knicks lose....i blame mpharris who blames thibs

[3toheadmelo]

Numbers are out and it pretty much confirms the eye test.

OG held Tatum to 37% FG.

Mikal held Tatum to 83% FG

Holy **** lmao

Well that confirms it....Thibs will have Mikal guard Tatum the entire second round if we get past the first.

Thibs actually switched OG back on him after Tatum was torching Mikal.

[Iron Mantis]

I dunno why minutes are an issue? That was a legit playoff level game that went to OT. As soon as Boston announced their actives the challenge was laid down.

Neither team was going to lean on the bench last night. As disappointing as the results were, at least the team fought to the end. That's all I ask.

They're not.

Just a tactic to distract from the fact Thibs lost us a winnable game.

[rajajackal]

Holy **** lmao

3 for 8 vs 5 for 6

A lot less shock value when you see that

Mikal sucked outside of the last minutes of the 4th when he woke up, and i aired my frustration with him in the GT, but it really sucks that people on here take joy every time a Knick player fails, specially KAT and Mikal. seriously, I don't understand it. It's like some folks pray for their downfall

i love karl. he gives it his all for this team and when it's on it's dominant. in the case of mikal, i had to unload the clip last night bc i've been patient as i can after originally thinking he'd fit like a glove due to his skillset (which i still don't dispute). i had no idea his personality was so disengaged and aloof. this is a team for bleeders and honestly he's given me the ick on that fundamental competitive level one too many times

[Enzo954]

Holy **** lmao

Well that confirms it....Thibs will have Mikal guard Tatum the entire second round if we get past the first.

Thibs actually switched OG back on him after Tatum was torching Mikal.

Thibs blows just like the majority of your posts defending that clown. In your perfect world, you would be roommates with Randle, Durant and Thibs snuggling by the fireplace sipping on hot chocolate together.

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[3toheadmelo]

Well that confirms it....Thibs will have Mikal guard Tatum the entire second round if we get past the first.

Thibs actually switched OG back on him after Tatum was torching Mikal.

Thibs blows just like the majority of your posts defending that clown. In your perfect world, you would be roommates with Randle, Durant and Thibs snuggling by the fireplace sipping on hot chocolate together.

@mods personal insults and derailing thread by mentioning ex Knick.

[MrDollarBills]

3 for 8 vs 5 for 6

A lot less shock value when you see that

Mikal sucked outside of the last minutes of the 4th when he woke up, and i aired my frustration with him in the GT, but it really sucks that people on here take joy every time a Knick player fails, specially KAT and Mikal. seriously, I don't understand it. It's like some folks pray for their downfall

Stop flip flopping. You been saying you want to get rid of Mikal.

I literally said last night in the GT that I wanted him gone tho

But while he is here I take no joy in his failures. That's all you melo. We see you rooting for his demise don't you love this team????

Be better sir. Be better!!!!

[MrDollarBills]

3 for 8 vs 5 for 6

A lot less shock value when you see that

Mikal sucked outside of the last minutes of the 4th when he woke up, and i aired my frustration with him in the GT, but it really sucks that people on here take joy every time a Knick player fails, specially KAT and Mikal. seriously, I don't understand it. It's like some folks pray for their downfall

i love karl. he gives it his all for this team and when it's on it's dominant. in the case of mikal, i had to unload the clip last night bc i've been patient as i can after originally thinking he'd fit like a glove due to his skillset (which i still don't dispute). i had no idea his personality was so disengaged and aloof. this is a team for bleeders and honestly he's given me the ick on that fundamental competitive level one too many times

I went off on Mikal last night too. He's not above reproach.

I'm just busting melo's chops

[MrDollarBills]

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Tom needs to retire man.

[MrDollarBills]

Will the minutes police say anything about Mazulla playing Tatum 48 minutes in a meaningless game at the end of the season where their second best player is injured and also played?

I wouldn't call it meaningless from the Celtics point of view. They wanted to make a statement since we're probably facing them in the 2nd round and they've owned us all season. True it wasn't a blow out and a close game, but they let us know that when the pressures on, they will out play us and out coach us. It was demoralizing!

I thought the game showed we could beat them. Instead of getting blown out previously we lost by 2 in overtime.

There is still a talent gap with the roster. Mazzulla is coaching on easy mode when he has so many great 3pt shooters. When fans say any of us could coach a NBA team thats a team like the Celtics. The last few minutes of the game and overtime was Tatum or KP shooting threes or a tough iso basket. Their stars were better than our stars which is usually what wins championships.

They have a better bench but our top 7 versus theirs should be a toss up. Last night was the first game where we looked like we were meant to stand in the same ring as them.

[Guano]

You keep belaboring this point in every post game thread the Knicks lose a close game but exactly what exotic sets did Mazzulla run at the end of the game that Thibs didn't run?

Was it the falling out of bounds 3 that Tatum took in an iso against KAT that he got bailed out on?

Or was it the last second ridiculous step back over the Knicks best defender by Tatum?

What was the magical set that Thibs couldn't possibly comprehend or run on those plays that gave Boston the edge?

They had Tatum taking their game winner we had jHart. Doesn't even have to be elaborate just better than stupid.

This is being willingly obtuse, and for what, you've watched us all season so you've had to see the handful of dumb things happen at the end of games this season that lead to questioning the coaching.

I think it's fair to get mad at Thibs for not fouling up 3. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for me but I do get being mad at that.

I don't think the team's philosophy down the stretch of close games is necessarily bad. Maybe a little more variety at times would be nice but it doesn't make sense to not have the ball in Brunson's hands most of the time. We have one of the best shot makers in the league on our team who is also a good passer. We saw it last night. When they blitzed him we got Mikal in a 4 on 3 situation multiple times which is a big win in those situations.

We're 18-10 in "clutch games" as defined by NBA.com. 4th best in the league. A lot of Thibs late game criticisms are pretty overblown IMO.

I get your original point too. Most playoff end game situations are 1v1. And we have 1 of the best in the leagues at creating in those situations. This could be a case of Brunson carrying thibs.

And twice last night we weren't able to even get the ball to him. And in one of those situations jHart was left open to get the ball and shoot a fade 3. He shouldn't have even been in the game.

I think some of those that defend thibs get a bad rap. He has done a lot here and doesn't get enough credit. I also think the players love thibs and he gets them to play hard. That said I think he makes foolish mistakes and doesn't always utilize his players to the best of their potential.

[ctorres]

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If I'm OG in that situation, I'd smack or hook Tatum's non-dribbling left arm for the foul. There has to be a way to do it where there is no way the ref can count it as a 3pt shooting foul.

[3toheadmelo]

Mikal sucked outside of the last minutes of the 4th when he woke up, and i aired my frustration with him in the GT, but it really sucks that people on here take joy every time a Knick player fails, specially KAT and Mikal. seriously, I don't understand it. It's like some folks pray for their downfall

Stop flip flopping. You been saying you want to get rid of Mikal.

I literally said last night in the GT that I wanted him gone tho

But while he is here I take no joy in his failures. That's all you melo. We see you rooting for his demise don't you love this team????

Be better sir. Be better!!!!

I give props when they deserve it. KAT played well outside of OT and I was glad to see him bully all the Celtics players.

Mikal on the other hand keeps disappearing against every single contender.

[MrDollarBills]

They had Tatum taking their game winner we had jHart. Doesn't even have to be elaborate just better than stupid.

This is being willingly obtuse, and for what, you've watched us all season so you've had to see the handful of dumb things happen at the end of games this season that lead to questioning the coaching.

I think it's fair to get mad at Thibs for not fouling up 3. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for me but I do get being mad at that.

I don't think the team's philosophy down the stretch of close games is necessarily bad. Maybe a little more variety at times would be nice but it doesn't make sense to not have the ball in Brunson's hands most of the time. We have one of the best shot makers in the league on our team who is also a good passer. We saw it last night. When they blitzed him we got Mikal in a 4 on 3 situation multiple times which is a big win in those situations.

We're 18-10 in "clutch games" as defined by NBA.com. 4th best in the league. A lot of Thibs late game criticisms are pretty overblown IMO.

I get your original point too. Most playoff end game situations are 1v1. And we have 1 of the best in the leagues at creating in those situations. This could be a case of Brunson carrying thibs.

And twice last night we weren't able to even get the ball to him. And in one of those situations jHart was left open to get the ball and shoot a fade 3. He shouldn't have even been in the game.

I think some of those that defend thibs get a bad rap. He has done a lot here and doesn't get enough credit. I also think the players love thibs and he gets them to play hard. That said I think he makes foolish mistakes and doesn't always utilize his players to the best of their potential.

This is literally my beef with Tom right here.

He's done an incredible job here. He should be lauded. But I think the game has passed him by and you stated what else needed to be stated.

[DOT]

it's been talked about since before the season began and at this point thibs dropped the ball by never making a move... but hart should not be starting nor playing 35+ minutes. he should be a hustle guy off the bench that plays 20-30 mins a game and occasionally closes when he's playing well and/or deuce isn't or matchup specific.

Here's the splits data for Hart:

20-29 minutes: 10/7/6 on 56/31/80, .674 TS

30-39 minutes: 14/9/6 on 54/36/78, .627 TS

40+ minutes: 15/11/7 on 49/27/82, .574 TS

Only 5 games this year under 30 minutes, 48 with 30-39, and 23 with 40+

I mean, it's just kinda blatantly obvious that Hart is much less effective with more minutes. He's also not very scheme versatile, as he has a +7.8 Net rating with KAT, compared to +0.3 with Mitch and -3.5 with Precious (aka our 2 non-shooting bigs).

[dakomish23]

The percentage of teammate field goals a player assisted on while they were on the floor

Knicks have the 3rd lowest ast% in the clutch

[GONYK]

Well that confirms it....Thibs will have Mikal guard Tatum the entire second round if we get past the first.

Thibs actually switched OG back on him after Tatum was torching Mikal.

Thibs blows just like the majority of your posts defending that clown. In your perfect world, you would be roommates with Randle, Durant and Thibs snuggling by the fireplace sipping on hot chocolate together.

This is not an acceptable post and certainly violates the baiting and derailment point of emphasis.

I think a break is warranted.

[JayTWill]

I watched the replay of the end of regulation play and the play was definitely for either Brunson or KAT as the main options. They doubled Brunson so he was taken out the play but KAT was wide open for the lob after Brunson set the screen on Porzingis. Mikal was either too scared to throw the pass or just didn’t see him but that was a game winning lob that Mikal could have thrown. Instead he settled for the broken play option which was Josh Hart.

You need high IQ players to win big and we just don’t have many of them. Josh Hart and Mikal both play like airheads

I don't know. That window was kind of small with KP trailing behind KAT. There was a moment I thought he might be able to lob it to KAT but he isn't exactly a high flyer where can just throw it anywhere. It would have needed to be a near perfect pass with KP's length. I'm not sure you want to risk turning the ball over and giving the ball back to the Celtics with a chance to win the game.

He would need to trust that KAT would break free and throw the pass before KAT actually got open.

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There’s only 2 seconds left in the game. With Brunson getting doubled you need to be looking at KAT. You live with the outcome but at least it’s going to your scorer and not Josh Hart. With 2 seconds left and your main option getting doubled, you will be taking a risk regardless so I rather see that pass to KAT than settling for that pass to Hart

It was 3 seconds left. The Celtics had multiple timeouts remaining. If he throws that ball early before even seeing if KP gets hung up on the Brunson screen or if White stays with Brunson that could have easily been a turnover. If it was under 1 second I can understand it since once the ball is touched the time will likely run out no matter what but if he throws that ball early and White, the best shot blocking guard in the league with great timing simply stays with KAT and intercepts the ball since you can't just throw it to the top of the square for KAT with his athleticism the Celtics would have still had time to win the game in regulation.

The same thing if KP doesn't get hung up on the screen for a split second. Mikal would essentially be throwing a lob to a better lob target in KP. For that to work the ball needed to be in the air before either of those things occurred with the team just hoping for the best results.

And Brunson wasn't doubled by White and KP. Holiday came over to take the passing lane away to Brunson late and by that time KP had recovered to KAT. Obviously the Celtics were going to try to take away options for the Knicks 2 best shot makers in Brunson and KAT so the question remains why even have Hart out there knowing he is not really a threat to score unless he has an open lane to the rim?

[Gravy]

I wouldn't call it meaningless from the Celtics point of view. They wanted to make a statement since we're probably facing them in the 2nd round and they've owned us all season. True it wasn't a blow out and a close game, but they let us know that when the pressures on, they will out play us and out coach us. It was demoralizing!

I thought the game showed we could beat them. Instead of getting blown out previously we lost by 2 in overtime.

There is still a talent gap with the roster. Mazzulla is coaching on easy mode when he has so many great 3pt shooters. When fans say any of us could coach a NBA team thats a team like the Celtics. The last few minutes of the game and overtime was Tatum or KP shooting threes or a tough iso basket. Their stars were better than our stars which is usually what wins championships.

They have a better bench but our top 7 versus theirs should be a toss up. Last night was the first game where we looked like we were meant to stand in the same ring as them.

Their starting lineup has great offensive and defensive players for each position and they have an MVP. Our starters have two bad defenders, Hart who is bad offensively and Mikal and OG who are mediocre offensively. Its not even close

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OG said he should have fouled...but there was complete confusion on the play. No one looking to foul, the coach not animated on the sideline to foul.

Clearly the plan was not to foul or they didn't discuss the situation in the timeout before we made it a 3pt game...if it was Thibs would have been more animated on the sideline. He was just standing and watching.

You simply can't let there best player walk the ball up the court with approx 10 seconds left and take a relatively clean look to tie the game.

Thibs could straight up murder someone on the sideline and some of you would be like...well did he deserve it?

Waiting for the analysis where the lack of a foul was Brunson's fault.