Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[Greenie]

Shumpert
Udrih

for

Joseph
de Colo
2014 2nd rd pick

No from both teams. Udrih totally flopped in the Spurs system IIRC and they have no desire for another SG (in addition to Green, Manu and Marco) especially one who doesn't work on his game or pass like they need in their system. I'm not high on Joseph, De Colo and that pick is probably 60.

Shump can give them depth behind Kawhi. Udrih is a 3rd stringer.
Joseph is a defensive PG....think George Hill and de Colo is a poor mans Manu.
I would try and get cash and a future first as well.


Do this deal now and look to move JR by the deadline.

[Meat]

Magic go for the tank, Knicks get a consistent 2 guard:

Magic trade:
Aaron Afflalo

Knicks trade:
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton
Chris Smith
Future 1st round pick

I think we need to include Timmy. But I need to ask the question again:

Why would we give up young assets for a player who will not help us win a title?

aflack is 27? i think. we're not exactly trading young assets for 1 year rentals, he's good for another 6-7 years?

[Newyorknick94]

Can we pry mkg from the bobkittens?

[xNewYorkMadex]

Amare + Iman + 2018 1st for Deron Williams.

I don't want to help the Nets get out of D-Will's toxic deal, even if we get out of one ourselves. Neither player is dependable to be a star (Amare) or stay on the court (both) and Amare expires sooner. Also, Williams doesn't make us contenders, so not sure why we should be dealing young assets for him.

JR Smith + Kenyon Martin for Kendrick Perkins?

I disagree, if Deron can stay healthy I do believe he can make us into a contender. A core of Melo/Deron/Tyson is a great start. I think highly of Deron and ever since he has returned he has been putting up impressive numbers. We also will stray away from going iso-melo so many times and Jr maybe gets better shots with Deron at the PG position.

I dont think he is injury prone, guy only missed 4 games last season. 2011/12 was a forgetable yr for him. This yr he has missed about 50% of gms played, but we are only 30 games in. Deron isnt in the Amare "red flag" territory just yet.

[Rasho Brezec]

This one would hurt because they are some of my favorite Knicks and the guys that really give it 100% and play good hard nosed basketball but what do you guys think about this deal.

Tyson Chandler, Kenyon Martin, Beno Udrih
for
Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb

we could put Shumpert and Peace in the deal if they gave us Collison and Perry Jones as well, or maybe a future first...

I dont think Perkins is a good player at all but his contract is what is important in this trade, the fact that he could eat some minutes as a defensive Center could help us too in the absence of Chandler but that comes as a far second. The key for us is getting Jackson and Lamb, these are two guys that are very solid players but playing behind 2 of the best in the game. The Thunder have great talent evaluation and they have rarely missed on a rookie, so getting two guys from that system would really help our team get some more young potential and small contracts back.

The next move would be to unload JR Smith and Felton to a team in the same fashion. Smith could work in OKC but he doesnt fit for salary purposes but for now they stay and we still stay competitive and try to get some young cheap potential.

We're not getting both Jackson and Lamb for Tyson and have OKC pay lux tax. This would be more feasible for them from a value and financial standpoint:

Tyson + Shumpert + Aldrich + Martin for Perkins + Sefolosha + Adams + Thabeet

They only add a little more than 100k and remain under the luxury tax threshold. We get a future beast C that's quick enough to defend pick and rolls and strong enough to not get burned in the post. Those are rare to find.

[br7knicks]

Hear me out.


i don't know the situation in detroit, like what they're looking for in terms of players, but i have a thought. someone, quickly come and squash it whenever:


it seems like jsmoove is not working out over there, monroe will probably ask for more money than they would be willing to give him. it seems like they will lose monroe to FA after this season. they do, however, have drummond and seem to like him. would they be willing to take on chandler for the next two years to help groom drummond into their franchise's big man of the future?

either:

chandler, JR

for

monroe, stuckey, CV.


or, now hear me out


det out: stuckey, CV, monroe, Josh Smith
det in: chandler, JR smith, amare

nyk out: amare, chandler, jr smith
nyk in: okafor, CV, stuckey, monroe, suns draft pick

pho out: okafor, draft pick
pho in: josh smith


i know there will be, "why would these teams do this?" but what the hell, why not for each team?

knicks shed a lot of salary and get a pick (maybe multiple?) out of it. if monroe is worth giving a contract, then why not sign him. otherwise it helps with salary dump.

pho gets their other great player next to bledsoe. i know they said star, but i think josh smith is in a crowded frontcourt and needs a new place to be.

det gets rid of josh smith who isn't helping out in det. amare, if able to get on the court (:roll: i know) might work well with BJ. plus, chandler can help groom their franchise guy in drummond.

maybe?



as an alternative, knicks can take on josh smith and monroe can go to PHO. the part that seems most unlikely, for me, is trying to move amare. it seems like shump, THjr, or some sort of draft pick(s) has to be tagged along with him in order to move him


ahh, i remember seeing this article, which is where my idea for chandler going to DET came in. didn't realize monroe was RFA, not UFA. that changes a lot.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Extension


maybe as another alternative, send PHO draft pick to DET if they're going to take on amare

[shmeakone]

Can someone **** enlighten me why we haven't made a move yet? Are we waiting till there's like 30 games left?

[shmeakone]

Magic go for the tank, Knicks get a consistent 2 guard:

Magic trade:
Aaron Afflalo

Knicks trade:
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton
Chris Smith
Future 1st round pick

I think we need to include Timmy. But I need to ask the question again:

Why would we give up young assets for a player who will not help us win a title?

Young assets? Shumpert isn't even an asset anymore..

I wouldn't include Timmy btw.

[br7knicks]

just saw the thad trade request. would he come to ny? NYK are as bad, if not worse than PHILLY, but NY will never be in "tank" mode, as much as it may seem like it.

not sure if philly would deal with NYK, but maybe something can be worked out.


if philly wants to tank:


amare for thad, allen, and hawes.

if philly wants something in return, try to work PHO in.

phi in: amare, PHO 1st round pick
phi out: thad, hawes, allen

nyk in: hawes, allen, okafor (all expiring)
nyk out: amare, JR smith

pho in: thad, JR
pho out: okafor, 1st round pick


win-win-win

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBO1_XBrbzQ[/youtube]

[bkknicks19]

If we can't get Rondo to come play with Melo then we trade Melo.

I think Rondo is exactly what Melo needs and i would slighty overpay for him if need be.

I do somewhat agree with that, tho i think another pg the knicks should look at getting before trading melo is mike conley of the grizzlies. If we can't get either of those two, then maybe consider blowing it up. That said, how would you go about trading for rondo?

[Jay10]

Can someone **** enlighten me why we haven't made a move yet? Are we waiting till there's like 30 games left?

they think chandler's return will turn the team around.

[Boarder Patrol]

Magic go for the tank, Knicks get a consistent 2 guard:

Magic trade:
Aaron Afflalo

Knicks trade:
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton
Chris Smith
Future 1st round pick

I think we need to include Timmy. But I need to ask the question again:

Why would we give up young assets for a player who will not help us win a title?

Young assets? Shumpert isn't even an asset anymore..

I wouldn't include Timmy btw.

I feel like the Magic would have higher offers then. OKC could offer Jackson + filler + picks in the near future. So a prospect that's better than our prospect and a pick that's sooner than our pick, without having to take on Felton.

[Boarder Patrol]

Magic go for the tank, Knicks get a consistent 2 guard:

Magic trade:
Aaron Afflalo

Knicks trade:
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton
Chris Smith
Future 1st round pick

I think we need to include Timmy. But I need to ask the question again:

Why would we give up young assets for a player who will not help us win a title?

aflack is 27? i think. we're not exactly trading young assets for 1 year rentals, he's good for another 6-7 years?

When does he expire? This might be intriguing me after all, though I definitely think there are teams that can offer much better packages.

[pickaxe]

Get JR's shot back on, wait until he's hottest, then trade for Rondo. Include whatever need be.

[Marty McFly]

celtics got a queens ransom for the corpse of garnett and pierce. they'd expect nothing less than half of what they got for one of them. maybe more. you didn't expect to get melo for pennies, don't expect to rondo for pennies.

[GONYK]

Get JR's shot back on, wait until he's hottest, then trade for Rondo. Include whatever need be.

That's not the way a player's value works. Especially a known commodity like JR

[Thugger HBC]

celtics got a queens ransom for the corpse of garnett and pierce. they'd expect nothing less than half of what they got for one of them. maybe more. you didn't expect to get melo for pennies, don't expect to rondo for pennies.

i wouldnt exactly use the Nets as an example, they essentially traded Gerald for Damian Lillard.

[Marty McFly]

celtics got a queens ransom for the corpse of garnett and pierce. they'd expect nothing less than half of what they got for one of them. maybe more. you didn't expect to get melo for pennies, don't expect to rondo for pennies.

i wouldnt exactly use the Nets as an example, they essentially traded Gerald for Damian Lillard.

maybe not, but it's still the celtics. they hardly ever get a raw deal which is all we can offer.

[pickaxe]

Get JR's shot back on, wait until he's hottest, then trade for Rondo. Include whatever need be.

That's not the way a player's value works. Especially a known commodity like JR

Right, but who will trade for him if his shot looks broken completely. Since his surgery he has not proven he can even go on a hot streak, so streaky doesn't even apply...

I mean, if you want him to fall off the roster with no value, by all means..... that one team that's willing to take a chance on him is going to need a reason to be excited.

[Thugger HBC]

Get JR's shot back on, wait until he's hottest, then trade for Rondo. Include whatever need be.

That's not the way a player's value works. Especially a known commodity like JR

Right, but who will trade for him if his shot looks broken completely. Since his surgery he has not proven he can even go on a hot streak, so streaky doesn't even apply...

I mean, if you want him to fall off the roster with no value, by all means..... that one team that's willing to take a chance on him is going to need a reason to be excited.

I dont think he's referring to JR's shot, but actually the player he is.

Teams know to expect from JR...above average talent, severely below average mental.

He doesnt even have youth on his side anymore.