Knicks-Nuggets Post Game (Free Candy Strikes)

[Clyde_Style]

Go for the tank. Save the 2012 draft choice (which would also protect the 2016 swap).

We're between a rock and a hard place. We desperately need this pick, but a tank will also leave us with a collection of broken players on a team in salary cap hell. But we can't compete this year and that means it is already time to contemplate how to plan for the future as if that even a possibility with Dolan Inc.

[opeth04]

d'antoni is a mediocre coach because he is dependent on very particular players to implement his particular coaching philosophy. he was lucky to have an all-time great offensive creator in steve nash. that said, he was hired by walsh first who then subsequently brought in players to suit d'antoni. even during his 30 games of enjoying a roster suited to him without distraction i found his substitution patterns, his timeouts, and his utilization of players baffling and aggravating.

but now he has been put in an untenable position for a guy with limited leadership skills and with a team that is not suited to him at all. so if he deserves to be fired lets be clear that it isn't entirely his fault that the team is underachieving. and lets not forget to do the thought experiment: who is out there who is willing and able to harness the talent of this redundant roster replete with dumb players?

So choices are:

1) give up
2) look for someone else that can better utilize this team
3) trade this team

The only viable option is 2. So again...what is the argument?

the argument is to fire d'antoni IF AND ONLY IF there is someone better out there to replace him. and woodson ain't it. who do you recommend?

and if there isn't anyone, moocow, then why continue to call for his firing?

We need a coach, like Jerry Sloan, that won't be scared to tell Melo to "pass the damn ball son"

[moocow007]

d'antoni is a mediocre coach because he is dependent on very particular players to implement his particular coaching philosophy. he was lucky to have an all-time great offensive creator in steve nash. that said, he was hired by walsh first who then subsequently brought in players to suit d'antoni. even during his 30 games of enjoying a roster suited to him without distraction i found his substitution patterns, his timeouts, and his utilization of players baffling and aggravating.

but now he has been put in an untenable position for a guy with limited leadership skills and with a team that is not suited to him at all. so if he deserves to be fired lets be clear that it isn't entirely his fault that the team is underachieving. and lets not forget to do the thought experiment: who is out there who is willing and able to harness the talent of this redundant roster replete with dumb players?

So choices are:

1) give up
2) look for someone else that can better utilize this team
3) trade this team

The only viable option is 2. So again...what is the argument?

the argument is to fire d'antoni IF AND ONLY IF there is someone better out there to replace him. and woodson ain't it. who do you recommend?

and if there isn't anyone, moocow, then why continue to call for his firing?

We've already gone through a list. Several, several guys were mentioned already. The list can't be more than 5 or 6 pages back (considering how many posts this board gets). Plenty of young guys, assistants, etc that could be options.

As far as why to continue to call for his firing? Cause he stinks? Cause he's lost this team apparently? Cause this season still can be salvaged even if the gosh darn old Knicks are in Denver right now?

But wait...so we can't talk about firing D'Antoni because finding a replacement is impossible but yet we can talk about our crap players because?

[Knicks_Fan2]

I don't think everyone is focused on dantonis quote about why he didn't play walker much in the second half. Thats definitional insanity.

[god shammgod]

Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman 33m

Melo says may have to reevaluate whether to sit out games to rest aches.

[duetta]

Just found this in the Daily News comments section:

http://www.facebook.com/firemikedantoni

[Thugger HBC]

I don't think everyone is focused on dantonis quote about why he didn't play walker much in the second half. Thats definitional insanity.

I heard plain as day, he admitted he wasn't watching the game, and he's supposed to be the coach.

[moocow007]

I don't think everyone is focused on dantonis quote about why he didn't play walker much in the second half. Thats definitional insanity.

But his replacement could be worse.

[rammagen]

Y


You really think we will be this bad all season? Come on now. It's a rough stretch. It happens. I'm not giving up hope.

My issue is the coach suck s and he can not adapt to the players he has on the floor. the team plays stupid poor defense and very poor substitution patterns and poor rotations. That is an extension of the coach this ROUGH patch will con tinue unless Pringles a-either gets fired or b-grows a pair to sit one of the start till they start executing his plays.

[TrueWarrior]

Sham having a "bias" for a guy on our team is in no way similar to TkF continuing to talk about a EX PLAYER

Gallo is an ex player.. No longer a Knick.. A Nugget... How long must we constantly have to hear about a player that used to be on the team? 2 yrs? 3 yrs? Till hes traded from Nuggets? Till you find a new fav player

It's redic annoying to have to put up w... If you're a gallo fan, go be one in the nuggets forum..

Its funny to hear you say that, because you were worse than Sham was regarding Melo last year... while he was a Nugget. Hypocritical ya think? After every loss Pre Melo guys like you would chime into threads begging for Melo. Saying we needed a star. Gallo, Chandler & co. werent going to cut it. All that bootyful stuff. He wasnt a Knick yet thats all everybody talked about.

People are going to talk about Denver. People are going to talk about Gallo. You dont have to like it but its not going to stop until Melo shows he was worth it. That simple. Im over the trade actually. I never liked it but Im over it. That doesnt mean I will never mention it or Gallo again however. The Melo trade has a huge effect on everything. From our current state to our future. Its not going away. Accept it.

[NYKat]

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "Maybe I need to not take as many shots. Figure out ways to make other guys better. Maybe I should pass more. I'll take the blame."

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "These past 4/5 games, my shots are going in and out. Maybe I'm not getting the lift."

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "Its obvious I'm beat up, but it's not an excuse. I'm out there, doing my best. I'm kind of hard-headed at times. Maybe it's time...

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
for me to reevaluate as far as that goes."

nice to see him recognize this

These are great quotes as far as I'm concerned.

TKF try to tell me Melo is like Marbury/AI but you'd never hear those dudes talk like this...

Marbury, especially, he was ALWAYS defensive

melo is open to adjustment and thats the first step in him taking the next step

[Thugger HBC]

Just found this in the Daily News comments section:

http://www.facebook.com/firemikedantoni

I just hit the like button.

Thanks guy.

[diehardNYfan01]

Melo needs to rest the entire season, we need that top-5 pick, in a real bad way.

[qbiggz]

d'antoni is a mediocre coach because he is dependent on very particular players to implement his particular coaching philosophy. he was lucky to have an all-time great offensive creator in steve nash. that said, he was hired by walsh first who then subsequently brought in players to suit d'antoni. even during his 30 games of enjoying a roster suited to him without distraction i found his substitution patterns, his timeouts, and his utilization of players baffling and aggravating.

but now he has been put in an untenable position for a guy with limited leadership skills and with a team that is not suited to him at all. so if he deserves to be fired lets be clear that it isn't entirely his fault that the team is underachieving. and lets not forget to do the thought experiment: who is out there who is willing and able to harness the talent of this redundant roster replete with dumb players?

So choices are:

1) give up
2) look for someone else that can better utilize this team
3) trade this team

The only viable option is 2. So again...what is the argument?

the argument is to fire d'antoni IF AND ONLY IF there is someone better out there to replace him. and woodson ain't it. who do you recommend?

and if there isn't anyone, moocow, then why continue to call for his firing?

Sometimes all that is needed is a different voice. A change in philosophy, strategy. Would anyone accuse Frank Vogel of being an elite NBA coach? Yet the Pacers played much better once he took over for Jim O'Brien and he took them to the playoffs. And they're looking pretty decent this season.

[Gancio Cielo]

You guys gotta remember something. Gallo was playing the Knicks. In reality he's a 16 point scorer who gets most of his points from the line. And not in the superstar sense where you get 30 points a game and 10 from the line. He gets like 10 from the line and a few FGs. I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean. He is not better than Melo.

glue guy
play defense
unselfish
one day WILL make teammates better, as he already does on national team..

BTW My first post in this board:

- GALLO FAN READY TO TRADE HIM FOR MELO -

Not so sure now

[Clyde_Style]

Sham cant even say "Melo is on the Knicks now and Gallo isnt thats why" [/b]because all last year this dude was jabbing at Gallo and pitchin tents at the thought of Melo.

Everyone has biases and favorites. Who cares. Just admit it.

i was about to say that dammit. guess what though, i don't hate gallo. i'd take him back now. i hate the obsession with him here though. people are acting like this validates him tonight. i guess they're gonna make him an all-star now. oh wait, they're not. he's a good player but not a great one and never will be. that's all.

I kind of agree with that. Gallo will likely top out as a 20/6/4 type of player if he reaches his potential. A borderline All Star who is a very good all around player. He'll never be as talented a scorer as Melo but the question will be who will end up being the better team player, and thus the better winner. No doubt Gallo is the better ball mover, is more efficient, and gives more effort on D. Melo is just going to have to step it up no matter what to prove he was worth what we gave up for him.

Efficiency is pretty huge and often is what separates players because it has a doubling effect on the outcome of the game.

The efficient player gets theirs while allowing for others to contribute and that is a net/net result or a double positive.

An efficient player who is the focal point gets less results relative to their overall effort while taking away from the opportunity of the rest of the players to contribute and that is a double negative.

When the supporting players are not really good, the second scenario often kicks in as it has here, but that does not explain away the primary player's own inefficiency.

[TKF]

It is funny.. when gallo was here, his lack of development was his fault.. he wasn't assertive, he dissapeared, etc..... Not that dantoni misused him.... but it was all gallo..

now with amare and melo struggling.. It is fire dantoni.. he is coaching bad..

LOL.. wow

come on guys..

I hate D'Phoney but how is it his fault Gallo got hurt by Tractor Traylor(RIP) in a summer league game and it caused Gallo to shy away from contact until year 3?

Gallo needed to add muscle to survive in this league as he was nothing more than a 3 point specialist without it. Low and behold when he finally adds muscle, he can now go in and get involved/driving to the net rather than staying behind the line and not getting himself involved.

Gallo is Hedo Turk 2.0(Pre Toronto and doritos).....he was projected to be like that before coming into the league and will be that since arriving in the league.

NAH.. GALLO IS better now than hedo was at 23 by a wide margin.. Hedo is hack of a player.. lazy, a waste of talent over the years... comparing gallo to him is an insult..

[moocow007]

i was about to say that dammit. guess what though, i don't hate gallo. i'd take him back now. i hate the obsession with him here though. people are acting like this validates him tonight. i guess they're gonna make him an all-star now. oh wait, they're not. he's a good player but not a great one and never will be. that's all.

I kind of agree with that. Gallo will likely top out as a 20/6/4 type of player if he reaches his potential. A borderline All Star who is a very good all around player. He'll never be as talented a scorer as Melo but the question will be who will end up being the better team player, and thus the better winner. No doubt Gallo is the better ball mover, is more efficient, and gives more effort on D. Melo is just going to have to step it up no matter what to prove he was worth what we gave up for him.

Efficiency is pretty huge and often is what separates players because it has a doubling effect on the outcome of the game.

The efficient player gets theirs while allowing for others to contribute and that is a net/net result or a double positive.

An efficient player who is the focal point gets less results relative to their overall effort while taking away from the opportunity of the rest of the players to contribute and that is a double negative.

When the supporting players are not really good, the second scenario often kicks in as it has here, but that does not explain away the primary player's own inefficiency.

Yep.

[qbiggz]

Just found this in the Daily News comments section:

http://www.facebook.com/firemikedantoni

I just hit the like button.

Thanks guy.

Hmm, I thought i was in that same community, but apparently I'm in a different one that has a slightly stronger following. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Mike ... 8960069489

[claymobile22]

guys dont worry, we are getting JR Smith in March. He will be our savior.