips]

thats a lot to put on a player...trae young is flying around and Hart is scrambling out to help Mikal because he's out of position now.

Im in the camp of that is just a reckless last 2nd shot where we are scrambling not to give up a 3.

A lot of stupid plays happened way before that.

Up 6...we probably should have fouled (new thing in the NBA) up 6 don't let them shoot a 3 to make it one possession.

Precious sinking in to stop Trae drive and let Niang get a wide open 3 up 6 is beyond dumb

KAT inbounding not smart...not calling a TO we have rehashed this (inexcusable from Thibs with two timeouts in his pocket).

Then KAT giving up the offensive rebound (at the end of the game the guy could barely move or jump he was spent...b2b playing nearly 90 mins in a 24 hour span.

Then after all that Hart fouling on the perimeter...which I don't think is the worse thing...Trae got around Hart he was def hitting that 3 to walk us off.

i just think we're picking on thibs here, tbh.

you posted a lot of swiss cheese holes lining up to blow that lead. I can agree that thibs is the coach and it's his job to prevent these things but I don't think that absolves the players of their fck up. sometimes times different aspects of the team fck up and others have to step up. in this case thibs fcked up and the players needed to step up. which is a kinda a microcosm of how this team is run but i'm going to let you pro-thibs and anti-thibs posters run with that.

Fouling up 6 prevents the open 3 from Niang

calling a timeout after the 3 allows you to put a more comfortable inbounder to pass it in and have the whole court to work with.

Its not piling on Thibs its his job. Yes precious shouldn't be giving up a 3 and KAT shouldn't panic and make that bad pass but the point of a coach is to do the exact thing to prevent those things.

Its the reason why there is such a thing as a coach and you just don't have 5 guys out there playing with no direction.

Thibs is a seasoned vet...he has a ton of coaching experience...this should be second nature...the fact of the matter he even admitted to his mishap and that is very uncommon for thibs....when we get destroyed by a team shooting 3's he never says he needs to adj his coverage he just says the team needs to play better. So the fact he owned up to not calling a timeout...is the post game should show you how much of a screw up that is.

Players still win and lose you most games...not denying that. That is why I still think the team has a chance to be really good because the talent on the court is really really good and enjoying the run. However especially in close games vs good teams where one or two decisions or moves can cost you a game...everything on the margins matters and coaches should put the team in the best position to win and he didn't do that last night at the end of the game.

I sat behind Thibs last night.
He screamed for a timeout on the inbounds pass, the refs didn't give it to him.
The collapse was a fluke - a series of unfortunate events that sometimes happens.
Is there a tendency for it to happen to this team more then others? Not so sure about that.
Over the past few years, we've seen the end of game chaos go in our favor more then the other way.
Citing the stupidity of the last 10 minutes as a mark on Thibs is ridiculous.

[gavran]

I am checking if R guy comes on time at the first page of PG thread about the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 pick.

who tf is r-dawg?

He is the guy, who, if you never see post on this board, it means the Knicks are on a winning streak.

[ctorres]

If you're calling for Thibs' head, you're gonna love this

Watch on YouTube

[spree8]

no argument here - thibs fcked up.

and his players didn't pick him up... until OT.

Agreed a lot of them were certainly spent on the b2b....they played two very face pace teams that run up and down...so its certainly asking them a lot.

Brunson was Brunson late...he put us on his shoulders and carried us to a win.

tbh, i think this game is just another example of thibs making it harder for our team to win games.

i will say there might be something to thibs that isn't quantifiable that gets his teams to win. because those teams that had rose on the bench with the only other real good player being randle getting to the playoffs was impressive. is he a championship coach - idk. doc rivers is so sure anything is possible. but his defensive philosophy of letting teams shoot open 3s is bad and the mins are criminal. id prefer to upgrade there but i get the worry of getting someone who is worse. because i do believe these players love playing for thibs. and that is a huge part of coaching.

I think it’s a risk worth taking. The good thing is that Leon has at least shown he makes decisions with a lot of input from his whole team. So while it’ll ultimately be his decision, it’ll be one made with doing the proper due diligence and vetting with the help of several sharp basketball minds and strategists who have connections/relationships around the league.

The Kerr/Jackson- Warriors comparison can’t be close enough. This team is that talented, but there’s glaring weaknesses that cap our ceiling. I think we’ve gotten to that point where that change needs to be made here too.

Even if we won a title this year, it would be in spite of Thibs, not because of him imo. He just makes it unnecessarily harder on our players. They’d be better suited playing under someone who will maximize their talent and not put them in compromising situations. If we somehow got the wrong coach (highly unlikely imo, but possible I suppose) then find another one and keep moving forward.

It’s just better to rip the bandaid off sooner than later and not prolong the inevitable. There’s a reason for the divide amongst the fans. For the most part people on 1 side support Thibs and feel the players don’t fit his style like last years team did, and the other feel that he doesn’t fit the style these guys ought to be playing. The FO has to notice too. So something’s gotta give.

I respect the guy, and used to support him, but it’s time to just give him a promotion to the FO, the game has passed him by.

[mpharris36]

i just think we're picking on thibs here, tbh.

you posted a lot of swiss cheese holes lining up to blow that lead. I can agree that thibs is the coach and it's his job to prevent these things but I don't think that absolves the players of their fck up. sometimes times different aspects of the team fck up and others have to step up. in this case thibs fcked up and the players needed to step up. which is a kinda a microcosm of how this team is run but i'm going to let you pro-thibs and anti-thibs posters run with that.

Fouling up 6 prevents the open 3 from Niang

calling a timeout after the 3 allows you to put a more comfortable inbounder to pass it in and have the whole court to work with.

Its not piling on Thibs its his job. Yes precious shouldn't be giving up a 3 and KAT shouldn't panic and make that bad pass but the point of a coach is to do the exact thing to prevent those things.

Its the reason why there is such a thing as a coach and you just don't have 5 guys out there playing with no direction.

Thibs is a seasoned vet...he has a ton of coaching experience...this should be second nature...the fact of the matter he even admitted to his mishap and that is very uncommon for thibs....when we get destroyed by a team shooting 3's he never says he needs to adj his coverage he just says the team needs to play better. So the fact he owned up to not calling a timeout...is the post game should show you how much of a screw up that is.

Players still win and lose you most games...not denying that. That is why I still think the team has a chance to be really good because the talent on the court is really really good and enjoying the run. However especially in close games vs good teams where one or two decisions or moves can cost you a game...everything on the margins matters and coaches should put the team in the best position to win and he didn't do that last night at the end of the game.

I sat behind Thibs last night.
He screamed for a timeout on the inbounds pass, the refs didn't give it to him.
The collapse was a fluke - a series of unfortunate events that sometimes happens.
Is there a tendency for it to happen to this team more then others? Not so sure about that.
Over the past few years, we've seen the end of game chaos go in our favor more then the other way.
Citing the stupidity of the last 10 minutes as a mark on Thibs is ridiculous.

I have no doubt he yelled "timeout" but its a loud crowd and the officials job isn't to look at you...you have to be demonstrative about it. Same way Nick Nurse was crying about not getting a timeout when Maxey was fumbling around with the ball...the officials job is to watch the action...not to look at the coach...if you watch the replay of the steal thibs made no signal no movement towards the official. He probably just yelled it late...because he was indecisive...you can't be indecisive you have to be demonstrative and he even admitted that in the post game because he has been around long enough to know you have to demand a timeout late to get there attention not just ask for one.

And no it wasn't a fluke...that is how you don't learn from mistakes if you chalk that up to being a fluke. That was our own doing. There was nothing fluky about it...poor execution on the players and coach led to giving up 6 pts in less than 10 seconds.

[Guano]

who tf is r-dawg?

He is the guy, who, if you never see post on this board, it means the Knicks are on a winning streak.

gotcha - seen them catching a lot of sht lately and cant recall who it is

[Guano]

Agreed a lot of them were certainly spent on the b2b....they played two very face pace teams that run up and down...so its certainly asking them a lot.

Brunson was Brunson late...he put us on his shoulders and carried us to a win.

tbh, i think this game is just another example of thibs making it harder for our team to win games.

i will say there might be something to thibs that isn't quantifiable that gets his teams to win. because those teams that had rose on the bench with the only other real good player being randle getting to the playoffs was impressive. is he a championship coach - idk. doc rivers is so sure anything is possible. but his defensive philosophy of letting teams shoot open 3s is bad and the mins are criminal. id prefer to upgrade there but i get the worry of getting someone who is worse. because i do believe these players love playing for thibs. and that is a huge part of coaching.

I think it’s a risk worth taking. The good thing is that Leon has at least shown he makes decisions with a lot of input from his whole team. So while it’ll ultimately be his decision, it’ll be one made with doing the proper due diligence and vetting with the help of several sharp basketball minds and strategists who have connections/relationships around the league.

The Kerr/Jackson- Warriors comparison can’t be close enough. This team is that talented, but there’s glaring weaknesses that cap our ceiling. I think we’ve gotten to that point where that change needs to be made here too.

Even if we won a title this year, it would be in spite of Thibs, not because of him imo. He just makes it unnecessarily harder on our players. They’d be better suited playing under someone who will maximize their talent and not put them in compromising situations. If we somehow got the wrong coach (highly unlikely imo, but possible I suppose) then find another one and keep moving forward.

It’s just better to rip the bandaid off sooner than later and not prolong the inevitable. There’s a reason for the divide amongst the fans. For the most part people on 1 side support Thibs and feel the players don’t fit his style like last years team did, and the other feel that he doesn’t fit the style these guys ought to be playing. The FO has to notice too. So something’s gotta give.

I respect the guy, and used to support him, but it’s time to just give him a promotion to the FO, the game has passed him by.

I don't disagree with you.

I don't know if I agree with you, but I don't disagree.

[spree8]

who tf is r-dawg?

He is the guy, who, if you never see post on this board, it means the Knicks are on a winning streak.

gotcha - seen them catching a lot of sht lately and cant recall who it is

Also the same dude who reminds us 100 times in the game thread about the 5 picks we traded when Mikal has an off night

[Jalen Bluntson]

Wow. Denial is real around here. Moving goalposts and misrepresenting stats is also real. Facts don't matter at all. This place is a shyt show when it comes to actual basketball discussion. I'm out on all of it. I am here to enjoy my team with people who want to celebrate how far we have come from the depths of hell the last 25 years have been. The rest of it is a terrible waste of time.

[Guano]

He is the guy, who, if you never see post on this board, it means the Knicks are on a winning streak.

gotcha - seen them catching a lot of sht lately and cant recall who it is

Also the same dude who reminds us 100 times in the game thread about the 5 picks we traded when Mikal has an off night

a chanel or meLo burner

[KnixinSix]

From the boards...good perspective:


This is the best offensive Knicks team of my lifetime by far and I've been watching since the late 70's. I think Knicks fans are used to the few incarnations of good Knicks teams since then being able to lead with their D. This idea of leading with our offense is a foreign concept. The league has changed and its much more offensive. The team is what it is. I think at this point its hard to see them beating Boston or Cleveland. However the one variable that can change that is Mitch. It's a huge if, but if he can bring them Mitch stuff and last through the playoffs he is the one factor that can change that narrative.

[Guano]

Agreed a lot of them were certainly spent on the b2b....they played two very face pace teams that run up and down...so its certainly asking them a lot.

Brunson was Brunson late...he put us on his shoulders and carried us to a win.

tbh, i think this game is just another example of thibs making it harder for our team to win games.

i will say there might be something to thibs that isn't quantifiable that gets his teams to win. because those teams that had rose on the bench with the only other real good player being randle getting to the playoffs was impressive. is he a championship coach - idk. doc rivers is so sure anything is possible. but his defensive philosophy of letting teams shoot open 3s is bad and the mins are criminal. id prefer to upgrade there but i get the worry of getting someone who is worse. because i do believe these players love playing for thibs. and that is a huge part of coaching.

There is certainly something to players playing hard for him and him instilling a win at all cost mentality. The players love him and would run through a wall for him. All that is factual and I appreciate that. Its also while I'm not calling for him to be fired. But this roster is built to compete and has the talent to compete...a lot will be determined on how we perform in the post season. We are past the well we are winning regular season games so we are good.

Yes we can enjoy the success and I do...but that also doesn't mean I'm satisfied... this team and coach will be judged by there success in the post season.

Idk, i don't think it's a failure of a season if we get bounced in the 2nd in a really tough series against a good team. And even if we get bounced in the 2nd in embarrassing fashion ill be pissed in the moment. Hell imma be mad either way I still find a series win as a knocks fan a success. These are the knicks. I've never not known pain rooting for this team. Even the up years end in tragedy. So with that...

I think this season is a success right now. And more than that I'm enjoying watching this team. From game to game this is a fun team to watch. Which for us is a nice. Cause more often that not it hasn't been.