PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus

[mpharris36]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

but you aren't factually correct with everything you say.

why is exiling dolan a bad thing?

sorry ROLO was not a miss. He actually is a big hit. A good center on a reasonable contract with the cap going.

No mention of KP?

Cap and all our 1st round picks are all flexible.

calderon/chandler trade - not good
being stubborn with coaches and the system - not good

hardly a death sentence for what he took over.

[HerSports85]

It's Year 2 in the PJax era. Even he knows he can't make this a playoff team overnight. But Alan Hahn said it best: he needs to get major talent in free agency this summer, as well as drop his desire for a triangle-based coach.

I agree with this. I remember when the warriors turned the corner. They won about 20 games in 2011 and took off in 2012 after trading Monte Ellis and David Lee. The difference is that this was Mark Jackson second season. They had a solid coach in place. Curry was good, but they had 2 rookies and still won close to 50 games.

So this is where Phil should be measured. This off season is extremely important. He has 2 jobs to do this summer. Get a good quality guard and a head coach. I won't judge him on if he can or can't get Durant, that's unrealistic. But anything less than

1. Stretching Jose
2. Acquiring a starting PG
3. Hiring a proven coach as soon as the season is over ..
4. improving the bench

Is a failure for me.

No more excuses after this summer. He would have had 2 off seasons with enough cap space to make a difference, 3 seasons and a good draft to improve this team.

[Greenie]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

Why do people keep saying this? Who did we miss out on? Greg Monroe? That's who you are bitching over?

[Knicksfan1992]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

The ridiculous complaints people have for Phil is laughably embarassing... But, I'm sure you would find a way to complain even if we hadn't "struck out" on Greg Monroe...

[captvict]

Phil and this whole LA connection cast of clowns have to exit...Hopefully Dolan cleans house...Bring in Van Gundy asap

[JXL]

It's Year 2 in the PJax era. Even he knows he can't make this a playoff team overnight. But Alan Hahn said it best: he needs to get major talent in free agency this summer, as well as drop his desire for a triangle-based coach.

I agree with this. I remember when the warriors turned the corner. They won about 20 games in 2011 and took off in 2012 after trading Monte Ellis and David Lee. The difference is that this was Mark Jackson second season. They had a solid coach in place. Curry was good, but they had 2 rookies and still won close to 50 games.

So this is where Phil should be measured. This off season is extremely important. He has 2 jobs to do this summer. Get a good quality guard and a head coach. I won't judge him on if he can or can't get Durant, that's unrealistic. But anything less than

1. Stretching Jose
2. Acquiring a starting PG
3. Hiring a proven coach as soon as the season is over ..
4. improving the bench

Is a failure for me.

No more excuses after this summer. He would have had 2 off seasons with enough cap space to make a difference, 3 seasons and a good draft to improve this team.

RIGHT. ON. THE. NOSE.

[HerSports85]

How could people possibly think that this is worse than the Isaiah years? Really? Some of y'all must have forgotten where we came from. Our situation isn't great, but it can be improved, and it isn't hopeless.

Agreed.

People complaining about the Calderon trade? How about giving up 2 lottery picks, 2 2nd rounders, and $14 million expiring contract for the right to overpay Eddy Curry on a 6 year deal?

Upset that we "overpaid" RoLo, KOQ, or D-Will? Isiah signed BOTH Jared Jeffries and Jerome James to 5-year $30 million contracts.

Concerned about coaching instability? We had 4 different coaches under Isiah, and really 5 if you count Don Chaney, who was fired when Isiah took over.

Mad about losing? This years team is currently on pace to win as many games as the Knicks' best year under Isiah. Think about that for a second. The Knicks also had the highest payroll in the NBA under Isiah and twice won just 23 games.

And Isiah did all this while also setting us back years by giving away 1st round picks and consistently trading expiring contracts for longer bad contracts. He's rightfully considered one of the worst GMs in the history of sports.

This is no where near the Isaiah years. At all.
People are very forgetful. I think they forgot last year.

Isaiah was awful, ppl are tripping. but I'm still mad as hell about the Jose trade.. and will be until he's gone.

[prophet_of_rage]

, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

Can you explain to me why we're not talking about who we're likely to draft in June to complement KP? And please address who was responsible for the Knicks becoming CAA's butt boys.

Glen Grunwald.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Then you want to admit the 76ers route, which is what PJax wants to avoid.

You need talent to win in the NBA, and it really really helps when you can get it cheap through the draft. Overpaying for free agents never works unless you get a transcendent star.

We're not gonna win anything before 2020. It's time to face that fact and prepare for it in the best possible way.

I agree the NBA is all about talent, but the 76ers mentality is not the way to go. Losing breeds losers. Guys who don't play every facet of the game. I think now that we are out of a playoff race, you're seeing KP being less focused. Missed a few box outs yesterday and just settling/not being very aggressive.

Look at the top teams in the NBA. How many of them have tanked multiple years? Top 4 in the east (Cleveland, Toronto, Boston, and Miami) haven't successfully tanked. Cleveland tried to, but they wouldn't be even close to competing if LeBron didn't want back home. Top 4 in the west (Warriors, Spurs, Clippers and Thunder) mostly didn't. The Thunder is the only one who did successfully.

It's more about hitting on your draft picks and development. Losing often times doesn't bring you success. Look at the TWolves for example. You need to attempt to win.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan. The Thunder were horrible for multiple years which allowed them to get KD, Westbrook, and Harden. The same thing with the Clippers which allowed them to get Gordon and Griffin (with Gordon being the centerpiece of a trade for CP3). This also applies to the Warriors who were able to draft Curry, Klay, and Barnes. We need high level picks in order to get potentially high level players that will be cost controlled for many years.

KP being less focused lately is just part of being a rookie. He's never played this many games this quickly before. Did Curry, Klay, KD, Westbrook, Griffin etc not turn out just fine even tho they were losing early on in their careers? Did AD not turn into a top 5 player?

Teams like the Twolves and Kings are just stupid organizations. The Wolves had 2 chances to draft Curry...they didn't. The Kings could've drafted Klay and Lillard in consecutive drafts...instead they took Jimmer and Robinson. That's on them. Let's not act like every organization is as inept as they are. We went into the draft with the 4th pick and ended up with the 2nd best player in KP.

[NOOB77]

being stubborn with coaches and the system - not good

This will be Phil's downfall if he doesn't adapt. He is putting a boring product on the court and not winning games while doing it. That will cause the fans to revolt and then Dolan will get back involved. That will also cause Free Agents to pause while looking at joining the Knicks. If Phil doesn't change/adapt then he will be ran out of town fast.

[Knickerbock]

Didn't watch yesterday's game... I heard the Knicks rolled over after half time.. Heard Carmelo can't dunk and fell over.. I'm confused as to what happened down the stretch.. Something bout O'quin, Leonard, and Ferdette?

[prophet_of_rage]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

Why do people keep saying this? Who did we miss out on? Greg Monroe? That's who you are bitching over?

Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe ... one third of the league was in free agency that year and we came out of it with Lopez, no point guard and Afflalo. It was a bad return.

Here's the free agency list

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2015/

[Knickerbock]

being stubborn with coaches and the system - not good

This will be Phil's downfall if he doesn't adapt. He is putting a boring product on the court and not winning games while doing it. That will cause the fans to revolt and then Dolan will get back involved. That will also cause Free Agents to pause while looking at joining the Knicks. If Phil doesn't change/adapt then he will be ran out of town fast.

Yall need to stop blaming the triangle... It's a good system and not much different than other systems.. What's wrong with the Knicks is....

1. **No defensive intensity or consistence**

2. No point guard to set guys up for easy buckets

3. There is no leadership.. Play with no heart

[Sark]

Melo was a free agent. Phil got him.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Didn't watch yesterday's game... I heard the Knicks rolled over after half time.. Heard Carmelo can't dunk and fell over.. I'm confused as to what happened down the stretch.. Something bout O'quin, Leonard, and Ferdette?

Let me recap the game for u real quick. I'll start off by saying that this was a definite L before the game even started.

Lillard had 24 at halftime, and this was even tho he didn't return in the 2nd quarter until there was like 4 minutes remaining. McCollum only had like 4 at halftime. The Blazers were getting whatever they wanted just like every other team does. U know how it is...easy PnR's, wide open threes, some fast breaks, easy layups, and uncontested putbacks off of offensive rebounds.

In the 2nd half, Lillard decided to chill so McCollum went off for like 20 2nd half points. The crowd was booing and chanting for Jimmer as we were down damn near 20. Jimmer comes in, and tries to take a shot with less than a second remaining in the game so Myers Leonard fouls him on purpose and is like "why the hell are u shooting right now?"

You didn't miss much...just your average L for this team

[prophet_of_rage]

Melo was a free agent. Phil got him.

Meaningful free agents. Phil got him at a "discount" too.

[NOOB77]

being stubborn with coaches and the system - not good

This will be Phil's downfall if he doesn't adapt. He is putting a boring product on the court and not winning games while doing it. That will cause the fans to revolt and then Dolan will get back involved. That will also cause Free Agents to pause while looking at joining the Knicks. If Phil doesn't change/adapt then he will be ran out of town fast.

Yall need to stop blaming the triangle... It's a good system and not much different than other systems.. What's wrong with the Knicks is....

1. **No defensive intensity or consistence**

2. No point guard to set guys up for easy buckets

3. There is no leadership.. Play with no heart

The problem is Phil has not adapted his version of the triangle. Lots of other teams run a version of the triangle with modifications to it. Warriors, Spurs ect. Problem is we are running the original version of the triangle which is dated and needs to be adjusted.

[Knickerbock]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

Why do people keep saying this? Who did we miss out on? Greg Monroe? That's who you are bitching over?

Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe ... one third of the league was in free agency that year and we came out of it with Lopez, no point guard and Afflalo. It was a bad return.

Here's the free agency list

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2015/

Phil got solid guys with good character... He didn't over spend.. If you were in charge... You wouldhave Monroe at max and nobody else.. And be begging to have him traded now..

[Fat Kat]

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[Knickerbock]

This will be Phil's downfall if he doesn't adapt. He is putting a boring product on the court and not winning games while doing it. That will cause the fans to revolt and then Dolan will get back involved. That will also cause Free Agents to pause while looking at joining the Knicks. If Phil doesn't change/adapt then he will be ran out of town fast.

Yall need to stop blaming the triangle... It's a good system and not much different than other systems.. What's wrong with the Knicks is....

1. **No defensive intensity or consistence**

2. No point guard to set guys up for easy buckets

3. There is no leadership.. Play with no heart

No The problem is Phil has not adapted his version of the triangle. Lots of other teams run a version of the triangle with modifications to it. Warriors, Spurs ect. Problem is we are running the original version of the triangle which is dated and needs to be adjusted.

You argued my points marvelously... Great job