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Post#361 » by kNicksGmen » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:08 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:KAT is averaging 16 PPG and Mikal 13 PPG. They sht the bed against contenders.

on how many shots? here i'll give the full stats:

Brunson - 24.1 PPG on 46.6% on 18.5 FGA / 5.4 ast / 3.4 TO / 2.1 rebounds
Kat - 16.5 PPG on 49.5% on 12.6 FGA / 2.4 ast / 2.2 TO / 11.1 rebounds

Brunson is literally averaging 46% more points on 47% more field goal attempts. Brunson also has 52 FTA compared to 25 for Kat.

You need to watch the games. KAT can’t score on teams that switch. His bag is pretty limited against those teams. He’s just spamming spot up 3s or doing straight line drives. That’s exactly what he did against the Mavs in the WCF and it was awful.

i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.
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Post#362 » by HopelessKnick » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:11 pm

We'll probably not get much of an update on Brunson today or over the weekend. The team will keep it vague in oder to not get ****. Then in 3-4 weeks with the playoffs approaching you'll hear more details coming out about him trying to rehab etc.

This is the same playbook as with the Randle injury. Keep it "optimistic" and vague in the aftermath. Prevent a ****. And then like a snake announce the severity sometime down the line with the season close to an end.

The Julius Randle playbook. By now the team has taken X-Rays and an MRI. They know the extent of the injury. Them not announcing anything is not a good sign at all.
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Post#363 » by robillionaire » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:14 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:on how many shots? here i'll give the full stats:

Brunson - 24.1 PPG on 46.6% on 18.5 FGA / 5.4 ast / 3.4 TO / 2.1 rebounds
Kat - 16.5 PPG on 49.5% on 12.6 FGA / 2.4 ast / 2.2 TO / 11.1 rebounds

Brunson is literally averaging 46% more points on 47% more field goal attempts. Brunson also has 52 FTA compared to 25 for Kat.

You need to watch the games. KAT can’t score on teams that switch. His bag is pretty limited against those teams. He’s just spamming spot up 3s or doing straight line drives. That’s exactly what he did against the Mavs in the WCF and it was awful.

i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.


Well when Thibs is fired we are getting head coach Rick Brunson and I’m sure the offense down the stretch will continue to be his kid ISO’s while everyone watches

Brunson is good at it though but it freezes everyone else out. I don’t know if there’s a fix for this or really if we need one because most of the time it works. So it’s arguably the best strategy. But a game like last night, he walks off with an injury and it’s like ok next man up, who is that? because they’ve all just been watching Brunson the last 10 minutes or so and they’re likely all pretty cold by this point
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Post#364 » by robillionaire » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:15 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:We'll probably not get much of an update on Brunson today or over the weekend. The team will keep it vague in oder to not get ****. Then in 3-4 weeks with the playoffs approaching you'll hear more details coming out about him trying to rehab etc.

This is the same playbook as with the Randle injury. Keep it "optimistic" and vague in the aftermath. Prevent a ****. And then like a snake announce the severity sometime down the line with the season close to an end.

The Julius Randle playbook. By now the team has taken X-Rays and an MRI. They know the extent of the injury. Them not announcing anything is not a good sign at all.


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Post#365 » by kNicksGmen » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:19 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:You need to watch the games. KAT can’t score on teams that switch. His bag is pretty limited against those teams. He’s just spamming spot up 3s or doing straight line drives. That’s exactly what he did against the Mavs in the WCF and it was awful.

i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.


Well when Thibs is fired we are getting head coach Rick Brunson and I’m sure the offense down the stretch will continue to be his kid ISO’s while everyone watches

Brunson is good at it though but it freezes everyone else out. I don’t know if there’s a fix for this or really if we need one because most of the time it works. So it’s arguably the best strategy. But a game like last night, he walks off with an injury and it’s like ok next man up, who is that? because they’ve all just been watching Brunson the last 10 minutes or so and they’re likely all pretty cold by this point

yea it's a catch 22 for sure - brunson is elite at it and thibs believes in it. for that type of system/roster to work i think you need at least 1 other guy that can also iso at a high level or a true playmaking guard/wing. so you can at least mix it up here and there.

the offense looks completely different in the 2nd unit when payne/deuce are running and gunning and the ball is moving etc. not that it's some great system but it's a completely different brand of basketball.
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Post#366 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:22 pm

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Still was positive on the court and leads the team in plus minus. I’m not even going to look up to see if that’s true or not

No amount of these hokey stats or disingenuously trying to combine the mikilikina disaster with the towns trade is going to make anybody regret trading Randle ever you may as well just be shouting at a brick wall :lol:

You won’t admit KAT has been the worst defensive C in the league because he went to Kentucky. He’s been getting ripped apart by everyone around the league. Very sad man very sad.


Even if I were to play devils advocate and say he’s the worst defensive C in the league it wouldn’t change anything he still has a +303 plus minus which is highest on the team and still an all star starter so frankly I don’t care :lol:


You don’t care but everyone around the league does :lol:
Going back to those games against top-10 offenses, Towns has allowed opponents in those games to shoot 63% from the field -- ranking 346th out of 346 players to contest at least 50 shots against those teams, per ESPN Research.

On layups and dunks in those games, Towns is allowing 70% shooting -- and opponents are shooting 60% overall on layups and dunks against him, which is the worst mark of any player to contest at least 300 of them.
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Post#367 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:23 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:on how many shots? here i'll give the full stats:

Brunson - 24.1 PPG on 46.6% on 18.5 FGA / 5.4 ast / 3.4 TO / 2.1 rebounds
Kat - 16.5 PPG on 49.5% on 12.6 FGA / 2.4 ast / 2.2 TO / 11.1 rebounds

Brunson is literally averaging 46% more points on 47% more field goal attempts. Brunson also has 52 FTA compared to 25 for Kat.

You need to watch the games. KAT can’t score on teams that switch. His bag is pretty limited against those teams. He’s just spamming spot up 3s or doing straight line drives. That’s exactly what he did against the Mavs in the WCF and it was awful.

i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.

He’s getting double teamed in the post and he’s even struggling to seal his man down low. And when he does get the ball in the post he’s throwing it away. Not sure what you expect Thibs to do. Was it Thibs fault KAT struggled the same way in the WCF?
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Post#368 » by HopelessKnick » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:29 pm

robillionaire wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:We'll probably not get much of an update on Brunson today or over the weekend. The team will keep it vague in oder to not get ****. Then in 3-4 weeks with the playoffs approaching you'll hear more details coming out about him trying to rehab etc.

This is the same playbook as with the Randle injury. Keep it "optimistic" and vague in the aftermath. Prevent a ****. And then like a snake announce the severity sometime down the line with the season close to an end.

The Julius Randle playbook. By now the team has taken X-Rays and an MRI. They know the extent of the injury. Them not announcing anything is not a good sign at all.


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Let me refresh your memory--29th of january:

The news comes after Randle suffered the injury during Saturday's win over the Miami Heat. He underwent an MRI over the weekend and is awaiting multiple opinions on his shoulder. For now, the Knicks are optimistic that he won't need season-ending surgery, according to league sources.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5235661/2024/01/29/julius-randle-shoulder-injury-knicks/

Knicks optimistic Randle can avoid shoulder surgery: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8rwacb

On April 4th:
https://www.nba.com/news/knicks-julius-randle-out-for-2023-24-season-shoulder-injury
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Post#369 » by kNicksGmen » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:30 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:You need to watch the games. KAT can’t score on teams that switch. His bag is pretty limited against those teams. He’s just spamming spot up 3s or doing straight line drives. That’s exactly what he did against the Mavs in the WCF and it was awful.

i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.

He’s getting double teamed in the post and he’s even struggling to seal his man down low. And when he does get the ball in the post he’s throwing it away. Not sure what you expect Thibs to do. Was it Thibs fault KAT struggled the same way in the WCF?

finch is very comparable to thibs as far as offensive system. they also lack a playmaking PG/guard - similar to us.

brunson slow walks the ball up the court so by the time the 1st action is even ran there's sub 14 seconds on the clock

just compare how Kat plays in the 2nd unit - why is cam payne able to get Kat better shots than brunson?
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Post#370 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:33 pm

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kNicksGmen wrote:i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.

He’s getting double teamed in the post and he’s even struggling to seal his man down low. And when he does get the ball in the post he’s throwing it away. Not sure what you expect Thibs to do. Was it Thibs fault KAT struggled the same way in the WCF?

finch is very comparable to thibs as far as offensive system. they also lack a playmaking PG/guard - similar to us.

brunson slow walks the ball up the court so by the time the 1st action is even ran there's sub 14 seconds on the clock

just compare how Kat plays in the 2nd unit - why is cam payne able to get Kat better shots than brunson?

What type of shots though? And when cam is out there he’s usually going against bench units.
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Post#371 » by DaGawd » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:34 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
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kNicksGmen wrote:i watch all the games - Kat's lack of shots is largely an indictment on the coach but also brunson. nobody expected Kat to be taking people off the dribble in ISOs and hitting step backs. most knew what his game consisted of.

He’s getting double teamed in the post and he’s even struggling to seal his man down low. And when he does get the ball in the post he’s throwing it away. Not sure what you expect Thibs to do. Was it Thibs fault KAT struggled the same way in the WCF?

finch is very comparable to thibs as far as offensive system. they also lack a playmaking PG/guard - similar to us.

brunson slow walks the ball up the court so by the time the 1st action is even ran there's sub 14 seconds on the clock

just compare how Kat plays in the 2nd unit - why is cam payne able to get Kat better shots than brunson?

the sign of a guy who isn’t a real franchise player, needing to be spoon fed perfectly to succeed
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Post#372 » by Gravy » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:35 pm

Very winnable game. KAT and Mikal were terrible offensively, and the bench with only 14pts. Ducking the smoke in all this is Deuce with zero points.
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Post#373 » by robillionaire » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:39 pm

Gravy wrote:Very winnable game. KAT and Mikal were terrible offensively, and the bench with only 14pts. Ducking the smoke in all this is Deuce with zero points.


Hopefully Payne starts over him with Brunson missing a handful of games. I’ve seen Deuce at starting PG and it doesn’t work. Payne isn’t good either but he does have a few PG skills
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Post#374 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:41 pm

Gravy wrote:Very winnable game. KAT and Mikal were terrible offensively, and the bench with only 14pts. Ducking the smoke in all this is Deuce with zero points.


Deuce right now
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Post#375 » by robillionaire » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:42 pm

DaGawd wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:He’s getting double teamed in the post and he’s even struggling to seal his man down low. And when he does get the ball in the post he’s throwing it away. Not sure what you expect Thibs to do. Was it Thibs fault KAT struggled the same way in the WCF?

finch is very comparable to thibs as far as offensive system. they also lack a playmaking PG/guard - similar to us.

brunson slow walks the ball up the court so by the time the 1st action is even ran there's sub 14 seconds on the clock

just compare how Kat plays in the 2nd unit - why is cam payne able to get Kat better shots than brunson?

the sign of a guy who isn’t a real franchise player, needing to be spoon fed perfectly to succeed


We only played 1 game without Brunson this year and Towns was crazy aggressive and scored 31 pts in a win. Hopefully that’s the version we get going forward. And hopefully his knee and his mind are right.
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Post#376 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:42 pm

DaGawd wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:He’s getting double teamed in the post and he’s even struggling to seal his man down low. And when he does get the ball in the post he’s throwing it away. Not sure what you expect Thibs to do. Was it Thibs fault KAT struggled the same way in the WCF?

finch is very comparable to thibs as far as offensive system. they also lack a playmaking PG/guard - similar to us.

brunson slow walks the ball up the court so by the time the 1st action is even ran there's sub 14 seconds on the clock

just compare how Kat plays in the 2nd unit - why is cam payne able to get Kat better shots than brunson?

the sign of a guy who isn’t a real franchise player, needing to be spoon fed perfectly to succeed

Yep. KAT is a good player, but if he’s our 1B we’re not winning anything.
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Post#377 » by robillionaire » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:43 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:You won’t admit KAT has been the worst defensive C in the league because he went to Kentucky. He’s been getting ripped apart by everyone around the league. Very sad man very sad.


Even if I were to play devils advocate and say he’s the worst defensive C in the league it wouldn’t change anything he still has a +303 plus minus which is highest on the team and still an all star starter so frankly I don’t care :lol:


You don’t care but everyone around the league does :lol:
Going back to those games against top-10 offenses, Towns has allowed opponents in those games to shoot 63% from the field -- ranking 346th out of 346 players to contest at least 50 shots against those teams, per ESPN Research.

On layups and dunks in those games, Towns is allowing 70% shooting -- and opponents are shooting 60% overall on layups and dunks against him, which is the worst mark of any player to contest at least 300 of them.


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Post#378 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:45 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:Bridges will be the role player we’ve been looking for soon enough. I cannot understand everybody’s impatience with this roster. Bridges has a long history of being an absolute two-way force. Her, his role and usage are diminished. Let things fall into place. He isn’t even as bad as you all claim after looking at the boxscores. There s still aren’t many players in the league I’d rather put on Steph Curry, maybe nobody.

I don't think Mikal has any history of being a "two-way force".

He was a 3&D role player in Phoenix, their 4th option in their run to the Finals behind Book, CP3 and Ayton.

His role expanded in Brooklyn and he had a few good months when he got there but his game regressed to the mean and fell back down to Earth last season, his ppg even falling below 20.0 despite the Nets' overall lack of talent.

Worse, his 3-point shot and his defense declined significantly.

I don't think he's bad at all. He's an above-average role player who does nothing remarkably well. His best asset now is his switchability but I don't think it's even translating into meaningful defensive impact.

There's nothing forceful about his game or his impact on the court imo.

Like Cohen said on KFS, he's fine but you don't trade your entire draft capital for "fine".


He was on the NBA All Defensive First team in 2022. I guess they were all wrong. And he is still a very good defender, just go and re-watch the game against the Warriors, for example. It’s easy to discard that and point towards erratic shooting. But it’s not a consistent argument. The picks are likely to be very underwhelming and picks in general have lost value and have also become much easier to acquire, this is not 2010 anymore. Times have changed and switchable defenders that you can also trust with the ball in high-pressure situations are very rare. He is automatic from mid-range, and a great slasher. Decent shooter. I’ve expected more, but I’m glad we have him.

We live in 2025, not 2022.

His defense has declined considerably since. The way things were 3 years ago is irrelevant today. He hasn't made an All-NBA defensive team since.

He's no longer a great defender today. And his 3-point shot has fallen off. He doesn't provide much in terms of playmaking. His best shot is the most inefficient in basketball. He's a "great slasher"? How? He barely attacks the basket and he never gets to the FT line.

You assuming the picks will not amount to much and dismissing the risk completely ignores the fact that the NBA is a hugely volatile environment. You can't take anything for granted, just look at the Suns. It only takes a locker room fracture, a bad trade or an injury to Brunson to send the Knicks into a tailspin.

Mikal has good games and bad games. Some great plays every now and then. On the whole, he has been nothing more than above-average or as Cohen put it, "fine".

This is not worth all the draft capital we sent out.

I think you like the idea of him moreso than him as a player.
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Post#379 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:46 pm

We need the next game thread! Where's buzzardman with his in depth game threads! That's what the board needs right now!
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Post#380 » by NY2k1 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 3:47 pm

At least until Brunson comes back, it's time to see what Tyler Kolek can do as a starter.

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