Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[bkknicks19]

you say a trade that makes sense and follow it by suggesting a trade involving melo? You realize that automatically makes no sense since the Knicks will not be trading melo. IF a melo trade occurred, it would be when he is at the tail end of his career much like Paul Pierce, not while he's still in his prime and a top 10 player in the league.

Melo could walk by the end of the season. What can knicks offer to make this roaster better? Absolutely nothing. Melo is the only chip management has. If Melo walks by the end of the season, the Knicks will do a repeat of the 2000s, basically become a lottery team.

At least, if they trade Melo, there is a possibility of moving Stoudemire

If they can trade Melo for Asik, Lin and Parson, this automatic put Knicks in the top 4 teams in the East. This will makes Knicks exciting to watch because you have a team that play team basketball again.

i understand the thought melo could leave at the end of the season thus you trade him before he gets the chance. you can also get struck by a car tomorrow, does that mean you wont go outside? the likely hood that melo leaves on his own is very slim. remember, he chose to be here, unlike a guy named dwight howard who did not choose to be part of the lakers. players that choose their teams dont usually wanna leave, since they, ya know, CHOSE them and all. you're free to make trade scenarios involving melo all you want, thats what the thread is for i suppose, but its highly unlikely he leaves which is why the knicks are not looking to trade him. denver KNEW he was gone, thats why that trade occured. dont you think the knicks would do the same thing if they felt he might actually leave? Just think this thread would be far more interesting to read if ppl would make trade scenarios that actually built around the lone piece the knicks have in melo whose almost guaranteed to stay rather than these savior scenarios where we get back guys like jeremy lin and surround him with crap and say "yeah, thats a playoff team that would be a tough out". nobody wants a "tough out" team, we all want a championship team, you aint gettin there unless you have a melo on your squad.

btw, the east is terrible this season, hence why you can say reasonably that a team of lin asik and parsons could be a top 4. last season, lin asik parsons on the rockets barely made top 8 in the west. this season is an abberation. it wont be that bad next season or even mid point of this season. what do you do when you find out you traded a superstar for role players and you fall out of playoff contention either this season or nxt? you trade lin, asik and parsons for a superstar? good luck

[cw3k]

i understand the thought melo could leave at the end of the season thus you trade him before he gets the chance. you can also get struck by a car tomorrow, does that mean you wont go outside? the likely hood that melo leaves on his own is very slim. remember, he chose to be here, unlike a guy named dwight howard who did not choose to be part of the lakers. players that choose their teams dont usually wanna leave, since they, ya know, CHOSE them and all. you're free to make trade scenarios involving melo all you want, thats what the thread is for i suppose, but its highly unlikely he leaves which is why the knicks are not looking to trade him. denver KNEW he was gone, thats why that trade occured. dont you think the knicks would do the same thing if they felt he might actually leave? Just think this thread would be far more interesting to read if ppl would make trade scenarios that actually built around the lone piece the knicks have in melo whose almost guaranteed to stay rather than these savior scenarios where we get back guys like jeremy lin and surround him with crap and say "yeah, thats a playoff team that would be a tough out". nobody wants a "tough out" team, we all want a championship team, you aint gettin there unless you have a melo on your squad.

btw, the east is terrible this season, hence why you can say reasonably that a team of lin asik and parsons could be a top 4. last season, lin asik parsons on the rockets barely made top 8 in the west. this season is an abberation. it wont be that bad next season or even mid point of this season. what do you do when you find out you traded a superstar for role players and you fall out of playoff contention either this season or nxt? you trade lin, asik and parsons for a superstar? good luck

Yes, the east is terrible. That's the only reason why I think Asik, Lin, Parson will able to get the knicks to top 4 seeds. Just look at the Atlantic division, 1 word: DISGUSTING.

One of the biggest problem with the Knicks is they have no asset. If Melo decided to walk end of the season, who would want to come to this dysfunctional team? There is no way that the Knicks can surround talents around Melo. There are simply too much problem. The problem start with Melo, who ball hog. Amare is a 25m suite. Barg has low basketball iq, as seen in Bucks game. JR low IQ. Felton eating too much donuts. Shumpert disgruntled. Chandler has good hand and can score in the paint, but unfortunately don't get too many touch in this system.

So you tell me if Melo does start, what can Knicks management do to improve this roaster?

[bkknicks19]

i understand the thought melo could leave at the end of the season thus you trade him before he gets the chance. you can also get struck by a car tomorrow, does that mean you wont go outside? the likely hood that melo leaves on his own is very slim. remember, he chose to be here, unlike a guy named dwight howard who did not choose to be part of the lakers. players that choose their teams dont usually wanna leave, since they, ya know, CHOSE them and all. you're free to make trade scenarios involving melo all you want, thats what the thread is for i suppose, but its highly unlikely he leaves which is why the knicks are not looking to trade him. denver KNEW he was gone, thats why that trade occured. dont you think the knicks would do the same thing if they felt he might actually leave? Just think this thread would be far more interesting to read if ppl would make trade scenarios that actually built around the lone piece the knicks have in melo whose almost guaranteed to stay rather than these savior scenarios where we get back guys like jeremy lin and surround him with crap and say "yeah, thats a playoff team that would be a tough out". nobody wants a "tough out" team, we all want a championship team, you aint gettin there unless you have a melo on your squad.

btw, the east is terrible this season, hence why you can say reasonably that a team of lin asik and parsons could be a top 4. last season, lin asik parsons on the rockets barely made top 8 in the west. this season is an abberation. it wont be that bad next season or even mid point of this season. what do you do when you find out you traded a superstar for role players and you fall out of playoff contention either this season or nxt? you trade lin, asik and parsons for a superstar? good luck

Yes, the east is terrible. That's the only reason why I think Asik, Lin, Parson will able to get the knicks to top 4 seeds. Just look at the Atlantic division, 1 word: DISGUSTING.

One of the biggest problem with the Knicks is they have no asset. If Melo decided to walk end of the season, who would want to come to this dysfunctional team? There is no way that the Knicks can surround talents around Melo. There are simply too much problem. The problem start with Melo, who ball hog. Amare is a 25m suite. Barg has low basketball iq, as seen in Bucks game. JR low IQ. Felton eating too much donuts. Shumpert disgruntled. Chandler has good hand and can score in the paint, but unfortunately don't get too many touch in this system.

So you tell me if Melo does start, what can Knicks management do to improve this roaster?

Well as you said, gettin lin, asik andor parsons is something to consider. However, you don't trade melo to get those guys, you trade other pieces to try and snag one or all three of those guys. Despite what you may think, the knicks have some assets and their names are iman shumpert, thjr, jr smith, amare stoudemire, ray felton, mwp. These are all names that have linked in trade rumors, so teams clearly see "some" value in these players. You do the best with what you can. That said, all i'm advocating is that knicks management do whatever it takes to get a second star player here and once that becomes impossible, than consider blowing up the team by trading melo. What a lot of ppl seem to miss here is that by trading melo, you're actively deciding to go back to the 2010 and prior years. The years where we sucked and never made the playoffs or got swept in the first round. Sure, its possoble this season a team built around lin, asik and parsons can make the playoffs but like asked before, what happens next season when the east is back to at least where it was last year? You really think those 3 players as you main guys can go head to head with the heat, pacers, bulls, nets, rebuilt celtics team that could be sporting rondo, an up and coming wizards team, etc? Thats gonna be extremely tough. Then everyone will be crying for the knicks to trade for a superstar since superstars win in this league. Why do all that when you already have a superstar in melo? Now if you believe that melo is not a superstar and a problem on this team, than as i said, keep proposing melo trades, you're in the right thread. Just would be far more interesting to build a team around melo than without him.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Amare + Iman + 2018 1st for Deron Williams.

[SuperflyKnick]

Trade No.1

NY- Randolf
MEM- Bargnani, Jr smith


Trade No.2

NY- Lowry
Tor- Felton, Chris Smith, 2018 1st rd Pk protected

Chandler, Martin
Randolf, Amare
Anthony, Metta
Shumpert, Hardaway Jr
Lowry, Pablo

[bkknicks19]

Trade No.1

NY- Randolf
MEM- Bargnani, Jr smith


Trade No.2

NY- Lowry
Tor- Felton, Chris Smith, 2018 1st rd Pk protected

Chandler, Martin
Randolf, Amare
Anthony, Metta
Shumpert, Hardaway Jr
Lowry, Pablo

I like this trade, but not sure it toronto gives up lowry for that. Also not sure lowry is the PG for the future. Would we still be able to trade him in the offseason? If so, i like this trade even more because we have better assets to trade for a superstar caliber player later.

[sweetcity]

Trade No.1

NY- Randolf
MEM- Bargnani, Jr smith


Trade No.2

NY- Lowry
Tor- Felton, Chris Smith, 2018 1st rd Pk protected

Chandler, Martin
Randolf, Amare
Anthony, Metta
Shumpert, Hardaway Jr
Lowry, Pablo

I like this trade, but not sure it toronto gives up lowry for that. Also not sure lowry is the PG for the future. Would we still be able to trade him in the offseason? If so, i like this trade even more because we have better assets to trade for a superstar caliber player later.

ZBO for Trashnani and JR Smith? You cant be serious

[sweetcity]

NYK: Kyle Lowry, Kris Humphries, Gerald Wallace
BOS: Amare Stoudemire, Chris Smith
TOR: Cole Aldrich, 2 2nd Rd Picks (via BOS)

Why for BOS: Amare's deal expires the year before Wallace's
Why for TOR: They accept 2 2nd rd picks for Lowry since they don't get stuck with a contract
Why for NYK: They push back the max cap space a year to salvage this and next season. Lowry provides an upgrade at point, Humphries depth at PF/C and his expiring contract could also be flipped. Wallace, although overpaid, could play the Jason Kidd role. Sure, he's lost a step but he's the high quality vet glue guy the team is lacking.

Chandler/Bargnani
Anthony/Martin/Humphries
Wallace/Hardaway/World Peace
Shumpert/Felton/JR
Lowry/Prigioni/Udrich

Lowry expires? so how would they be stuck with a contract?

[Boarder Patrol]

Amare + Iman + 2018 1st for Deron Williams.

I don't want to help the Nets get out of D-Will's toxic deal, even if we get out of one ourselves. Neither player is dependable to be a star (Amare) or stay on the court (both) and Amare expires sooner. Also, Williams doesn't make us contenders, so not sure why we should be dealing young assets for him.

JR Smith + Kenyon Martin for Kendrick Perkins?

[Scalabrine]

This one would hurt because they are some of my favorite Knicks and the guys that really give it 100% and play good hard nosed basketball but what do you guys think about this deal.

Tyson Chandler, Kenyon Martin, Beno Udrih
for
Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb

we could put Shumpert and Peace in the deal if they gave us Collison and Perry Jones as well, or maybe a future first...

I dont think Perkins is a good player at all but his contract is what is important in this trade, the fact that he could eat some minutes as a defensive Center could help us too in the absence of Chandler but that comes as a far second. The key for us is getting Jackson and Lamb, these are two guys that are very solid players but playing behind 2 of the best in the game. The Thunder have great talent evaluation and they have rarely missed on a rookie, so getting two guys from that system would really help our team get some more young potential and small contracts back.

The next move would be to unload JR Smith and Felton to a team in the same fashion. Smith could work in OKC but he doesnt fit for salary purposes but for now they stay and we still stay competitive and try to get some young cheap potential.

[Marty McFly]

This one would hurt because they are some of my favorite Knicks and the guys that really give it 100% and play good hard nosed basketball but what do you guys think about this deal.

Tyson Chandler, Kenyon Martin, Beno Udrih
for
Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb

we could put Shumpert and Peace in the deal if they gave us Collison and Perry Jones as well, or maybe a future first...

I dont think Perkins is a good player at all but his contract is what is important in this trade, the fact that he could eat some minutes as a defensive Center could help us too in the absence of Chandler but that comes as a far second. The key for us is getting Jackson and Lamb, these are two guys that are very solid players but playing behind 2 of the best in the game. The Thunder have great talent evaluation and they have rarely missed on a rookie, so getting two guys from that system would really help our team get some more young potential and small contracts back.

The next move would be to unload JR Smith and Felton to a team in the same fashion. Smith could work in OKC but he doesnt fit for salary purposes but for now they stay and we still stay competitive and try to get some young cheap potential.

i like that deal if the knicks are considering rebuilding. they're certainly some nice pieces with upside.

[shmeakone]

Magic go for the tank, Knicks get a consistent 2 guard:

Magic trade:
Aaron Afflalo

Knicks trade:
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton
Chris Smith
Future 1st round pick

[Boarder Patrol]

Magic go for the tank, Knicks get a consistent 2 guard:

Magic trade:
Aaron Afflalo

Knicks trade:
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton
Chris Smith
Future 1st round pick

I think we need to include Timmy. But I need to ask the question again:

Why would we give up young assets for a player who will not help us win a title?

[newyorker4ever]

If we can't get Rondo to come play with Melo then we trade Melo.

I think Rondo is exactly what Melo needs and i would slighty overpay for him if need be.

[livintoolive]

If Melo is being moved, other borderline assets need to be moved simultaneously in order to maximize value. The only such asset is Chandler.

I still believe that one of the teams we really should look at as a trade partner is Golden State. They need to balance out their line up in order to make that jump to the next level. I propose swapping Chandler+Shumpert for Bogut+Klay. This gives them huge defensive upgrades and a much better overall team. The second trade should involve sending Carmelo to LAC for DeAndre Jordan. One of the few teams that will take him as a rental; CP3/Melo/Blake is almost a guaranteed contract extension.

Knicks would have a young core of: Shumpert, Hardaway JR., Klay Thompson and DeAndre Jordan with the books empty after 2 years. At that point, re-sign the players that you want to keep and sign some FAs.

[Marty McFly]

If Melo is being moved, other borderline assets need to be moved simultaneously in order to maximize value. The only such asset is Chandler.

I still believe that one of the teams we really should look at as a trade partner is Golden State. They need to balance out their line up in order to make that jump to the next level. I propose swapping Chandler+Shumpert for Bogut+Klay. This gives them huge defensive upgrades and a much better overall team. The second trade should involve sending Carmelo to LAC for DeAndre Jordan. One of the few teams that will take him as a rental; CP3/Melo/Blake is almost a guaranteed contract extension.

Knicks would have a young core of: Shumpert, Hardaway JR., Klay Thompson and DeAndre Jordan with the books empty after 2 years. At that point, re-sign the players that you want to keep and sign some FAs.

deandre jordan for melo? seriously? that's it?

[Marty McFly]

aaron afflalo is a nice player. not good enough to give up a future first round pick. when will you guys learn? that's not just robbing peter to pay paul, your prostituting mary to pay paul too.

[Boarder Patrol]

Kenyon Martin for Jeff Withey

Pablo Prigioni for Matthew Dallevadova

Iman Shumpert for Gorgui Dieng

Udrih, cash for Allen Crabbe

4 nice young assets to us, at the expense of nice vets going to teams that need them to make the playoffs in a lot of cases. Are these doable?

[Greenie]

Shumpert
Udrih

for

Joseph
de Colo
2014 2nd rd pick

[Boarder Patrol]

Shumpert
Udrih

for

Joseph
de Colo
2014 2nd rd pick

No from both teams. Udrih totally flopped in the Spurs system IIRC and they have no desire for another SG (in addition to Green, Manu and Marco) especially one who doesn't work on his game or pass like they need in their system. I'm not high on Joseph, De Colo and that pick is probably 60.