Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

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If the Cavaliers had landed the No. 2 overall draft pick, they may have settled on Texas Tech shooting guard Jarrett Culver — even over the likes of Ja Morant and R.J. Barrett.

That is how much the Cavs are said to like Culver. It’s hard to know if any of this is true or just a gigantic smokescreen (Culver is about the third draft prospect the Cavs are said to really, really want.)

But for the sake of argument, let’s say Culver is indeed the Cavaliers’ man. Let’s say the New Orleans Pelicans take Zion Williamson at No. 1, the Memphis Grizzlies go with Moran at No. 2, and the Knicks take Barrett after that.

In that scenario, all that stands between the Cavs and Culver is … drumroll, please … LeBron James’ Los Angeles Lakers.

“At No. 5, though, there’s a pretty good chance the Cavs can get their man, if the Lakers pass on him at No. 4 — though that is no guarantee,” Sean Deveney of Sporting News wrote. “Culver had good numbers at the Chicago pre-draft combine, measuring 6-6.75 with a 6-9.5 wingspan.”

The Cavs interviewed Culver last week, and according to sources, walked away feeling as if he would be a great fit in the culture they are trying to build and in new coach John Beilein’s system.

But again, what happens after the top three picks is when the draft mysteries are really expected to begin. Along with Culver, Virginia small forward De’Andre Hunter, Duke wing Cam Reddish, Vanderbilt point guard Darius Garland and rising North Carolina combo guard Coby White are all expected to fall in the Nos. 5-10 range.
http://amicohoops.net/cavaliers-have-draft-eyes-for-texas-tech-standout-culver/

[HarthorneWingo]

So here are possible "shooters" that the Knicks may want to look at.

Vince Carter
DeMarre Carroll
Nik Stauskas
Wesley Matthews
Patrick Beverley
Darren Collison
Jaymychal Green
Kentavious Caldwell Pope
Channing Frye
JJ Reddick
Marco Bellinelli

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Those old men are chasing rings so they're not signing with 17-win teams.

The Knicks sign KD and Kyrie and it's hardly a 17 win team is it? Especially if they figure out a way to also add AD.

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So, KD and Kyrie are coming to a 17-win team?

[knickstape4ever]

This isn’t some surge. He was always going to be a top 3 pick. When the lotto happened, I made a thread with the idea that he was gonna be the 3rd pick before this “upsurge in fandom” took place, because he was already a consensus top 3 pick

he was the top ranked player for the class of 2019. upsurge in fandom is a funny take on him.

i was hoping we got the 1st pick in the draft to draft him, before the college bball season started and Zion showed out.

Same. Reminds me of Darnold before the Jets tanked. I wanted Darnold before the college season started but then kinda grew to like Rosen. Sometimes we get it right the first time.

since you brought up football...dont count out Rosen just yet. I watched all of Rosen's games b/c I'm a huge fan of his and he is a victim of terrible circumstance; I really feel bad for the guy. had the worst OL in the NFL, an OC (Mike McCoy) who was fired mid-season 2 years in a row, and no receivers other than an old Fitz and a rookie Kirk. The Cardinals offense an absolute sh*t show; look at David Johnson's usage, and despite that Rosen still made 3-4 perfect throws per game, had good pocket presence (stood in face of pressure, kept eyes downfield)...he's still got a ton of potential.

IMO its similar to basketball, as fans we kinda expect high 1st round picks to enter the league and be stars right away; takes time to develop. I see people writing off DSJ and Knox (tho I'm just not a Knox fan in general) but these guys are still kids, its too early to write them off

[F N 11]

First Cavs want to trade the world for RJ but now if they had 2 they would take Culver? Lol June please hurry up and go.

[sol537]

If there are any takers for DSJr for #4 - #7 pick, I would make that deal. PHX, Chicago?

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If the Cavaliers had landed the No. 2 overall draft pick, they may have settled on Texas Tech shooting guard Jarrett Culver — even over the likes of Ja Morant and R.J. Barrett.

That is how much the Cavs are said to like Culver. It’s hard to know if any of this is true or just a gigantic smokescreen (Culver is about the third draft prospect the Cavs are said to really, really want.)

But for the sake of argument, let’s say Culver is indeed the Cavaliers’ man. Let’s say the New Orleans Pelicans take Zion Williamson at No. 1, the Memphis Grizzlies go with Moran at No. 2, and the Knicks take Barrett after that.

In that scenario, all that stands between the Cavs and Culver is … drumroll, please … LeBron James’ Los Angeles Lakers.

“At No. 5, though, there’s a pretty good chance the Cavs can get their man, if the Lakers pass on him at No. 4 — though that is no guarantee,” Sean Deveney of Sporting News wrote. “Culver had good numbers at the Chicago pre-draft combine, measuring 6-6.75 with a 6-9.5 wingspan.”

The Cavs interviewed Culver last week, and according to sources, walked away feeling as if he would be a great fit in the culture they are trying to build and in new coach John Beilein’s system.

But again, what happens after the top three picks is when the draft mysteries are really expected to begin. Along with Culver, Virginia small forward De’Andre Hunter, Duke wing Cam Reddish, Vanderbilt point guard Darius Garland and rising North Carolina combo guard Coby White are all expected to fall in the Nos. 5-10 range.
http://amicohoops.net/cavaliers-have-draft-eyes-for-texas-tech-standout-culver/

IMHO there is a significant dip in NBA projectibility beyond the top 3 guys. I actually have De'Andre Hunter 4th on my draft board. Hunter is the guy most likely among the rest to really make an impact in the NBA.

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[moocow007]

First Cavs want to trade the world for RJ but now if they had 2 they would take Culver? Lol June please hurry up and go.

Exactly. Barrett would be perfect for the Cavs. If they had a choice between Barrett and Culver they're taking Barrett. No if's, and's or but's lol. The Cavs leaking their interest in Culver likely is due to trying to better position themselves in an attempt to trade up (by make ng it seem like Culver and Barrett are much closer in value than they are), possibly into the Knicks spot. Other than Zion, Barrett would be the PERFECT guy to pair with Colin Sexton and to market/sell to their fan base. All the Culver's in the world won't do that. They know it. Hopefully Perry and Mills know it to so if for some silly assed reason Perry actually does trade down it'll take a lot more than just the 5th and 26th picks to get it done for the Cavs. Which BTW, is predraft fantasy #2 among NBA fanbases. Cavs fans literally are trying to convince themselves that the Knicks would be dopey enough to swap basically RJ Barrett for the 5th and 26th picks lol.

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If there are any takers for DSJr for #4 - #7 pick, I would make that deal. PHX, Chicago?

dsj wont fetch a lottery pick in this draft. you’d be lucky to get a protected first for him. his value isn’t that high

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Jeannie Buss and the Lakers GM Queen James just got female woodies cause that would increase their chances at getting AD in a trade by a whole lot.

Laker fans have been desperately trying to convince themselves that Perry, Mills and the Knicks would be dopey enough to pass on Barrett so the Lakers can snap him up at 4 and finally complete the package for NO to land AD in LA. Pelicans reportedly very interested in reuniting Barrett with Zion.

Hopefully Perry and Mills aren't that dopey. If they seriously believe that Culver (and his weak ball control ability) is the answer for an NBA tean at 3, at least freaking make a trade with the Lakers and get something for handing AD...i mean Barrett...to Lebron and the Lakers.


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I respect your opinion bro happy you’re back posting. just delivering the news. I think if the Knicks were to draft culver they would do so knowing the pels had no interest in barett plus the knicks best offer of additional assets for AD and they prefer culver. not outlandish but I get your point.

[sol537]

Hunter is a guy who can be Artest 2.0 without the crazy. His defense will translate immediately and his shot should translate as well. The rest will depend on where he lands and his work ethic which I would hope is quite good.

[moocow007]

Hunter is a guy who can be Artest 2.0 without the crazy. His defense will translate immediately and his shot should translate as well. The rest will depend on where he lands and his work ethic which I would hope is quite good.

Hunter saved arguably his best offensive showing for the most important game of the season in the national championship game...against none other than Jarrett Culver and Texas Tech.

Hunter has everything you can possibly want in an NBA SF. He's got a 7'2" wingspan, big hands, the ability to shoot 3's and elite defense. Defense that actually can translate to the NBA level given his physical tools and ferocious playing style. Honestly his demeanor not to mention physical appearance reminds me of Dennis Rodman early on with the Pistons. A Rodman type defensive player with a 3 point shot?

His offense imo wasn't showcased to the degree where I think it can be given the system he played at Virginia for Tony Bennett. Defensively? There is no better place to learn how to play team defense than at Virginia so he should be pretty primo there. In fact if you plug in KD and Kyrie into the Knicks current mix, one can argue that Hunter could very well be the best fit. A defensive lockdown wing that can spread the floor, plays off the ball and plays ferociously. To balance their projected offensive fire power and to pair with Mitchell Robinson to anchor the Knicks team defense.

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Jeannie Buss and the Lakers GM Queen James just got female woodies cause that would increase their chances at getting AD in a trade by a whole lot.

Laker fans have been desperately trying to convince themselves that Perry, Mills and the Knicks would be dopey enough to pass on Barrett so the Lakers can snap him up at 4 and finally complete the package for NO to land AD in LA. Pelicans reportedly very interested in reuniting Barrett with Zion.

Hopefully Perry and Mills aren't that dopey. If they seriously believe that Culver (and his weak ball control ability) is the answer for an NBA tean at 3, at least freaking make a trade with the Lakers and get something for handing AD...i mean Barrett...to Lebron and the Lakers.


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Good to see you back.


Ball control is a strange thing to knock Culver for in comparison to Barrett. That's not exactly a strength of RJ's either

[moocow007]

So yeah if they are going to bypass Barrett cause they can't get a commitment from either NO in an AD trade or from the Cavs for a sweetheart deal so the Cavs can build around Barrett AND they know KD and others are coming...then the only guy I'd be ok with them taking for themselves instead is Hunter.

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Jeannie Buss and the Lakers GM Queen James just got female woodies cause that would increase their chances at getting AD in a trade by a whole lot.

Laker fans have been desperately trying to convince themselves that Perry, Mills and the Knicks would be dopey enough to pass on Barrett so the Lakers can snap him up at 4 and finally complete the package for NO to land AD in LA. Pelicans reportedly very interested in reuniting Barrett with Zion.

Hopefully Perry and Mills aren't that dopey. If they seriously believe that Culver (and his weak ball control ability) is the answer for an NBA tean at 3, at least freaking make a trade with the Lakers and get something for handing AD...i mean Barrett...to Lebron and the Lakers.


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Ball control is a strange thing to knock Culver for in comparison to Barret.

It is if Barrett is a SG. But I see Barrett as a SF. Culver is a G.

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[GONYK]

Jeannie Buss and the Lakers GM Queen James just got female woodies cause that would increase their chances at getting AD in a trade by a whole lot.

Laker fans have been desperately trying to convince themselves that Perry, Mills and the Knicks would be dopey enough to pass on Barrett so the Lakers can snap him up at 4 and finally complete the package for NO to land AD in LA. Pelicans reportedly very interested in reuniting Barrett with Zion.

Hopefully Perry and Mills aren't that dopey. If they seriously believe that Culver (and his weak ball control ability) is the answer for an NBA tean at 3, at least freaking make a trade with the Lakers and get something for handing AD...i mean Barrett...to Lebron and the Lakers.


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Ball control is a strange thing to knock Culver for in comparison to Barret.

It is if Barrett is a SG. But I see Barrett as a SF. Culver is a G.

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I would think that a lot of Barrett's physical advantages are mitigated when you move him to the 3 though.

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Ball control is a strange thing to knock Culver for in comparison to Barret.

It is if Barrett is a SG. But I see Barrett as a SF. Culver is a G.

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I would think that a lot of Barrett's physical advantages are mitigated when you move him to the 3 though.

Potentially but he can also gain some matchup advantages as a result. IMO Barrett is better suited for the NBA game. He's more explosive, he's got a much better all around offensive NBA game (he doesn't have to be an elite 3 point shooter) and I think his demeanor is better suited for being an alpha in the area of what he's best at in the NBA than Culver. Culver imo has to have the ball in his hands for longer periods of time and with his kinda shaky handles I just don't see Frontline star.

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A selfish ball hog...who happens to speak the english language well...is still a ball hog

[GONYK]

It is if Barrett is a SG. But I see Barrett as a SF. Culver is a G.

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I would think that a lot of Barrett's physical advantages are mitigated when you move him to the 3 though.

Potentially but he can also gain some matchup advantages as a result. IMO Barrett is better suited for the NBA game. He's more explosive, he's got a much better all around offensive NBA game (he doesn't have to be an elite 3 point shooter) and I think his demeanor is better suited for being an alpha in the area of what he's best at in the NBA than Culver. Culver imo has to have the ball in his hands for longer periods of time and with his kinda shaky handles I just don't see Frontline star.

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I do think that Barrett is more explosive. I don't think Barrett is an elite athlete though. Not functionally, in the halfcourt. Open court is a different story. RJ is a killer there.

I think they were put into similar roles in their respective schools, and Culver showed much better IQ, footwork/craftiness, and defense.

RJ has better scoring instincts, more physicality, and a better raw athletic profile, but I don't see a very large gap between them as prospects.

RJ was pretty limited by his jumper and his absence of a right hand. He came by his stats on volume. Those things can improve, but they can improve for Culver as well.

I do think RJ has more of an alpha mentality than Culver, but I'm not sure that matters much if we are potentially slotting them behind 2 all stars.

[newyorker4ever]

Knicks have no alphas but let’s skip over the only clear leader/Alpha. Dude was the leader over Zion period!! For some role player. Who would go in the second half of the lottery.

If any other team had the 3rd pick their wouldn’t be a discussion but this is the Knicks fan base. Take bpa and stop with all this trade down ish. Only team that should be talking trade down is the lakers.

I would think some teams especially Phoenix and Chicago would be having serious debate about who to draft at #3 with both of them giving serious consideration to taking D.Garland.

That’s because they are desperate for a point guard.

Well yeah but also that many think he has the talent to be the best PG to come out of this draft. Remember we only saw him in 4 games and like 2 minutes of his 5th game before his injury happened and he was looking legit in those 4 games. He also came into the college season as the #1 PG over J.Morant. I'm just saying that Garland has the talent to be a better player then Barrett or Morant but i'm also not saying he will be because i have no idea if he will be or not.

[F N 11]

Same people talking about Barrett shooting give Mitchell, Trae and Luka sloppy top all day long I bet.

Let me guess those guys can’t get better huh?