All Lin talk here

[ibraheim718]

So 85% healthy (which is a totally subjective number.. how does someone come to the conclusion they're 85% healthy?) after knee surgery is where you draw the line and think a guy should play?

Hey I'm going by what he said, and I'm showing you of such.

If he was done, then don't say a word and be done.

I had no issue to him sitting out before the playoffs began, but once Lin threw the number out the perception changed.

Now that that's established, next topic.

Your perception changed... anyone judging the situation fairly would have stuck by the premise they stick by with all young players... come back when you're 100% healthy because your health in the future is more important than your health helping a team fight a futile battle.

So what happens with Shumpert then? He said he's only coming back when he's a 100% healthy... (which I agree with). What's different?

[Thugger HBC]

I'm telling you Lin should not have said anything....I was fine with that.

No different than any of the player, I prefer alot of them to close their mouth.

Now if you're saying your thinking about a player never changes, thats being a sheep.

[Jose7]

krok and king K >>>

[ibraheim718]

I'm telling you Lin should not have said anything....I was fine with that.

No different than any of the player, I prefer alot of them to close their mouth.

Now if you're saying your thinking about a player never changes, thats being a sheep.

Who cares what he said... was it the right move or the wrong move for him to play? Put yourself in his shoes and answer the question. Disregarding that I just posted two posts where you said you wouldn't have played.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm telling you Lin should not have said anything....I was fine with that.

No different than any of the player, I prefer alot of them to close their mouth.

Now if you're saying your thinking about a player never changes, thats being a sheep.

Who cares what he said... was it the right move or the wrong move for him to play? Put yourself in his shoes and answer the question. Disregarding that I just posted two posts where you said you wouldn't have played.

And I've explained those posts, the ones you quoted were before the playoffs....and they were based on Woodson saying Lin may done completely.

Once Lin opened his own mouth, my feelings changed about the situation, and clarifying made it worse.

Is that understood now?

[ibraheim718]

I'm telling you Lin should not have said anything....I was fine with that.

No different than any of the player, I prefer alot of them to close their mouth.

Now if you're saying your thinking about a player never changes, thats being a sheep.

Who cares what he said... was it the right move or the wrong move for him to play? Put yourself in his shoes and answer the question. Disregarding that I just posted two posts where you said you wouldn't have played.

And I've explained those posts, the ones you quoted were before the playoffs....and they were based on Woodson saying Lin may done completely.

Once Lin opened his own mouth, my feelings changed about the situation, and clarifying made it worse.

Is that understood now?

No it isn't!


Answer the question

I asked you about 5 of them of which zero were answered.

[Thugger HBC]

Who cares what he said... was it the right move or the wrong move for him to play? Put yourself in his shoes and answer the question. Disregarding that I just posted two posts where you said you wouldn't have played.

And I've explained those posts, the ones you quoted were before the playoffs....and they were based on Woodson saying Lin may done completely.

Once Lin opened his own mouth, my feelings changed about the situation, and clarifying made it worse.

Is that understood now?

No it isn't!


Answer the question

I asked you about 5 of them of which zero were answered.

Answer what?

[postcall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlVqLH9v2U&feature=player_embedded

From today

[ibraheim718]

Answer what?

Bro... they're right there with question marks at the end.

I'll settle for just one... if you were in Lin's situation would you have risked it and played in the Miami series?

[Thugger HBC]

Answer what?

Bro... they're right there with question marks at the end.

I'll settle for just one... if you were in Lin's situation would you have risked it and played in the Miami series?

I wouldn't miss the playoffs for the world....next question.

[ibraheim718]

Answer what?

Bro... they're right there with question marks at the end.

I'll settle for just one... if you were in Lin's situation would you have risked it and played in the Miami series?

I wouldn't miss the playoffs for the world....next question.

You're full of a heaping pile of basura....

Re: Rushing back Lin

Unread postby Thugger HBC on Wed May 02, 2012 12:37 pm
No, not worth it, for the fifth time.

Re: Possible Jeremy Lin Return

Unread postby Thugger HBC on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:33 pm
Don't do this to yourself, Lin won't be on the court this season.

Even in the second round, I would not risk it.

The hell out of here...

[GettinitDone]

HakeemKnicks, you have to understand experience means everything. You're the guy who keeps comparing rooks/ 2nd year player to established All Stars. Using your analogy, I can say:

- Hell, Eddie Jones was way better in than Kobe in 1996
- Nick Van Exel was way better than Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash in 1997-2000
- Amare only averaged 13ppg in 2002, he's not in same league as Duncan (but Stat put 38ppg against Duncan in playoffs 2 years later)
- VC was way better than Wade in 2003
- Dwight averaged only 12 & 10 in his rookie year, I'm taking Amare all day
- Hinrich is way better than Deron in 2005


Which are not wrong... but you have to understand using stats as your ONLY evaluation to compare players is lame. For example, Eddie Jones averaged twice as many points as rookie Kobe so you're absolutely taking Eddie Jones then right? Truth is the real talent evaluators could see Kobe's talent and would rather have Kobe going forward than Eddie Jones if they had to choose. Luckily for Lakers, you were not their GM because you'd have got rid of Kobe to make sure EJ got all the minutes... what the Lakers did was get rid of EJ to make sure Kobe got all minutes he needed to blossom.

All you're doing, using present stats as 100% evaluation, disregarding talent, skills, player's efficiency (in Lin's case, the athleticism, the feel for the game, the clutch gene, the natural leadership skill, the work ethic). Talent/ skills go beyond just stats, which is the whole point of evaluating talent in the first place.

You'd have chosen the players who are posting better numbers now (because that player happens to play longer and have more experience), but a few years later, found you kicking yourself for letting those true young superstars go. What you're doing now, my grandpa who has 0 knowledge of basketball can do, a caveman can do, just look at the better numbers and choose that player. But can you see talent which often has little to do with players' stats, ESPECIALLY 1st/ 2nd year players? Based on your posts so far, I don't think so.

[postcall]

He is like the beatles over there.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=224634

[Thugger HBC]

ibraheim718, I don't see what you're attempting to prove.

The quotes you have are before the playoffs, the ones I have are after the playoffs have begun and Lin made a statement.

If you don't feel a persons perception can can't change, that's your issue, and you've proved nothing.

I've showed you which was the topic from the start I did not like the 85% comment, which is why this whole debate got started.

[ibraheim718]

ibraheim718, I don't see what you're attempting to prove.

The quotes you have are before the playoffs, the ones I have are after the playoffs have begun and Lin made a statement.

If you don't feel a persons perception can can't change, that's your issue, and you've proved nothing.

I've showed you which was the topic from the start I did not like the 85% comment, which is why this whole debate got started.

I proved a guy who was so set in his convictions about a topic (at least you gave that perception in the threads I quoted) that he let an arbitrary, unquantifiable number a 23 yo kid made in reference to his health after surgery change his mind. (even though I know you're lying because I believe the first HBC not the second one)

Now when is it ok for Shumpert to come back from injury... 85% I assume by your standards?

[Thugger HBC]

ibraheim718, I don't see what you're attempting to prove.

The quotes you have are before the playoffs, the ones I have are after the playoffs have begun and Lin made a statement.

If you don't feel a persons perception can can't change, that's your issue, and you've proved nothing.

I've showed you which was the topic from the start I did not like the 85% comment, which is why this whole debate got started.

I proved a guy who was so set in his convictions about a topic (at least you gave that perception in the threads I quoted) that he let an arbitrary, unquantifiable number a 23 yo kid made in reference to his health after surgery change his mind.

Now when is it ok for Shumpert to come back from injury... 85% I assume by your standards?

Yes I took the number because that's what the player said with no coaxing, it's his own words, and yes I said fully I viewed him differently from that moment.

If you think I'm not supposed to have a different view, too bad for you.

as far as shump goes, shump has also gave a timetable somewhere around Hanuary, but he also said in the same breathe he is not coming back til he is 100.

that's what I'll hold him to as he has not changed his stance.

If he change his stance, my view may change.

[ibraheim718]

ibraheim718, I don't see what you're attempting to prove.

The quotes you have are before the playoffs, the ones I have are after the playoffs have begun and Lin made a statement.

If you don't feel a persons perception can can't change, that's your issue, and you've proved nothing.

I've showed you which was the topic from the start I did not like the 85% comment, which is why this whole debate got started.

I proved a guy who was so set in his convictions about a topic (at least you gave that perception in the threads I quoted) that he let an arbitrary, unquantifiable number a 23 yo kid made in reference to his health after surgery change his mind.

Now when is it ok for Shumpert to come back from injury... 85% I assume by your standards?

Yes I took the number because that's what the player said with no coaxing, it's his own words, and yes I said fully I viewed him differently from that moment.

If you think I'm not supposed to have a different view, too bad for you.

as far as shump goes, shump has also gave a timetable somewhere around Hanuary, but he also said in the same breathe he is not coming back til he is 100.

that's what I'll hold him to as he has not changed his stance.

If he change his stance, my view may change.

Oh god.. give me a break. No one with a rational mind would have put their career in jeopardy if they were in Lin's shoes. Maybe someone who has never played the game or never had a chance to earn money playing the game. 99.9% of the athletes in America would have done the same thing in his shoes. But hey great minds think alike.. in this case you and Stephen A. Smith.

[Red Vines]

They just showed the Toronto game-winner game on NBATV, the Dallas game just started. I'm enjoying watching these again, the first time around I was so focused on Lin that I didn't appreciate all the big plays by his teammates.

[Thugger HBC]

Oh god.. give me a break. No one with a rational mind would have put their career in jeopardy if they were in Lin's shoes. Maybe someone who has never played the game or never had a chance to earn money playing the game. 99.9% of the athletes in America would have done the same thing in his shoes. But hey great minds think alike.. in this case you and Stephen A. Smith.

Well let me quiz you now......

Do you believe Lin when he said he wanted to play, and the team and owner told him no?

[ibraheim718]

Oh god.. give me a break. No one with a rational mind would have put their career in jeopardy if they were in Lin's shoes. Maybe someone who has never played the game or never had a chance to earn money playing the game. 99.9% of the athletes in America would have done the same thing in his shoes. But hey great minds think alike.. in this case you and Stephen A. Smith.

Well let me quiz you now......

Do you believe Lin when he said he wanted to play, and the team and owner told him no?

I have no way of knowing that's true or not.

But at the time I could see an owner with a valuable asset saying that.