Around the nba part 7

[j4remi]

Felton as a starter>>Calderon as a starter
Felton off the bench>>>Calderon off the bench

Calderon would be a good fit here in limited minutes but over Ray? Oh hell nah.

Calderon paired with Felton would be a beast combo though. He does a lot of the good things that Kidd/Prigs do and he's not as likely to break down in big minutes.

that backcourt would also give up 456736346898021 points a game to opposing guards

Our current guards are not great defensively either outside of Shump and JR who've been SF's this season.

[Tron Carter]

Our current guards are not great defensively either outside of Shump and JR who've been SF's this season.

pablo has been solid even at 35. his impact has been immediate in that we aren't getting killed by the jameer nelsons and jeff teagues of the league.

calderon and felton guarding some of the faster point guards in the league makes me cringe. offensively though, he'd be a perfect fit because of his shooting.

[Rasho Brezec]

Pablo's defense at 35 > Calderon's defense at 25

[K_ick_God]

Pablo is really a good player. Love having this guy. Very smart, knocks down shots, pesky defender, high-quality backup.

He fills in some of the Lin hole.

[seren]

I hope we keep Pablo beyond this season. Especially with Kidd's retirement talk, it would be really hard to replace both of them.

[kakaman]

I always knew McHale was never the sharpest tool in the shed

[j4remi]

I hope we keep Pablo beyond this season. Especially with Kidd's retirement talk, it would be really hard to replace both of them.

I'd actually prefer to only keep one of 'em but I have a feeling both leave (retire or go back home)...I really would like to keep 'em one more year and bring in a young G for them to mentor.

[Rasho Brezec]

Pablo's in amazing physical shape for a guy his age. I hope all the rest of the geriatrics retire so Grunnie can't bring them back, but Pablo can stay. Kenyon, too.

[Fat Kat]

See what happens when you tell everyone on Twitter you won't be home all day and night...

According to NBC 6 miami, Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh’s house was robbed Wednesday night. The home, on 6396 North Bay Road, was empty at the time, due to the birthday party of the NBA Player.

Miami Beach Police is reporting that $340.000 worth of jewelry was taken.

Bosh bragged on Twitter earlier in the day that he would be attending a huge B-Day bash with friends and family, so maybe that helped tip-off the robbers to know when to make a move on the weirdo's house.

Moral of the story.. If you make that much money, maybe you wanna have some security guards guarding the property, especially when you previously bragged about the whole family leaving it unsecured for some extravagant party. Or maybe it was a jilted boyfriend ??? Juss Saying..

[K_ick_God]

Pablo's in amazing physical shape for a guy his age. I hope all the rest of the geriatrics retire so Grunnie can't bring them back, but Pablo can stay. Kenyon, too.

I feel pretty sure there's no way Kidd will retire.

He can still play and make key plays so I'd like him back.

All that money left and he loves the lifestyle and playing ball .... I'd say there's almost no way he retires.

[K_ick_God]

What's the word on whether Pablo is likely to go back?

We heard that "experience" thing as if it's one and done. I'm not sure about that.

[Knicks_Fan2]

What's the word on whether Pablo is likely to go back?

We heard that "experience" thing as if it's one and done. I'm not sure about that.

Seemed as though those rumors were coming out when he wasn't getting as many minutes. Now that he's starting, I doubt he goes back unless we make moves this offseason that clearly marginalize his minutes.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Defensively yes offensively hell no

He has a better overall impact than Calderon does. I don't think it's really debatable.

No he doesn't. Offensively he does not.

jose is the better ball handler better passer. less turnover prone has the higher TS% & efg% & you want to tell me that rubio has a greater overall impact? Jose is way more gifted offensively than rubio (rubio will never be as offensively talented as jose). defensively rubio is WAY better than Jose. So therefore there impact is pretty much identical.

Rubio runs an offense. Calderon pounds the ball. Also, rubios defensive advantage is far larger than calderons. Watch the games. Calderon does little to help his team win.

[GONYK]

He has a better overall impact than Calderon does. I don't think it's really debatable.

No he doesn't. Offensively he does not.

jose is the better ball handler better passer. less turnover prone has the higher TS% & efg% & you want to tell me that rubio has a greater overall impact? Jose is way more gifted offensively than rubio (rubio will never be as offensively talented as jose). defensively rubio is WAY better than Jose. So therefore there impact is pretty much identical.

Rubio runs an offense. Calderon pounds the ball. Also, rubios defensive advantage is far larger than calderons. Watch the games. Calderon does little to help his team win.

Go ask Toronto fans what they think of Calderon's "offensive impact"

[K_ick_God]

Jose C has always been one of the stranger players in the league as far as figuring out his game and impact. When he first came over, I thought he was really good. He clearly plays it too safe (why TO's for PG's can be an overrated statistic) and doesn't really have a floor general's game; he's limited in what he can do out there.

He looks, acts and feels like a PG but there's a strong case to be made that he's a 2-guard masquerading at the point. I've never seen a guy who looks more like a PG who maybe really isn't. He's a PG facade. Right down to a lot of assists and a great ATOR.

He dribbles well, he's small, can shoot, and he can drive inside, but he's not really going to run the offense in a way that's smart, despite racking up assists. I kind of feel a similar way about Jrue but Jrue is still young and can get better as a floor general, and he defends well.

I don't think he'd bring the intangibles that Kidd brings at all if Calderon came to the Knicks.

Despite really good numbers, it's almost hard to figure out what role Calderon should have to help a team. Maybe just 15 to 20 minutes where he can handle the ball but not be in the playmaking role.

All of this makes me sad because in some ways, we had the anti-Calderon. A guy who is quirky, awkward and likes to score BUT WHO IS most definitely a PG with lots of intangibles and that thing that makes a team and an offense go. Yeah it does all come back to him.

[SportsGuy8]

Or better yet, go ask Toronto fans what they think of the following statements regarding Calderon & Rubio:

jose is the better ball handler

better passer

less turnover prone

Sorry, but here it gets pretty clear that you're just not looking at the whole situation logically.

The reason why Calderon has less turnovers is because he rarely even tries doing any serious passes, most of his passes are safe simple ones that rarely even create anything for his teammate. A whole bunch of his assists come after he pounds the ball for a big portion of the possession (because he doesn't have the creativity and/or vision to put his teammates in nice spots, so he needs to wait and wait and wait for a chance to do one of his safe simple ones), then passes to one of his teams' scorers, who then shoots over the defender (and since very often there are only a couple seconds left, the guy just has to shoot), and/or makes a few individual moves to get open, after which Calderon only gets credited for an assist because of very loose NBA assist-awarding rules.

Rubio, on the other hand, is much more talented, a MUCH better passer, with a MUCH better vision, so he makes quick decisions, with plenty of time left on the clock. Also, unlike Calderon, he often makes tough passes right under the basket, which lead to either easy points or a foul (no assist credited). On the other hand, Calderon's passes rarely lead to fouls as his teammate mostly needs to pull up for a long jump-shot.

All-in-all, Calderon is basically the perfect example of an "empty stats" PG (but don't get me wrong, he's still a very solid PG who would make a great backup on a contender, or at least pretender), while Rubio's numbers have a lot more substance to them.

[SportsGuy8]

KnicksGod actually just made a nice description about Calderon. If Calderon had better athleticism and size, he would actually make a great SG, a SG with a very team-oriented game, without many mistakes.

As for you guys debating Lin vs. Rubio earlier in this thread, I don't even want to comment. My reactions would be best described by my above posted pics.
I love Lin, but I just don't think many of you appreciate all the little things Rubio does for his teams. I feel like he's never going to be fully appreciated by most people, because many of his qualities just can't be measured and you actually have to pay close attention again and again to see them (which is hard to do for anyone who doesn't watch Wolves' games regularly, and by regularly I mean almost every minute of every game, being focused strictly on Rubio; yes you basically have to STALK him during games, no matter where the ball is ).

[spaceballer]

What's the word on whether Pablo is likely to go back?

We heard that "experience" thing as if it's one and done. I'm not sure about that.

I think some of that may depend on his family and and how they're adjusting to life in NYC. Grunnie made the family pitch as part of his wooing package, finding a list of schools for Pablo's children and trying to sell him on living in NYC.

How old are his children? If one of them is graduating, then I see it as a more natural break point for them to return home. Or if they don't like it here because they have trouble adapting to speaking English (though coming from a Spanish-speaking culture shouldn't be much of a problem in NYC). But if the family likes it in NYC and there's a year or two of schooling before a graduation and they want to maintain continuity, then I'd see him consider staying on for another year as being a bit more likely.

Cultural adjustment, especially the language barrier, can be one reason a lot of foreigners decide not to come over, and I imagine it may be a factor on whether they stay here. It would be especially hard for an older player dragging a family along than for a young single guy just starting out. Whether his family is happy here or wants to go home can be a factor, especially when money is clearly not a factor since he took a paycut to come here for one last hurrah before retirement.

[Lord Commander]

So, according to WT, Christine's house was robbed:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... orth-$340K

After arriving to his home after celebrating his 29th birthday, Chris Bosh found he had been robbed of $340,000 worth of jewelry and purses, but his 2012 NBA Championship ring was left untouched, Miami Beach Police said Thursday.

Although Bosh's championship ring was not stolen, the thieves picked what they wanted from his jewelry box.

"We are leaning on the side of this being an inside job," said Miami Beach Police spokesman Bobby Hernandez.

I'm wagering that the purses were his, as well

[SportsGuy8]

What's the word on whether Pablo is likely to go back?

We heard that "experience" thing as if it's one and done. I'm not sure about that.

I think some of that may depend on his family and and how they're adjusting to life in NYC. Grunnie made the family pitch as part of his wooing package, finding a list of schools for Pablo's children and trying to sell him on living in NYC.

How old are his children? If one of them is graduating, then I see it as a more natural break point for them to return home. Or if they don't like it here because they have trouble adapting to speaking English (though coming from a Spanish-speaking culture shouldn't be much of a problem in NYC). But if the family likes it in NYC and there's a year or two of schooling before a graduation and they want to maintain continuity, then I'd see him consider staying on for another year as being a bit more likely.

Cultural adjustment, especially the language barrier, can be one reason a lot of foreigners decide not to come over, and I imagine it may be a factor on whether they stay here. It would be especially hard for an older player dragging a family along than for a young single guy just starting out. Whether his family is happy here or wants to go home can be a factor, especially when money is clearly not a factor since he took a paycut to come here for one last hurrah before retirement.

Pretty much.

I disagree about the pay-cut part, though. I doubt he's going to take such a pay-cut 2 seasons in a row, even if his family is totally comfortable in NYC. This season he basically gave money away just to experience the NBA. In a way, it's like as if he paid for a year-long luxurious cruise around elite parts of the US (please disregard the fact that he needs to work his ass off every day ). Now that that's going to be scratched off the list, money is probably going to play a larger role (still not AS important of a role, but bigger than this season).

Would the Knicks be willing to pay around 1.5 mil for Pablo's 2nd season? Don't forget about the ridic luxury tax, it's not what it used to be.