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Post#3721 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:16 pm

Sorry if this had been posted already, I just saw it in foxsports.com's website(which is from yardbarker)...
Tyson Chandler and a 2nd round pick to OKC for Perry Jones III, Ryan Gomes, Kendrick Perkins and a 2014 first round pick.

The Knicks pick up an aging Perkins that is the meat part of the deal by way of the contract. This allows the deal to happen since Perkins is making 8 mill until 2015, which keeps the Knicks in line for a free agent bonanza in the summer of 15.

Perry Jones is the young talent I am taking a look at in this trade. He has the potential to be a very special player if he is given the proper time to mature into his own and he has a favorable contract for the next 3 years (1 mill, 1 mill, 2 mill).

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/artic ... c/15374260
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Post#3722 » by pickaxe » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:20 pm

....Melo probably wouldn't be accepted back ....the iso thing became such a heated topic here that's why Melo left.....just too much heat.

Danilo's not marginal, and the other three are very decent.

Remember, Phoenix is the team that desires a franchise player. Denver needs a highly accurate sg.
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Post#3723 » by pickaxe » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:30 pm

You guys thought about picking up Kyle Fesenko to shore up your frontcourt? He was a beast in the playoffs vs. Melo and gained a lot of Melo's respect. And he's huge.
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Post#3724 » by Marty McFly » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:38 pm

AirP. wrote:Sorry if this had been posted already, I just saw it in foxsports.com's website(which is from yardbarker)...
Tyson Chandler and a 2nd round pick to OKC for Perry Jones III, Ryan Gomes, Kendrick Perkins and a 2014 first round pick.

The Knicks pick up an aging Perkins that is the meat part of the deal by way of the contract. This allows the deal to happen since Perkins is making 8 mill until 2015, which keeps the Knicks in line for a free agent bonanza in the summer of 15.

Perry Jones is the young talent I am taking a look at in this trade. He has the potential to be a very special player if he is given the proper time to mature into his own and he has a favorable contract for the next 3 years (1 mill, 1 mill, 2 mill).

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/artic ... c/15374260


what 2014 pick? the thunder? that's essentially a 2nd rounder, that makes this thread essentially tyson for perry jones, which I'm not so sure that I'd do. I mean, jones is young with some ability, but tyson is a defensive anchor. that doesn't make sense for this team.
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Post#3725 » by Mars_Blackmon » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:56 pm

if we trade Tyson might as well trade Melo
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Post#3726 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:04 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
AirP. wrote:Sorry if this had been posted already, I just saw it in foxsports.com's website(which is from yardbarker)...
Tyson Chandler and a 2nd round pick to OKC for Perry Jones III, Ryan Gomes, Kendrick Perkins and a 2014 first round pick.

The Knicks pick up an aging Perkins that is the meat part of the deal by way of the contract. This allows the deal to happen since Perkins is making 8 mill until 2015, which keeps the Knicks in line for a free agent bonanza in the summer of 15.

Perry Jones is the young talent I am taking a look at in this trade. He has the potential to be a very special player if he is given the proper time to mature into his own and he has a favorable contract for the next 3 years (1 mill, 1 mill, 2 mill).

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/artic ... c/15374260


what 2014 pick? the thunder? that's essentially a 2nd rounder, that makes this thread essentially tyson for perry jones, which I'm not so sure that I'd do. I mean, jones is young with some ability, but tyson is a defensive anchor. that doesn't make sense for this team.


I'd do it in a heartbeat.. the first round of this years draft is an unusual one on where for me picks 15-30 have some really good players projected to be drafted during those picks. Jones III came into the league young and raw and is probably only a year or two away from finding out how good he can really be.
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Post#3727 » by Marty McFly » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:29 pm

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what 2014 pick? the thunder? that's essentially a 2nd rounder, that makes this thread essentially tyson for perry jones, which I'm not so sure that I'd do. I mean, jones is young with some ability, but tyson is a defensive anchor. that doesn't make sense for this team.


I'd do it in a heartbeat.. the first round of this years draft is an unusual one on where for me picks 15-30 have some really good players projected to be drafted during those picks. Jones III came into the league young and raw and is probably only a year or two away from finding out how good he can really be.


honestly, i wouldn't make any move involving tyson or melo unless it assures us a a high lottery pick as unlikely as it may seem. just thinking about this team with even lesser players then it already has with our pick in denver gives me anxiety.

if we can move melo and get that pick back, by all means. it seem logical to start the youth movement.
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Post#3728 » by Boarder Patrol » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:29 am

Honestly, I think Copeland could be had back from the Pacers for cheap. He's done nothing for them and they need to clear out the room for re-signing Stephenson. What could we offer? Beno + ??
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Post#3729 » by Buggin Out » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:32 am

Boarder Patrol wrote:Honestly, I think Copeland could be had back from the Pacers for cheap. He's done nothing for them and they need to clear out the room for re-signing Stephenson. What could we offer? Beno + ??

Why do you want Copeland back so much? What would he provide? He would just be in the same role as last year. 3PT shooting, no defense and no rebounding. He wouldn't even get minutes over Hardaway. I'm not even sure if we can trade for him since he just left our team.

We need either a PG or a defending and rebounding big, not more scorers.
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Post#3730 » by Buggin Out » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:39 am

Quick question if the Raptors don't want to take on Felton's salary couldn't we trade Prigioni, MWP, Beno and Shump for Lowry?

Works in the trade machine, even could swap Beno for Cole.
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Post#3731 » by Boarder Patrol » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:42 am

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Boarder Patrol wrote:Honestly, I think Copeland could be had back from the Pacers for cheap. He's done nothing for them and they need to clear out the room for re-signing Stephenson. What could we offer? Beno + ??

Why do you want Copeland back so much? What would he provide? He would just be in the same role as last year. 3PT shooting, no defense and no rebounding. He wouldn't even get minutes over Hardaway. I'm not even sure if we can trade for him since he just left our team.

We need either a PG or a defending and rebounding big, not more scorers.


Where do you get this idea that we have scorers? We have a gaping hole in literally every aspect of the game.

We have Melo, the scoring champion, who himself can't be relied on for efficient, consistent shooting. After that we have JR and Andrea, both of whom are inefficient chucks with zero IQ. Felton? No. Hardaway boasts strong potential/shooting but can't be relied upon for game to game scoring. Cope's scoring would help us and the way he scores - in the flow of the offense, would make us much smoother on offense. We don't miss any defense as his minutes would eat into JR and Andrea's the most, both of them are much worse defenders. A Prigs | Timmy | Cope | Melo | Tyson lineup could be one of the most effective in the league offensively, and not that bad defensively aside from the forwards.

Also, Cope has very little mileage and his game translates greatly into old age as it requires so little athleticism and speed. We could keep him for a cheap price as a nice role player for years.

Three point shooting led us to the second seed last year, why do we all want to stray from it so much?
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Post#3732 » by Buggin Out » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:54 am

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Boarder Patrol wrote:Honestly, I think Copeland could be had back from the Pacers for cheap. He's done nothing for them and they need to clear out the room for re-signing Stephenson. What could we offer? Beno + ??

Why do you want Copeland back so much? What would he provide? He would just be in the same role as last year. 3PT shooting, no defense and no rebounding. He wouldn't even get minutes over Hardaway. I'm not even sure if we can trade for him since he just left our team.

We need either a PG or a defending and rebounding big, not more scorers.


Where do you get this idea that we have scorers? We have a gaping hole in literally every aspect of the game.

We have Melo, the scoring champion, who himself can't be relied on for efficient, consistent shooting. After that we have JR and Andrea, both of whom are inefficient chucks with zero IQ. Felton? No. Hardaway boasts strong potential/shooting but can't be relied upon for game to game scoring. Cope's scoring would help us and the way he scores - in the flow of the offense, would make us much smoother on offense. We don't miss any defense as his minutes would eat into JR and Andrea's the most, both of them are much worse defenders. A Prigs | Timmy | Cope | Melo | Tyson lineup could be one of the most effective in the league offensively, and not that bad defensively aside from the forwards.

Also, Cope has very little mileage and his game translates greatly into old age as it requires so little athleticism and speed. We could keep him for a cheap price as a nice role player for years.

Three point shooting led us to the second seed last year, why do we all want to stray from it so much?

Copeland hasn't proven anything over any of the guys you mentioned. Just because he had a really good year last year with us doesn't mean we should go out of the way to sign someone who has basically become a 3PT shooting specialist now that he is with Indiana. If he was so good why didn't he get minutes last year and why isn't he in the rotation for an Indiana team that has a very weak bench right now? It's not just Woodson cause even Hardaway is getting more minutes than Cope did and he is also a rookie.

For how low IQ of a game JR and Andrea have, they have a better feel and understanding of the game than Copeland does. What has Cope done to show he has great IQ, he is a 3PT specialist, all he has to do is shoot and not turn the ball over. Also Hardaway is doing exactly what Cope was doing last year except he is actually playing in all our games and scoring during clutch moments and not just in garbage time. Look at their numbers they are exactly the same. Only Hardaway is a better defender and is quicker and can score in transition and is more versatility offensively.

Also JR is a way better defender than Cope. JR has proven to be a average to an above average defender while Cope is a pure negative. Bargnani is probably a better defender than Cope and definitely a better man to man defender.

I loved Cope last year, but it makes no sense to trade for a more versatile Novak who can't even get into the rotation of the Pacers. Also while I have no problem taking 3s, it only works if the people taking the shots are doing things on the other end of the court. You need 3&D players not just 3PT specialist.
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Post#3733 » by Boarder Patrol » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:28 am

Copeland hasn't proven anything over any of the guys you mentioned. Just because he had a really good year last year with us doesn't mean we should go out of the way to sign someone who has basically become a 3PT shooting specialist now that he is with Indiana.


Copeland has proved to be a reliable and consistent shooter, especially over JR and Andrea.

If he was so good why didn't he get minutes last year and why isn't he in the rotation for an Indiana team that has a very weak bench right now? It's not just Woodson cause even Hardaway is getting more minutes than Cope did and he is also a rookie.


Last year? I know you just pointed this out, but it was Woodson. It's not some "he doesn't play rookies" thing. He's always been ok with that actually. It's his rotations in general and part of that was not playing Cope. Last year he played Kidd too much, then he didn't give Shump time, etc. his rotations in general are terrible and you see that this year too with the ever-changing starting lineup. He can't crack the Pacers rotation because he doesn't defend well. In NYK that'd be acceptable cause nobody defends. In Indiana you are expected to do it and do it at an elite level unless you're a perfect fit and great talent like Scola, who they mask.

For how low IQ of a game JR and Andrea have, they have a better feel and understanding of the game than Copeland does. What has Cope done to show he has great IQ, he is a 3PT specialist, all he has to do is shoot and not turn the ball over.


Here I think you prove the opposite of what you're trying to. JR and Andrea lack basic understanding of basketball sometimes. I'd rather Cope accept a smaller role (offensive spark off the bench) than try to be a hero like the other two. He's a specialist, while the other two are active detractors to our team who's selfish play costs us games (more JR than Bargs)

Hardaway is doing exactly what Cope was doing last year except he is actually playing in all our games and scoring during clutch moments and not just in garbage time. Look at their numbers they are exactly the same. Only Hardaway is a better defender and is quicker and can score in transition and is more versatility offensively.


Cool, so why not have both?

[b]Also JR is a way better defender than Cope. JR has proven to be a average to an above average defender while Cope is a pure negative. Bargnani is probably a better defender than Cope and definitely a better man to man defender.[/b]

Nope, especially to the bolded. Last years pre-surgery, pre-paycheck, pre-collapse JR was a really nice defender. This year? He's lost a ton of lateral quickness and doesn't even try to stay with his man. JR has regressed amazingly as a defender while in limited minutes Cope has at least shown he understands schemes and can defend the post a bit man to man (we actually saw him working on this with Sheed and Camby last year)

Also while I have no problem taking 3s, it only works if the people taking the shots are doing things on the other end of the court. You need 3&D players not just 3PT specialist.


We don't have options. Two way players who can hit the three aren't gonna come by at this point. Cope at least improves our offense while not making our D any worse (as I mention, JR and Andrea have both been dreadful on D)
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Post#3734 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:36 am

Here's an idea:

Amare to the Celtics.

Hump, Shump, Felton, + Pick from the Celtics to the Rockets.

Lin, Asik, Wallace to NY.

Celtics get out of Wallace's contact a year early. Rockets move Lin, pickup a backup PG on a cheaper deal, an expiring, Shump who is still a good young player, and a late pick. Clear room to re-sign Parsons.

NY gets Lin back, a good center, and a backup to play for Melo to get his minutes under 40 a game.
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Post#3735 » by Mr Peanut » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:57 pm

Hey guys, thoughts on this trade? Am I way off-base?

NYK receives:
Greg Monroe
Rodney Stuckey (expiring)
Charlie Villanueva (expiring)
2014 2nd round pick

DET receives:
Carmelo Anthony (re-signed)

Why for New York: rather than risk losing Melo in FA, they acquire a young talented PF who can pair with Chandler in the frontcourt, Stuckey who has been playing some of the best ball of his career averaging an efficient 15 PPG off the bench and Villanueva who can be used as a stretch four or just sit on the bench and expire. Also a 2nd rounder in a loaded draft.

Why for Detroit: Smith at SF has been underwhelming so can move him back to his natural PF and add some desperately needed perimeter shooting with Melo. For Melo, he re-signs as he has the opportunity to create a dominant frontcourt with Drummond and Smith and Detroit can propel themselves into the top 3 in the East.
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Post#3736 » by Rasho Brezec » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:05 pm

Yes, you are. Either Drummond instead of Monroe or an unprotected 1st round pick and another swap option.
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Post#3737 » by AndrettiFamily » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:46 pm

i miss gallo chandler and mozgov and our 2014 pick

Would the nuggets GM be interested in a trade-back?
Shump+Melo+Felton+2018 Pick

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Gallo+Chandler+Mozgov+Knicks2014 Pick

If every body could get healthy:

Prigs/Murry/C.Smith
THJ/JR/Udrih
Gallo/Chandler/Metta
Bargs/KMart/Stat
Chandler/Mozgov/Aldrich

we're 15 deep and have a first round pick. then replace woody
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Post#3738 » by pickaxe » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:53 pm

Bill, to respond to the Lowry post -I'm saying your GM needs to be a Masai Ujiri and really sell whatever it takes to get a 1RP and come out unscathed. My overall point is Phoenix is the place where your roster players can make the most impact individually. Does Phoenix bite? Idk depends on how you sell it to them.

If you can think of a team where 1-3 of your problem childs will have more value......what are they? Phoenix has been specifically gearing up for this moment.

Look, I can't say denver roster wise is in any better of a position of performance .....both teams kind of need players to step up for anything to be possible. But even then, who will the trade partners be? Got to get ready now for that moment because when certain players get hot that might be the only chance to strike the iron (while it's hot) and pull the trigger on a trade.

Phoenix will be the perfect partner in 1 month.
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Post#3739 » by K_ick_God » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:28 pm

Shump, Felton, Bargs for Lin, Asik
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Post#3740 » by bkknicks19 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:31 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Shump, Felton, Bargs for Lin, Asik


where u sending lin and asik after? you wouldnt put asik and chandler in your starting line up i hope...

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