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Should Melo Be Traded

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Post#381 » by moocow007 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 10:20 pm

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no way we should take on a longer contract that is even bigger than Noah's that has no benefit to our team whatsoever - horrible trade - buyout is much better than that


If we can flip him, then it should be a 3way. Why take that risk? I still don't see Melo and Mike D together.


I'm a little late on the news, but lemme see if I understand this correctly. Is Melo open to a trade now? If so, did he purposely wait for the time when his trade value would net us the least it possibly could in return?

You mean Phil Jackson?

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Post#382 » by duetta » Sat Jul 1, 2017 10:40 pm

The key to any Anthony trade is not taking on crazy salaries - which Boston can facilitate if they fail to get Hayward. That's why we have to hope that Hayward stays put.
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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#383 » by Dr. Detfink » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:04 am

I can't see Boston wanting Melo and I can't see Melo agreeing to waive his no-trade to go to Boston. This guy just survived Phil Jackson, if anything he's INTENT on staying and collecting the remaining $53M.

The ONLY deal Melo will accept is getting a buy out so he can sign on with the Cavs for potatoes.

Once again, a player uses the Knicks like a whore.
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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#384 » by Billy Goat » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:45 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:I can't see Boston wanting Melo and I can't see Melo agreeing to waive his no-trade to go to Boston. This guy just survived Phil Jackson, if anything he's INTENT on staying and collecting the remaining $53M.

The ONLY deal Melo will accept is getting a buy out so he can sign on with the Cavs for potatoes.

Once again, a player uses the Knicks like a whore.


Boston? We serious here lol. Better chance he goes to Utah
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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#385 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:35 am

You could already see the difference in management. I think PJax 100% does the Anderson + filler deal.

Bad defender? Check.
Contract we'll regret down the line? Check.
Guy looks good in another system but will look terrible with us? Check.

We dodged a bullet. Thanks Mills. Off to a good start.
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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#386 » by Fury » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:36 am

dakomish23 wrote:You could already see the difference in management. I think PJax 100% does the Anderson + filler deal.

Bad defender? Check.
Contract we'll regret down the line? Check.
Guy looks good in another system but will look terrible with us? Check.

We dodged a bullet. Thanks Mills. Off to a good start.


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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#387 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:50 am

Fury wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:You could already see the difference in management. I think PJax 100% does the Anderson + filler deal.

Bad defender? Check.
Contract we'll regret down the line? Check.
Guy looks good in another system but will look terrible with us? Check.

We dodged a bullet. Thanks Mills. Off to a good start.


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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#388 » by Capn'O » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:03 am

god shammgod wrote:here is the rosen interview - about the 30 minute mark

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=19768943

says kp would definitely have left in 2 years if phil stayed (kp hates phil and you'll like it)
says he never consulted phil for an article. we just both see the game in a certain way. :lol:
says he hasn't talked to phil but phil would never advocate a buyout of melo
says jeff wants to run but melo can't run (so admitting jeff really didn't want to run the triangle)

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On that note - I just re-watched DOTHO 4 again. The dialogue between Phil/Rambis and Hornacek is sublime. I really thought Phil was going to back off coaching when they hired him because... just how did they think JH fusing with triangle was a good idea???



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Post#389 » by Icandoallthings » Sun Jul 2, 2017 7:22 am

dakomish23 wrote:You could already see the difference in management. I think PJax 100% does the Anderson + filler deal.

Bad defender? Check.
Contract we'll regret down the line? Check.
Guy looks good in another system but will look terrible with us? Check.

We dodged a bullet. Thanks Mills. Off to a good start.


0 percent chance Phil signs another power forward. Phil envisioned KP as the 4 he would much rather embarrass Melo publicly for two more seasons since it distracts us enough from Phil's own foibles.
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Post#390 » by Kurt Rambis » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:21 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:I can't see Boston wanting Melo and I can't see Melo agreeing to waive his no-trade to go to Boston. This guy just survived Phil Jackson, if anything he's INTENT on staying and collecting the remaining $53M.

The ONLY deal Melo will accept is getting a buy out so he can sign on with the Cavs for potatoes.

Once again, a player uses the Knicks like a whore.


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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#392 » by dakomish23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:53 pm

Icandoallthings wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:You could already see the difference in management. I think PJax 100% does the Anderson + filler deal.

Bad defender? Check.
Contract we'll regret down the line? Check.
Guy looks good in another system but will look terrible with us? Check.

We dodged a bullet. Thanks Mills. Off to a good start.


0 percent chance Phil signs another power forward. Phil envisioned KP as the 4 he would much rather embarrass Melo publicly for two more seasons since it distracts us enough from Phil's own foibles.


You mean the same Phil who had 4 centers on the roster last year not counting KP?

That guy a 100% would do the Anderson deal. He was desperate to dump Melo and he'd convince himself that Anderson could play well in triangle because he can hit a contested mid range shot in his sleep.

And this wasn't a signing
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Re: Official Melo Trade Thread: Knicks still looking for a deal after PJax's departure 

Post#393 » by nytonm » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:09 pm

I see no problem taking on Anderson for Melo if we're properly compensated with assets. I still don't get the obsession with cap space.
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Post#394 » by drekwins » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:13 pm

nytonm wrote:I see no problem taking on Anderson for Melo if we're properly compensated with assets. I still don't get the obsession with cap space.


You sound like Isiah. There's several benefits to cap space. You can sign players (which I'm sure you know), but just as powerful, you can take on my salary in trades. So let's say that Portland wants to rebuild a year from now. If we were near or over the cap, we'd have to make salaries match. If we're not, we can literally trade then a pick and theyd immediately save 50 million in salary and tax. It allows us to really put together attractive offers and makes it easier to facilitate a trade.

With that said, we are looking golden for the summer of 2019. Consider this a 2 year tank. Then, we have an AMAZING chance to turn things around in a big way.
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Post#395 » by taj2133 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:19 pm

like i said earlier dantoni hates melo will never coach him again doesn't matter if chris paul is in houston he doesn't want to coach melo. Melo got a couple choices stay here for a couple years or accept trade to better teams and open his list thats all can he do.
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Post#396 » by nytonm » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:55 pm

drekwins wrote:
nytonm wrote:I see no problem taking on Anderson for Melo if we're properly compensated with assets. I still don't get the obsession with cap space.


You sound like Isiah. There's several benefits to cap space. You can sign players (which I'm sure you know), but just as powerful, you can take on my salary in trades. So let's say that Portland wants to rebuild a year from now. If we were near or over the cap, we'd have to make salaries match. If we're not, we can literally trade then a pick and theyd immediately save 50 million in salary and tax. It allows us to really put together attractive offers and makes it easier to facilitate a trade.

With that said, we are looking golden for the summer of 2019. Consider this a 2 year tank. Then, we have an AMAZING chance to turn things around in a big way.


First of all were not signing anyone, how this free agency period has played out so far should have made that clear. The Knicks are toxic af and not in a position to attract any free agents for a few years. Second doing the kind of trade you're talking about with Portland would be a possibility but something like that may never materialize, however the assets we could acquire by taking on Anderson would be definite.
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Post#397 » by drekwins » Sun Jul 2, 2017 7:07 pm

nytonm wrote:
drekwins wrote:
nytonm wrote:I see no problem taking on Anderson for Melo if we're properly compensated with assets. I still don't get the obsession with cap space.


You sound like Isiah. There's several benefits to cap space. You can sign players (which I'm sure you know), but just as powerful, you can take on my salary in trades. So let's say that Portland wants to rebuild a year from now. If we were near or over the cap, we'd have to make salaries match. If we're not, we can literally trade then a pick and theyd immediately save 50 million in salary and tax. It allows us to really put together attractive offers and makes it easier to facilitate a trade.

With that said, we are looking golden for the summer of 2019. Consider this a 2 year tank. Then, we have an AMAZING chance to turn things around in a big way.


First of all were not signing anyone, how this free agency period has played out so far should have made that clear. The Knicks are toxic af and not in a position to attract any free agents for a few years. Second doing the kind of trade you're talking about with Portland would be a possibility but something like that may never materialize, however the assets we could acquire by taking on Anderson would be definite.


Portland was just an example... There are a ton of situations like that. Paul George, Jimmy Butler, etc. were just traded that way... Minnesota's and OKC's cap room made the deal easier. Rubio to Utah was also facilitated by Utah's cap space. What we have consistently seen is that the FA market causes teams to overpay for mediocre talent. Monroe, Parsons, Noah, Mahinimi, Mozgov and so many other examples. Bad contracts kill teams long-term. People don't like it but to take on Anderson for 20 mill per long term is ludicrous. What does that accomplish? I'd rather retain trade flexibility, keep free agency open as a option (not pinning our hopes and dreams on it) but be very stingy with it, build through the draft and turn anyone valuable into future trade assets. The summer of 2019 is our chance to do what Minny did this year. We really don't have many options before then that would help us in any material way. However, there are a lot of ways that would hurt us.

Some people here want to throw random pieces of sh*t together as we go and call it gold. It doesn't work that way. Everything has to be strategic... EVERYTHING. That's what Houston is currently doing, Minny did, Philly is doing, etc. It doesn't just randomly happen for these teams. They don't just wake up a month before free agency or the draft, etc. and are like: "woopdie doo we're going to have cap space, a draft pick, etc." They know what they're going for 2 years in advance. These teams are being run my mathematicians and accountants. Knowing the cap, having a plan for it and working around it is the single most important thing in the NBA today. If a team isn't doing it, they can still get lucky but they will fall behind. Look at Cleveland. They have no flexibility whatsoever and they're going to lose all of the big 3 because of it very soon.
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Post#398 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jul 2, 2017 7:11 pm

Jstarks3 wrote:melo for a top 59 protected 2nd round pick.


You're kind of using my joke without attribution but that's okay.
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Post#399 » by nytonm » Sun Jul 2, 2017 7:18 pm

drekwins wrote:
nytonm wrote:
drekwins wrote:
You sound like Isiah. There's several benefits to cap space. You can sign players (which I'm sure you know), but just as powerful, you can take on my salary in trades. So let's say that Portland wants to rebuild a year from now. If we were near or over the cap, we'd have to make salaries match. If we're not, we can literally trade then a pick and theyd immediately save 50 million in salary and tax. It allows us to really put together attractive offers and makes it easier to facilitate a trade.

With that said, we are looking golden for the summer of 2019. Consider this a 2 year tank. Then, we have an AMAZING chance to turn things around in a big way.


First of all were not signing anyone, how this free agency period has played out so far should have made that clear. The Knicks are toxic af and not in a position to attract any free agents for a few years. Second doing the kind of trade you're talking about with Portland would be a possibility but something like that may never materialize, however the assets we could acquire by taking on Anderson would be definite.


Portland was just an example... There are a ton of situations like that. Paul George, Jimmy Butler, etc. were just traded that way... Minnesota's and OKC's cap room made the deal easier. Rubio to Utah was also facilitated by Utah's cap space. What we have consistently seen is that the FA market causes teams to overpay for mediocre talent. Monroe, Parsons, Noah, Mahinimi, Mozgov and so many other examples. Bad contracts kill teams long-term. People don't like it but to take on Anderson for 20 mill per long term is ludicrous. What does that accomplish? I'd rather retain trade flexibility, keep free agency open as a option (not pinning our hopes and dreams on it) but be very stingy with it, build through the draft and turn anyone valuable into future trade assets. The summer of 2019 is our chance to do what Minny did this year. We really don't have many options before then that would help us in any material way. However, there are a lot of ways that would hurt us.


All of those examples are still just possibilities. If we could get good assets from Houston for taking on Anderson we would actually have them, not the possibility of making a deal for them later. Plus if we took on Anderson and move Oquinn and Lee we would still be well under the cap in the summer of 2019 and have 40 million in expiring contracts to work with during that season.
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Post#400 » by drekwins » Sun Jul 2, 2017 7:23 pm

nytonm wrote:
drekwins wrote:
nytonm wrote:
First of all were not signing anyone, how this free agency period has played out so far should have made that clear. The Knicks are toxic af and not in a position to attract any free agents for a few years. Second doing the kind of trade you're talking about with Portland would be a possibility but something like that may never materialize, however the assets we could acquire by taking on Anderson would be definite.


Portland was just an example... There are a ton of situations like that. Paul George, Jimmy Butler, etc. were just traded that way... Minnesota's and OKC's cap room made the deal easier. Rubio to Utah was also facilitated by Utah's cap space. What we have consistently seen is that the FA market causes teams to overpay for mediocre talent. Monroe, Parsons, Noah, Mahinimi, Mozgov and so many other examples. Bad contracts kill teams long-term. People don't like it but to take on Anderson for 20 mill per long term is ludicrous. What does that accomplish? I'd rather retain trade flexibility, keep free agency open as a option (not pinning our hopes and dreams on it) but be very stingy with it, build through the draft and turn anyone valuable into future trade assets. The summer of 2019 is our chance to do what Minny did this year. We really don't have many options before then that would help us in any material way. However, there are a lot of ways that would hurt us.


All of those examples are still just possibilities. If we could get good assets from Houston for taking on Anderson we would actually have them, not the possibility of making a deal for them later. Plus if we took on Anderson and move Oquinn and Lee we would still be well under the cap in the summer of 2019 and have 40 million in expiring contracts to work with during that season.


Wait, everything is only a possibility... Both of us being alive 3 minutes from now is only a possibility that is less than 100%. Anderson falling over a curb and tearing his ankle is a possibility. Everything in the future is only a possibility. That aspect of your argument might be the worst thing I have ever heard. Secondly, why would another team want to take on an expiring contract (that they have to pay), when they could just have the actually asset that they want and not pay? Lastly, I'm trying to understand why you would actually want Anderson. Do you think he makes our team better? If so, then you're arguing for a worse draft pick. I just don't get it.

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