OT: Official KP Thread

[dakomish23]

You're a smart guy but sometimes hard to follow a little bit -- just so I understand it, what is your "something awesome" that you're referring to? RJB and KP .. or ... RJB and KP _AND_ Randle?

I'm lost lol.

I mean you could do this all day ... we could have had Donovan Mitchell. But then we probably wouldn't have had RJB.

Focus on the kids in 2017-18. Be bad as expected. Pick a franchise cornerstone in the top 5 (Luka was my goal all year). Have cornerstones your drafted. Have good role players you developed. Use the cap space we wasted on THJ to get assets. (We could have used that to dump Noah instead of stretching him). Rinse and repeat for 2018-19. Leave a crap ton of space open in 2019. Add ppl via FA as the last step.

The hardest thing to do is get one. We had that. We messed it up.

I’m hoping we don’t do the same for RJB.

Dakomish was the leader of the tank for Luka brigade that year. I was a pretty big advocate as well. Of course there were lots of others. In fact, not sure how realistic this is, but if possible Knicks should have traded some future firsts to move up for Donic.

Would have changed the whole equation with KP, though post injury etc there's still a valid argument of it he'd be worth it. But it would be cool either way, because the Knicks would have that big time creating scoring PG or wing, only the blueprint for success in the NBA for like 75% of it's existence.

Yep I remember you wanted him as well to pair the two together. There’s a reason you spoke it into existence!

Anyway, I just hope we don’t make similar errors in judgement when it to comes to RJB. It’s a different scenario b/c he’s joining a team with some young pieces already, but I hope the FO plays the long game with this kid.

[Rasho Brezec]

Dakomish was the leader of the tank for Luka brigade that year.

Excuse me.

[Apples]

Evan Roberts was right. KP will get off to a hot start-like he always does. Some Knick fans will complain about the trade. Then he will either get hurt again or be tired by mid season.

He's a shooter that blocks shots. Nothing wrong with that but I expected a bit more.

[Wildcat]

Salty Knicks fans. My friend and I were joking that the Knicks will trade RJB for Cap space in 2023.

[duetta]

Another 4 rebound game.

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

2 games, 8 rebounds - versus bad competition.

[nedleeds]

Another 4 rebound game.

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

And if salty Knicks fans who blame KP and not Pills actually watched the Mavs they'd see he's busy contesting shots at an elite level and letting Luka and Brunson grab and go instead of stat padding. We'd have gotten Brunson instead of DSJ at least we'd have an NBA pg.

[duetta]

I'm not yet totally sure how the team is run, meaning bad or good. I've leaned towards good. I'm starting to wonder. This offseason I said would prove a lot. I don't think they did GREAT but their fallback was decent. Again, not "very good" or "good" but they maintained cap flexibility on the whole.

At this point, the test will be what they do with these short contracts as we near mid-season. If they can create a market for a couple of these players, and bring back better-fitting youth and future assets, then they will get a better grade.

I'm just tuning in at this point in the season, after skipping most of last year's tankfest, but it appears that our coach has few fans here. He's also a reflection of our management. He was fine when all we wanted to do was tank - and maybe recruit some flashy free agent in the offseason.

I just look at this group and wonder how in the world it is supposed to work. We draft a point guard under Jackson, he looks like a project, and we bury him - to bring someone else's project, who also has incredibly significant flaws.

[thebuzzardman]

Dakomish was the leader of the tank for Luka brigade that year.

Excuse me.

Co - leader, if you will.

[blueNorange]

it's okay to hate on kristaps and still acknowledge that he's a pretty good player.

[EricAnderson]

I love how people are pointing out KP’s flaws like only flawless great players are allowed to play for us. He’s not perfect but he’s still damn good at what he does well.

We traded KP for DSJ whos an abomination. So basically we traded him for probably two mid first rounders which anyone being non bias would say that’s malpractice by a gm

[EricAnderson]

Another 4 rebound game.

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

2 games, 8 rebounds - versus bad competition.

His scoring and rim protection are damn good. He has some flaws like almost every player but if you try to make an argument that you’d rather DSJ and two mid first round picks then him you’re being blindly biased.

[SelbyCobra]

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

2 games, 8 rebounds - versus bad competition.

His scoring and rim protection are damn good. He has some flaws like almost every player but if you try to make an argument that you’d rather DSJ and two mid first round picks then him you’re being blindly biased.

In a vacuum, sure. But you're ignoring him going from a year-to-year contract paying him $5M annually, to a fully guaranteed $158M contract paying him roughly $30M annually.

I love to point out his faults, but even with those glaring flaws KP is unquestionably a net positive player on the whole because of his defense. Outside of fan venom, the objective struggle with his value is when you contextualize his production within a league governed by - and largely defined by - a salary cap.

Being greater than zero, having a positive impact, or "scoring 20 PPG" is an acceptable measuring stick when you're being paid a little more than the vet min, but that valuation equation shifts markedly when you're one of the 30 highest paid players in a 30 team league.

I'm really curious to see what Porzingis' production looks like when the dust settles on his first season in Dallas.

[thebuzzardman]

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

2 games, 8 rebounds - versus bad competition.

His scoring and rim protection are damn good. He has some flaws like almost every player but if you try to make an argument that you’d rather DSJ and two mid first round picks then him you’re being blindly biased.

Some of it is timing and risk mitigation. Knicks should have ponied up the max dollars for a clear 2nd banana kind of player without even yet having the #1 kind of guy to set him up and run the team, like Donic? All that with a player carrying a clear injury risk?

Trade might not turn out great but sometimes it's just the right move all the way around. Once the Mavs got Donic, they had their franchise player, a true franchise player. Even if KP gets hurt, other than losing draft capital to rebuild faster around Donic, they still have Donic. Knicks COULD have been in a situation with no franchise player (not sure about RJ yet - he's certainly a piece), 30 million a year tied up, and the guy winds up chronically hurt.

Sucks, but once the Knicks weren't smart enough to tank for Donic AND KP got hurt, they might as well have moved on.

You can feel free to live any Donic/KP's fantasies through Maverick fandom though. Great move/worthwhile risk for the Mavs, not for the Knicks.

[thebuzzardman]

For the record, I think KP's a nice player. I just get the trade. And I created the thread not because I want to bash the guy (though I love bashing players in general), but for the fact that I'd rather the excess ball washing happen in one location than pollute every game thread, even though most of the Mav's success will be to Donic.

Again, once you get Donic, getting KP is worth it/worth the risk. The Knicks had KP. I'd have traded THREE first rounders to get Donic. You do that for franchise players. Then you have two players and an identity of Euro centric play. When they didn't do that, just move on from KP. Which they did.

Soon Frank will join the Mavs.

Buzztrodamus has spoken.

[Oscirus]

Another 4 rebound game.

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

And if salty Knicks fans who blame KP and not Pills actually watched the Mavs they'd see he's busy contesting shots at an elite level and letting Luka and Brunson grab and go instead of stat padding. We'd have gotten Brunson instead of DSJ at least we'd have an NBA pg.

Yes because shotblockers don't rebound. When you as tall as KP 8 a game should be the minimum.

[OpiumDose]

I completely agree that KP's current rebounding numbers are unacceptable even for his poor rebounding standards. But if rebounding is the only thing that's subpar for a guy that hadn't played competitive basketball for 20 months then I'd say he's doing pretty darn good. And he's only 2 games in, with completely new teammates and coach. I think KP is currently surpassing what was expected from him at this stage.

[duetta]

Bottom line is that he didn't want to be here, despite the fact that he had never given us close to a full season in which he realized his potential.

If he had kept his mouth shut, his hands off the wrong women, and told his idiot brother to get a life, he would have been lionized in New York - and he would have gotten paid as well.

We don't owe him anything.

[nedleeds]

And measly 5 blocks with shooting 60% from three, as well as 3 assists. I know the hate is strong with KP, but come on. Let's be objective and agree that he's a super talented young player with some flaws (both on-court and off-court) and potential injury concerns.

And if salty Knicks fans who blame KP and not Pills actually watched the Mavs they'd see he's busy contesting shots at an elite level and letting Luka and Brunson grab and go instead of stat padding. We'd have gotten Brunson instead of DSJ at least we'd have an NBA pg.

Yes because shotblockers don't rebound. When you as tall as KP 8 a game should be the minimum.

I watched both games he could have easily Deandre / Westbrooked 4 more useless rebounds from Doncic, Brunson and Wright. He just starts running. If that useless dated stat just said 8 he'd all of sudden be fine? GTFO. He is actively challenging every shot inside 15 feet and he's basically top 3 in the world at it. That causes misses that his teammates grab and **** go. Because they have players who aren't turds like Jarret Jack, Derrick Rose, Mudiay, CAlderon and **** Trey Burke surrounding him.

KP is awesome, young and going to get better. We got pumped so hard up the ahh ho on this trade and as it becomes more clear what a road apple DSJ is and how the Mavs picks will be middle end first round it just gets more painful.

This thread will remain a testament to Mills and Perrys complete ineptitude until they are **** fired.

[BallSacBounce]

Still glad he's gone...and when he gets tired then injured later in the season, and you know he will, I'll be even gladderer.

[nedleeds]

I love how people are pointing out KP’s flaws like only flawless great players are allowed to play for us. He’s not perfect but he’s still damn good at what he does well.

We traded KP for DSJ whos an abomination. So basically we traded him for probably two mid first rounders which anyone being non bias would say that’s malpractice by a gm

Hey now! The same front office who made the trade signed the $18 million THJr turd we dumped in the trade, that basically got used to sign Julius 'Oven Mittens' Randle. So it's KP for Julius Randle, a scrub who'll be out of the league next year and 2 late first rounders. But lets blame KP being salty at this turd front office and some random gold digger who pred humped him while he was laid up after ACL surgery.

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