PG Thread: Excellent loss

[shtolky]

It’s all context, as I said before, KK projects to be a 3/4th option on the team when taking into account how the roster is built. It’s the same “debate” w THJ. It’s great that he’s scoring bc at least he shows the aggression vs a Frank but he plays no defense and when his touches drop significantly due to being a lower option on a “decent” team, then what? You’re left w a younger THJ. It’s hard to get excited about that unless Pills is going to shop KK and we know that isn’t happening.

KK must get stronger on his moves to the basket, play some semblance of defense bc on a playoff team, he isn’t seeing the floor ala Melo. The efficiency is concerning especially in the context, combined w no defense what so ever.

With Pills’ “plan”, KK pick was rather perplexing bc SGA or someone else would be a much better fit.

Where are you getting these projections from? He can easily be a one or two once hes fully developed and the no playing defense thing is a myth. Not being all worldly defense wise is not the same as not playing any defense.

It’s pretty easy...

KP
FA
Zion or someone similar.

Hence 3/4. If you think that KK becomes a 1/2 w that plan going fwd, then let’s agree to disagree bc don’t see KK becoming the 1st option over KP or whomever NYK draft. Add a FA in there, and you’re looking @ 4 already.

What exactly is the issue if you have a skilled player like Knox as your 4th option (if such a scenario even happens)? Doesn't that mean the team is very good? How is this a bad thing? What's going on with this thread exactly?

[dakomish23]

why the hell is this place a war zone

[cuyankees]

Haaa, you all are assuming that a game w the NYK is competitive when it’s an absolute joke aka garbage time.

If you all are watching as much as you say you do, you’d see that. Dubs game was an open gym game from the tipoff, last night was a joke from tipoff.

Notice a pattern w the NYK going down big immediately, then crawling back into the game bc opponent is “chilling”.

Outside of the LAL game of late, can anyone name a game that has been competitive from the tip off of late?

Even if that theory worked, other than yesterday, the majority of his points come in the first half before teams apparently start chilling. Said theory would only work if he was killing it in the second half.

Since Dec 1, NYK has been down double digit by half in all games except for 11, out of those 11, 5 have turned into double digit losses.

[Oscirus]

It’s all context, as I said before, KK projects to be a 3/4th option on the team when taking into account how the roster is built. It’s the same “debate” w THJ. It’s great that he’s scoring bc at least he shows the aggression vs a Frank but he plays no defense and when his touches drop significantly due to being a lower option on a “decent” team, then what? You’re left w a younger THJ. It’s hard to get excited about that unless Pills is going to shop KK and we know that isn’t happening.

KK must get stronger on his moves to the basket, play some semblance of defense bc on a playoff team, he isn’t seeing the floor ala Melo. The efficiency is concerning especially in the context, combined w no defense what so ever.

With Pills’ “plan”, KK pick was rather perplexing bc SGA or someone else would be a much better fit.

Where are you getting these projections from? He can easily be a one or two once hes fully developed and the no playing defense thing is a myth. Not being all worldly defense wise is not the same as not playing any defense.

It’s pretty easy...

KP
FA
Zion or someone similar.

Hence 3/4. If you think that KK becomes a 1/2 w that plan going fwd, then let’s agree to disagree bc don’t see KK becoming the 1st option over KP or whomever NYK draft. Add a FA in there, and you’re looking @ 4 already.

Since this is the knicks and not the golden state warriors I doubt we get a superstar free agent and as for draft pick, who knows what we gonna draft? As long as it ain't one itll likely be a guard though. So push come to shove, the only person he'll likely be competing with is KP. And even if everything breaks perfectly we'd bring him off the bench and use his scoring there. No way in hell do you make someone who's best quality is scoring and who's really good at it, the 3 or 4 option

[prophet_of_rage]

Where are you getting these projections from? He can easily be a one or two once hes fully developed and the no playing defense thing is a myth. Not being all worldly defense wise is not the same as not playing any defense.

It’s pretty easy...

KP
FA
Zion or someone similar.

Hence 3/4. If you think that KK becomes a 1/2 w that plan going fwd, then let’s agree to disagree bc don’t see KK becoming the 1st option over KP or whomever NYK draft. Add a FA in there, and you’re looking @ 4 already.

Since this is the knicks and not the golden state warriors I doubt we get a superstar free agent and as for draft pick, who knows what we gonna draft? As long as it ain't one itll likely be a guard though. So push come to shove, the only person he'll likely be competing with is KP. And even if everything breaks perfectly we'd bring him off the bench and use his scoring there. No way in hell do you make someone who's best quality is scoring and who's really good at it, the 3 or 4 option

Unless you're Lou Williams.

[Greenie]

lol it’s been established already that Greenie doesn’t like anyone on this team other than Mitch. No need to keep going back and forth on a losing argument.

I like KP too.
I just don’t like him as a PF.

He’s my favorite at center

Alright just ktse when the young ones start balling out.

You know I always do.

[Oscirus]

It’s pretty easy...

KP
FA
Zion or someone similar.

Hence 3/4. If you think that KK becomes a 1/2 w that plan going fwd, then let’s agree to disagree bc don’t see KK becoming the 1st option over KP or whomever NYK draft. Add a FA in there, and you’re looking @ 4 already.

Since this is the knicks and not the golden state warriors I doubt we get a superstar free agent and as for draft pick, who knows what we gonna draft? As long as it ain't one itll likely be a guard though. So push come to shove, the only person he'll likely be competing with is KP. And even if everything breaks perfectly we'd bring him off the bench and use his scoring there. No way in hell do you make someone who's best quality is scoring and who's really good at it, the 3 or 4 option

Unless you're Lou Williams.

Dont you put that evil on knox

[cuyankees]

Where are you getting these projections from? He can easily be a one or two once hes fully developed and the no playing defense thing is a myth. Not being all worldly defense wise is not the same as not playing any defense.

It’s pretty easy...

KP
FA
Zion or someone similar.

Hence 3/4. If you think that KK becomes a 1/2 w that plan going fwd, then let’s agree to disagree bc don’t see KK becoming the 1st option over KP or whomever NYK draft. Add a FA in there, and you’re looking @ 4 already.

Since this is the knicks and not the golden state warriors I doubt we get a superstar free agent and as for draft pick, who knows what we gonna draft? As long as it ain't one itll likely be a guard though. So push come to shove, the only person he'll likely be competing with is KP. And even if everything breaks perfectly we'd bring him off the bench and use his scoring there. No way in hell do you make someone who's best quality is scoring and who's really good at it, the 3 or 4 option

That's reality through a Fan's lense, but Pills would disagree. That projection is based on trying to see through Pills' glasses bc don't think Pills wake up everyday and say to themselves that we're striking out in FA and not come away w a better prospect than KK in the draft.

Taking into account Pills' reality, KK coming off the bench is a disappointment w that pick in a loaded draft.

[fatalogic]

It’s pretty easy...

KP
FA
Zion or someone similar.

Hence 3/4. If you think that KK becomes a 1/2 w that plan going fwd, then let’s agree to disagree bc don’t see KK becoming the 1st option over KP or whomever NYK draft. Add a FA in there, and you’re looking @ 4 already.

Since this is the knicks and not the golden state warriors I doubt we get a superstar free agent and as for draft pick, who knows what we gonna draft? As long as it ain't one itll likely be a guard though. So push come to shove, the only person he'll likely be competing with is KP. And even if everything breaks perfectly we'd bring him off the bench and use his scoring there. No way in hell do you make someone who's best quality is scoring and who's really good at it, the 3 or 4 option

That's reality through a Fan's lense, but Pills would disagree. That projection is based on trying to see through Pills' glasses bc don't think Pills wake up everyday and say to themselves that we're striking out in FA and not come away w a better prospect than KK in the draft.

Taking into account Pills' reality, KK coming off the bench is a disappointment w that pick in a loaded draft.

Their reality also counts trading the young guys for a vet PG if KD came here. Also, imo they have given more indications that they are being flexible in case they do miss out otherwise they wouldn’t even entertain signing / possibly bringing back players like Vonleh or Mudiay.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Haaa, you all are assuming that a game w the NYK is competitive when it’s an absolute joke aka garbage time.

If you all are watching as much as you say you do, you’d see that. Dubs game was an open gym game from the tipoff, last night was a joke from tipoff.

Notice a pattern w the NYK going down big immediately, then crawling back into the game bc opponent is “chilling”.

Outside of the LAL game of late, can anyone name a game that has been competitive from the tip off of late?

Even if that theory worked, other than yesterday, the majority of his points come in the first half before teams apparently start chilling. Said theory would only work if he was killing it in the second half.

Since Dec 1, NYK has been down double digit by half in all games except for 11, out of those 11, 5 have turned into double digit losses.

You know that we've only played 19 games since 12/1. Thanks for sharing that we're in close games the majority of the time.

[cuyankees]

Even if that theory worked, other than yesterday, the majority of his points come in the first half before teams apparently start chilling. Said theory would only work if he was killing it in the second half.

Since Dec 1, NYK has been down double digit by half in all games except for 11, out of those 11, 5 have turned into double digit losses.

You know that we've only played 19 games since 12/1. Thanks for sharing that we're in close games the majority of the time.

20 games actually and 14 of them were double digits so whatever fits your narrative.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Since Dec 1, NYK has been down double digit by half in all games except for 11, out of those 11, 5 have turned into double digit losses.

You know that we've only played 19 games since 12/1. Thanks for sharing that we're in close games the majority of the time.

20 games actually and 14 of them were double digits so whatever fits your narrative.

my narrative? That's ironic coming from someone that's one changing the definition of what garbage time and close games means.

[cuyankees]

You know that we've only played 19 games since 12/1. Thanks for sharing that we're in close games the majority of the time.

20 games actually and 14 of them were double digits so whatever fits your narrative.

my narrative? That's ironic coming from someone that's one changing the definition of what garbage time and close games means.

No change, as said before a NYK game is garbage time, close to 75 of the games down by double digits, a time where KK has shined. Coincidence much?

[robillionaire]

This is a weird thread to be complaining about Knox after the game he had yesterday.

If you think about it it makes perfect sense because the doubters are running out of rope and really starting to grasp for straws

See you at the 40 point PG thread

[jvsimonetti0514]

20 games actually and 14 of them were double digits so whatever fits your narrative.

my narrative? That's ironic coming from someone that's one changing the definition of what garbage time and close games means.

No change, as said before a NYK game is garbage time, close to 75 of the games down by double digits, a time where KK has shined. Coincidence much?

That's not what commonly referred to as garbage time and you know it. Stop trying to gaslight us. Everybody knows it means the end of a game during a blow out. Plus even if you're down by 15 you can get back into the game in 3 shots. Looks at this game we were down 24 and made it a game.

[K_ick_God]

This is a weird thread to be complaining about Knox after the game he had yesterday.

If you think about it it makes perfect sense because the doubters are running out of rope and really starting to grasp for straws

See you at the 40 point PG thread

However I was feeling good about Knox until I saw Luka later.

[Chanel Bomber]

y’all drool over tatum but he’s never dropped 30 in a game.

Tatum played big in the playoffs. Kevin Knox has yet to play in a significant NBA game with actual pressure.

Kevin Knox plays in New York. Every game has pressure.

Yes, the pressure of a meaningless game in a tanking season where the Knicks are 10-33 is definitely comparable to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against LeBron's Cavaliers. Or any Celtics game from last season for that matter. Of course.

The Knicks are completely irrelevant right now. This is a lost season, nobody expects results from this team. There is no pressure. Kevin Knox is a promising rookie, I liked the pick and I root for the kid. But he more than likely wouldn't average more than 10 minutes per game on the Celtics right now, if that. He has time and room to grow but he's a net negative at this stage in his career. Which is fine because he's only 19.

[robillionaire]

Tatum played big in the playoffs. Kevin Knox has yet to play in a significant NBA game with actual pressure.

Kevin Knox plays in New York. Every game has pressure.

Yes, the pressure of a meaningless game in a tanking season where the Knicks are 10-33 is definitely comparable to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against LeBron's Cavaliers. Or any Celtics game from last season for that matter. Of course.

The Knicks are completely irrelevant right now. This is a lost season, nobody expects results from this team. There is no pressure. Kevin Knox is a promising rookie, I liked the pick and I root for the kid. But he more than likely wouldn't average more than 10 minutes per game on the Celtics right now, if that. He has time and room to grow but he's a net negative at this stage in his career.

The Knicks are never irrelevant to the media and the NY media is just waiting to eat rookies alive, in fact they already tried with him once

[Chanel Bomber]

Kevin Knox plays in New York. Every game has pressure.

Yes, the pressure of a meaningless game in a tanking season where the Knicks are 10-33 is definitely comparable to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against LeBron's Cavaliers. Or any Celtics game from last season for that matter. Of course.

The Knicks are completely irrelevant right now. This is a lost season, nobody expects results from this team. There is no pressure. Kevin Knox is a promising rookie, I liked the pick and I root for the kid. But he more than likely wouldn't average more than 10 minutes per game on the Celtics right now, if that. He has time and room to grow but he's a net negative at this stage in his career.

The Knicks are never irrelevant to the media and the NY media is just waiting to eat rookies alive, in fact they already tried with him once

This is true, it still doesn't compare to the pressure of the NBA playoffs, especially the Conference Finals. We're not going anywhere with this. See you in another thread, cheers.

[robillionaire]

Yes, the pressure of a meaningless game in a tanking season where the Knicks are 10-33 is definitely comparable to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against LeBron's Cavaliers. Or any Celtics game from last season for that matter. Of course.

The Knicks are completely irrelevant right now. This is a lost season, nobody expects results from this team. There is no pressure. Kevin Knox is a promising rookie, I liked the pick and I root for the kid. But he more than likely wouldn't average more than 10 minutes per game on the Celtics right now, if that. He has time and room to grow but he's a net negative at this stage in his career.

The Knicks are never irrelevant to the media and the NY media is just waiting to eat rookies alive, in fact they already tried with him once

This is true, it still doesn't compare to the pressure of the NBA playoffs, especially the Conference Finals. We're not going anywhere with this. See you in another thread, cheers.

I agree, but my point is that the pressure of being a rookie in NY is far greater than the pressure of being a rookie in say, Minnesota or some city nobody cares about. See ya