Derrick Rose to NY

[NoStatsGuy]

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Calm down... don't you see you're the only one to oppose the trade here?!

if it wont work out you'd have a high lottery pick and 70M to spend in 2017... Get over it... It's a win-win situation

I'm the only one out of the five people who seem to be awake right now to oppose the trade. Flip through the thread––I'm not alone. But even if I were, my opinions are mine alone and that's what makes debate possible.

I don't know why you're telling me to calm down, when I've been completely calm throughout this discussion. As I said in my last post, I'm at the agree-to-disagree part of the evening because the tone is getting hostile. I don't like the trade, and that's okay.

u know. you are right for the most part.

where you are wrong is this, you overvalue RoLo's contract and didnt compare holiday/grant (dif. player types, but somewhat same talent level).

The knicks didnt loose anything, except for RoLo's cool hair and personality, which is important no doubt. But the gamble on Rose is worth the trade off.

1. We dont loose any cap flexibillity
2. We finally have a Leadguard, which the FO so desperately wanted
3. We have "Starpower" to attract FA's (multiple reports say the same)
4. We exchanged young talent (grant-holiday)


Other than the really really good contract RoLo was on i dont think we lost anything. and i trade an average center for derrick rose any day of the week, especially as 1 year rental

[WesleyExChiFan]

Forgot the second paragraph:

All the accusations about a lack of commitment came, in my view, from a misunderstanding of what he was enduring in a near death experience of losing the things he loved the most, his ability to play basketball. I remember once time early in his career as he was becoming the best player. The team had lost and he had left the locker room early. I usually don’t do those things, but I caught up with him outside and said if he was the best player there was the obligation to be there when things went bad more than if they were good. He said he didn’t know. He then marched back in and did interviews until every reporter had asked every question. I saw him frequently leave the locker room and have reporters running late and ask them if they needed anything and then stop for another 10 minutes. He was the only star Bulls player since Jordan’s pre-1993 retirement who did media interviews before games. He retreated from media some the last few years as the condemnations and injuries grew, but he still remained accessible and friendly and never critical of anyone. I’ll miss that kid who only wanted to play the game.

[Triple C]

[NYKBaller]

And there goes New York media already got free agents scared like "damn he's on the backpage already"

[WesleyExChiFan]

Last D Rose story then he's all yours

http://blogs.bulls.com/2014/07/derrick-rose-ready-to-answer-back-on-the-basketball-court/

Yet, there was still time for another misjudgment, this time that Rose wouldn’t recruit players to help the team. It was not only inaccurate, but irresponsible. But it, nevertheless, became community acceptance in some corners. After all, doesn’t it elevate you if you can demean someone so rich and talented?

The truth is Rose was taking the best advice to be a leader of a championship team.

Rose never has been a natural, vocal leader, but someone more comfortable leading with his actions on the court. But the NBA ethic is to have the best players take charge. So Rose in his first seasons sought out advice from some of the top leaders in sports. One was the New York Yankees’ Derek Jeter. Jeter relayed that one thing you never do is recruit an outside player because its basically a statement to your teammates that you don’t want them. And then what happens if the player doesn’t come since virtually all recruiting attempts end in failure?

[Im Coming Home]

Last D Rose story then he's all yours

http://blogs.bulls.com/2014/07/derrick-rose-ready-to-answer-back-on-the-basketball-court/

Yet, there was still time for another misjudgment, this time that Rose wouldn’t recruit players to help the team. It was not only inaccurate, but irresponsible. But it, nevertheless, became community acceptance in some corners. After all, doesn’t it elevate you if you can demean someone so rich and talented?

The truth is Rose was taking the best advice to be a leader of a championship team.

Rose never has been a natural, vocal leader, but someone more comfortable leading with his actions on the court. But the NBA ethic is to have the best players take charge. So Rose in his first seasons sought out advice from some of the top leaders in sports. One was the New York Yankees’ Derek Jeter. Jeter relayed that one thing you never do is recruit an outside player because its basically a statement to your teammates that you don’t want them. And then what happens if the player doesn’t come since virtually all recruiting attempts end in failure?

Jeter of all people talking about recruiting outside players when his whole career was his owners getting outside players to help him win..

(Not saying he did it himself, but seems silly for Jeter to give this advice because he never had to worry about it himself)

[thebuzzardman]

Last D Rose story then he's all yours

http://blogs.bulls.com/2014/07/derrick-rose-ready-to-answer-back-on-the-basketball-court/

Yet, there was still time for another misjudgment, this time that Rose wouldn’t recruit players to help the team. It was not only inaccurate, but irresponsible. But it, nevertheless, became community acceptance in some corners. After all, doesn’t it elevate you if you can demean someone so rich and talented?

The truth is Rose was taking the best advice to be a leader of a championship team.

Rose never has been a natural, vocal leader, but someone more comfortable leading with his actions on the court. But the NBA ethic is to have the best players take charge. So Rose in his first seasons sought out advice from some of the top leaders in sports. One was the New York Yankees’ Derek Jeter. Jeter relayed that one thing you never do is recruit an outside player because its basically a statement to your teammates that you don’t want them. And then what happens if the player doesn’t come since virtually all recruiting attempts end in failure?

Jeter of all people talking about recruiting outside players when his whole career was his owners getting outside players to help him win..

(Not saying he did it himself, but seems silly for Jeter to give this advice because he never had to worry about it himself)

In effect, was Jeter not saying "let you owners/GM" worry about it?

Not sure how much recruiting by a player actually helps, outside the natural sort where they know and like each other, organically, not part of some press to sign.

[Triple C]

To those who may want to see the Knicks trade Carmelo & build immediately around Kristaps Porzingis, Phil Jackson brings up an interesting point. He says Porzingis, 20, isn't ready to take on the responsibility of being the face of a franchise -- a role that Carmelo fills in New York. "With Kristaps, I think he very much looks to Carmelo as kind of a leader... which I think is appropriate and I respect him for that. He's not ready to shoulder any burden on himself," Jackson said Thursday. "He's not a neophyte, but he's still very young in this game. A couple years under his belt and he'll start to understand his effect and how he can move forward. I think he's making progress this summer, doing the right thing." Jackson was responding to a question about the challenge of building a team around a 32-year-old Anthony and 20-year-old Porzingis. Construction a roster that makes sense for both Anthony and Porzingis is a delicate balance for Jackson.

[kej718]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnJcpg1zsE0[/youtube]

[j4remi]

Not sure if posted. But this is a really nice insight into Rose and his mindset.

https://thecycle.media/im-ready-for-new-york-c5fc419f98#.xvx0awr4g

My phone was ringing and ringing, but I had no idea. It was on silent. I was in the middle of an interview, cameras on me. I couldn’t make this up: I was talking about Chicago. The city, the basketball scene I came up in. How that city raised me, made me the man I am today.

A few minutes later I peeked at it and saw the notifications — missed calls, text messages, voicemails, all from my agent BJ. I called back and he told me: I was about to be traded to the New York Knicks.

“It might happen,” he said. That means it’s going to happen. He wanted me to be mentally prepared.

I had a feeling for a few weeks that a trade could be in the works. But I didn’t know for sure. There were rumors going around that I could be moved soon, and of course you hear that stuff and try to ignore it. That’s impossible. But I never let it really sink in.

The first thing I thought about was my son PJ. It’s hard enough to find time to see him during the season even when I’m in Chicago. Now I’ll be in New York, hours away. It’s a lot of miles. I know this is part of being an NBA player, though. We’ll find a way to make it work. I owe him that.

I’m so excited to move to New York City. I’ve never spent much time there—the most time I’ve been there is two or three days, and never really during the summer. Now it’ll be a solid seven months. Chicago’s a big city, but it’s kinda chill, not fast-paced like New York. Joakim Noah, who’s like a brother to me, is from Manhattan, and he’s told me a lot about it. I’m going to soak up as much knowledge about the city as I possibly can.

Chicago made me who I am. It’s tatted on my wrist. I was raised in my grandmother’s house on South Paulina Street in Englewood. Being drafted by the Bulls, becoming an All-Star and an MVP on the Bulls, helping the them make the playoffs — all of that was a dream come true. I’ll never forget it. I’ve carried Chicago with me everywhere I’ve gone, from around the country to all over the world. I always will.

I understand that this is a business and the Bulls have their plans, their own ideas with what direction they want to go with the team, but I’m gonna use this as motivation. I was with them for eight years and they let me go. There’s no hard feelings, no grudges. They’re trying to do what’s best for the team. I totally understand that. But I don’t think I would be wrong for using this as motivation.

After I hung up the phone with BJ, all sorts of emotions flowed through me. I was shocked. Anxious. I knew there was so much to handle right away, and it was all hitting me at once. Things I need to take care of — business, endorsements, where I’m going to live, who’s coming with me. I want to focus on nothing but basketball. I just want to let my game speak for itself. My voice will always be loudest on the court.

I’m 27 years old — there’s still so much ahead for me. I really believe this trade is a blessing. After all of the emotions passed through me, I started to realize how pumped I am for what comes next. I’m going to be playing alongside Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. This is an amazing opportunity. I can’t wait.

I’m ready for New York.

[j4remi]

The more I hear about Rose from Chi fans the more I feel like he and Melo have experienced really similar treatment from their home town fans. Both of these dudes lead by example instead of being vocal visible leaders; both dudes took on a bit of fan blame when stars didn't come running; both are supremely talented but victims of greater expectations; and both are fairly loved but have a loud contingent that takes issue with them as well (which is partially inspired by the media). Then there's the health issues and questions about whether their franchises are better off without them...

I could see these two motivating each other through shared experience. I think we could have two of the most talented cats in the league with that type of hunger.

[bigfnjoe96]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnJcpg1zsE0[/youtube]

If we get D-Rose at 54 seconds of this video..... Boy oh Boy

[CJackson]

And there goes New York media already got free agents scared like "damn he's on the backpage already"

That's more of a love tap than a put down

[Deeeez Knicks]

The more I hear about Rose from Chi fans the more I feel like he and Melo have experienced really similar treatment from their home town fans. Both of these dudes lead by example instead of being vocal visible leaders; both dudes took on a bit of fan blame when stars didn't come running; both are supremely talented but victims of greater expectations; and both are fairly loved but have a loud contingent that takes issue with them as well (which is partially inspired by the media). Then there's the health issues and questions about whether their franchises are better off without them...

I could see these two motivating each other through shared experience. I think we could have two of the most talented cats in the league with that type of hunger.

They do seem really similar that way and they are both at that point in there career where they just want to win. Adding someone like Noah would be perfect, not only for his defense, but to also have that vocal leader on the floor as well. He would bring a nice balance and glue for on and off the floor

[xNewYorkMadex]

Im still not a huge fan of this deal.

Not as bad as I originally thought though. In a way it reminds me of the Bargs deal because both of them were/are injury prone players. We were taking a chance on them and constantly saying IF, IF Bargs can stay healthy, IF Rose can stay healthy. Both were pretty terrible defenders. At least Rose had was a good defender when he had healthy knees, but there is no denying he was not a good defender this past season. We were trying to rationalize the deal by saying they needed a chance of scenery.

The main thing that separates this from the Bargs deal is the 1st round pick. I looked back at he Bargs trade thread, and damn did some of you guys take such a big fkn L defending that trade. Jesus.

But anyway, at least we still own our picks. But this isnt fantasy land. Injuries do happen, and Rose can easily take a step back and only play half a season. Rose may have had a good 30-35 game stretch, but he needs to double that if he wants to be considered an actual good PG again.

We still need to come through in free agency and sign some solid players.

[sourimosta]

Im still not a huge fan of this deal.

Not as bad as I originally thought though. In a way it reminds me of the Bargs deal because both of them were/are injury prone players. We were taking a chance on them and constantly saying IF, IF Bargs can stay healthy, IF Rose can stay healthy. Both were pretty terrible defenders. At least Rose had was a good defender when he had healthy knees, but there is no denying he was not a good defender this past season. We were trying to rationalize the deal by saying they needed a chance of scenery.

The main thing that separates this from the Bargs deal is the 1st round pick. I looked back at he Bargs trade thread, and damn did some of you guys take such a big fkn L defending that trade. Jesus.

But anyway, at least we still own our picks. But this isnt fantasy land. Injuries do happen, and Rose can easily take a step back and only play half a season. Rose may have had a good 30-35 game stretch, but he needs to double that if he wants to be considered an actual good PG again.

We still need to come through in free agency and sign some solid players.

The other big difference you are missing is that Rose is only around for 1 year. If he flames out like Bargs, we still win as we free up a ton of cap space to make a run at someone like Westbrook. Bargs contract was awful which is why everyone was shocked we needed to give up a 1st to get him.

[Worst_to_First]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chicagobullsbot/status/746534673933705218[/tweet]

[Bill Pidto]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chicagobullsbot/status/746534673933705218[/tweet]

He's gonna be a real hit with those fans.

[Bill Pidto]

Im still not a huge fan of this deal.

Not as bad as I originally thought though. In a way it reminds me of the Bargs deal because both of them were/are injury prone players. We were taking a chance on them and constantly saying IF, IF Bargs can stay healthy, IF Rose can stay healthy. Both were pretty terrible defenders. At least Rose had was a good defender when he had healthy knees, but there is no denying he was not a good defender this past season. We were trying to rationalize the deal by saying they needed a chance of scenery.

The main thing that separates this from the Bargs deal is the 1st round pick. I looked back at he Bargs trade thread, and damn did some of you guys take such a big fkn L defending that trade. Jesus.

But anyway, at least we still own our picks. But this isnt fantasy land. Injuries do happen, and Rose can easily take a step back and only play half a season. Rose may have had a good 30-35 game stretch, but he needs to double that if he wants to be considered an actual good PG again.

We still need to come through in free agency and sign some solid players.

Compare Rose to Bargnani one more time. Watch what happens...

[xNewYorkMadex]

Im still not a huge fan of this deal.

Not as bad as I originally thought though. In a way it reminds me of the Bargs deal because both of them were/are injury prone players. We were taking a chance on them and constantly saying IF, IF Bargs can stay healthy, IF Rose can stay healthy. Both were pretty terrible defenders. At least Rose had was a good defender when he had healthy knees, but there is no denying he was not a good defender this past season. We were trying to rationalize the deal by saying they needed a chance of scenery.

The main thing that separates this from the Bargs deal is the 1st round pick. I looked back at he Bargs trade thread, and damn did some of you guys take such a big fkn L defending that trade. Jesus.

But anyway, at least we still own our picks. But this isnt fantasy land. Injuries do happen, and Rose can easily take a step back and only play half a season. Rose may have had a good 30-35 game stretch, but he needs to double that if he wants to be considered an actual good PG again.

We still need to come through in free agency and sign some solid players.

Compare Rose to Bargnani one more time. Watch what happens...

Haha at least Rose had actual talent compared to Bargnani. I'll give Rose that.

Just the injury concerns and that what if scenarios that remind me of that deal.