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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#381 » by SWYM » Fri Mar 6, 2020 9:42 pm

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This is what i've been saying as well and is why i was happy to hear L.Rose say that fans will need to be patient. That tells me he doesn't plan on going out year one and trading all our assets we have in draft picks and the limited young players for whatever veteran players he can get like some on here are convinced he's gonna do.

Keep drafting the best talent available in the drafts and hope we get some damn luck and hit big with a couple of them. Get some people in here that will focus on development of the young players. At some point maybe a couple of stars ask to be traded from their teams or teams are ready to move on from their star players cause it isn't working or whatever the case, then we'll have the young talent and draft picks to trade for those players, but we need to just keep building through the draft and only give out short contracts to young players until that point comes or until there's a strong free agent class.

Patience will be the key to getting this right.

This line from his letter scares me
“We will develop a plan that makes sense, both to jumpstart our short-term growth and ensure our long-term success”
It sounds like add more vets and draft young kids. Exactly what we have been doing. Starting to think not much is going to change.


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I don't mind us signing vets as long as they do it like we did this year and only sign them to 1-2 year deals so we'll still have cap space available every offseason and most of the time the vets you sign to 1-2 year deals can be traded around the deadline like we did with Morris to bring more draft picks to this team.

Most of the time? What are you talking about? There's been 1 player that the Knicks have traded in past 2 deadlines, 1...

Signing reclamation projects is such an idiotic idea and only something the Knicks would do.
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#382 » by newyorker4ever » Sat Mar 7, 2020 6:46 pm

SWYM wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:This line from his letter scares me
“We will develop a plan that makes sense, both to jumpstart our short-term growth and ensure our long-term success”
It sounds like add more vets and draft young kids. Exactly what we have been doing. Starting to think not much is going to change.


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I don't mind us signing vets as long as they do it like we did this year and only sign them to 1-2 year deals so we'll still have cap space available every offseason and most of the time the vets you sign to 1-2 year deals can be traded around the deadline like we did with Morris to bring more draft picks to this team.

Most of the time? What are you talking about? There's been 1 player that the Knicks have traded in past 2 deadlines, 1...

Signing reclamation projects is such an idiotic idea and only something the Knicks would do.


I thought it was pretty clear that i wasn't talking just Knicks when i said most of the time and meant in general meaning any team.
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Post#383 » by SARGO127 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 3:05 pm

Trade Randle to OKC for CP3 + #25
Trade DSJ for future 2nds
Pick up Gibson and Bullocks options
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Post#384 » by HerSports85 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 10:25 pm

Markkanen for DSJR and 2023 Dallas FRP

And draft one of Edwards, LaMelo, Hayes, Haliburton
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Post#385 » by WargamesX » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:34 am

What do ya’ll think about adding Josh Jackson on a decent deal next year? RJ plays most his minutes at the 2, Knox should see time at the 4, and we’re mostly likely drafting a PG. we don’t really got a SF and he’s showing upside and his team didn’t pick up his option so he is a UFA.
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Post#386 » by aq_ua » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:15 am

I wonder how Jontay Porter looks? A ton of talent there if he can get over his injuries - that would've been a nice low risk / high return type move for us to make.
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Post#387 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:07 pm

This x 1 million...we rarely sell high, and pulled it off. That fool Mills wanted to keep him and resign to a big deal.

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Post#388 » by Richard4444 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:13 am

Terry Rozier contract doesnt look so bad now. He is 40% in 3P. If we get to trade him for Randle +DSJr/minor asset would be incredible.
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Post#389 » by Richard4444 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:18 am

HerSports85 wrote:Markkanen for DSJR and 2023 Dallas FRP



I had proposed the follow trade at the general board:
Knox + Frank+ Lac FRP for Lauri.

They made fun at me because Lauri would have more value.
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Post#390 » by Richard4444 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:20 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:This x 1 million...we rarely sell high, and pulled it off. That fool Mills wanted to keep him and resign to a big deal.

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The sad part I think we may resign Morris for a 45/3y deal or even worst next season.
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Post#391 » by Esq-4 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:17 pm

Richard4444 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:This x 1 million...we rarely sell high, and pulled it off. That fool Mills wanted to keep him and resign to a big deal.

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The sad part I think we may resign Morris for a 45/3y deal or even worst next season.



You don't think he would stay in LA to compete, and instead would prefer money and stats?

Also, it's possible the severity of the drop off is adjustment and role/usage.
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Post#392 » by Richard4444 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:37 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:This x 1 million...we rarely sell high, and pulled it off. That fool Mills wanted to keep him and resign to a big deal.

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The sad part I think we may resign Morris for a 45/3y deal or even worst next season.



You don't think he would stay in LA to compete, and instead would prefer money and stats?

Also, it's possible the severity of the drop off is adjustment and role/usage.


I dont know if LAC will want him or will want to match our offer.
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Post#393 » by moocow007 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:57 pm

WargamesX wrote:What do ya’ll think about adding Josh Jackson on a decent deal next year? RJ plays most his minutes at the 2, Knox should see time at the 4, and we’re mostly likely drafting a PG. we don’t really got a SF and he’s showing upside and his team didn’t pick up his option so he is a UFA.


Josh Jackson's problem has been two fold...the lack of ideal pre-requisite skills for an NBA wing (can't create his own shot and can't shoot 3's resulting in awful inefficiencies) and off court issues that question his maturity (ran up against the law twice including investigation for vandalism and a felony evasion charge). If he wasn't drafted 4th overall a few drafts ago, I don't think he'd even get a look by NBA teams.

I mean the Knicks would really need to do their homework on him and make sure that he's mentally right. The last team a team like this needs is a guy who has a JR Smith mentality without the JR Smith basketball skills. The most I'd go for is a 2 year deal with a team option for 3 years for not much per year.

But honestly, I don't really see a whole lot of skills that would be all that useful in the NBA. Then when you add in the baggage that he carries? He's kinda like Qyntel Woods (folks remember him)? Yeah I mean physically he's got it and he's got solid athleticism but what does he really do well from a basketball skill standpoint? Woods I think may actually have had more refined NBA skills.
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Post#394 » by Richard4444 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:08 pm

SWYM wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:This line from his letter scares me
“We will develop a plan that makes sense, both to jumpstart our short-term growth and ensure our long-term success”
It sounds like add more vets and draft young kids. Exactly what we have been doing. Starting to think not much is going to change.


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I don't mind us signing vets as long as they do it like we did this year and only sign them to 1-2 year deals so we'll still have cap space available every offseason and most of the time the vets you sign to 1-2 year deals can be traded around the deadline like we did with Morris to bring more draft picks to this team.

Most of the time? What are you talking about? There's been 1 player that the Knicks have traded in past 2 deadlines, 1...

Signing reclamation projects is such an idiotic idea and only something the Knicks would do.


Memphis has signed/trade for several young players that the former teams haven given up on them: Kyrie Anderson (SAS), Josh Jackson (Suns), Justise Winslow (Heat), Tyus Jones (Wolves), Grayson Allen (Utah) and Melton (Houston).
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Post#395 » by moocow007 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:13 pm

Richard4444 wrote:
SWYM wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
I don't mind us signing vets as long as they do it like we did this year and only sign them to 1-2 year deals so we'll still have cap space available every offseason and most of the time the vets you sign to 1-2 year deals can be traded around the deadline like we did with Morris to bring more draft picks to this team.

Most of the time? What are you talking about? There's been 1 player that the Knicks have traded in past 2 deadlines, 1...

Signing reclamation projects is such an idiotic idea and only something the Knicks would do.


Memphis has signed/trade for several young players that the former teams haven given up on them: Kyrie Anderson (SAS), Josh Jackson (Suns), Justise Winslow (Heat), Tyus Jones (Wolves), Grayson Allen (Utah) and Melton (Houston).


Some of that can really be attributed to the system but there's no guarantee that if you pluck any of those players off the Memphis team and plop them in a Knicks uniform that they'd be any better than they were before they got dropped in Memphis.

As far as reclamation projects the Knicks have had? Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Mario Hezonja, Noah Vonleh are the most recent set. Sure the Knicks never did anything to develop them but they haven't exactly been lighting the roof on fire before or after their time with the Knicks. I think the problem with the Knicks is that they just don't know how to identify the right types of players needed to build a winning team. That's been Mills problem every year he's been here.
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Post#396 » by Richard4444 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:35 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
SWYM wrote:Most of the time? What are you talking about? There's been 1 player that the Knicks have traded in past 2 deadlines, 1...

Signing reclamation projects is such an idiotic idea and only something the Knicks would do.


Memphis has signed/trade for several young players that the former teams haven given up on them: Kyrie Anderson (SAS), Josh Jackson (Suns), Justise Winslow (Heat), Tyus Jones (Wolves), Grayson Allen (Utah) and Melton (Houston).


I think the problem with the Knicks is that they just don't know how to identify the right types of players needed to build a winning team.


Yup. Thats the problem.
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Post#397 » by WargamesX » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:15 pm

moocow007 wrote:
WargamesX wrote:What do ya’ll think about adding Josh Jackson on a decent deal next year? RJ plays most his minutes at the 2, Knox should see time at the 4, and we’re mostly likely drafting a PG. we don’t really got a SF and he’s showing upside and his team didn’t pick up his option so he is a UFA.


Josh Jackson's problem has been two fold...the lack of ideal pre-requisite skills for an NBA wing (can't create his own shot and can't shoot 3's resulting in awful inefficiencies) and off court issues that question his maturity (ran up against the law twice including investigation for vandalism and a felony evasion charge). If he wasn't drafted 4th overall a few drafts ago, I don't think he'd even get a look by NBA teams.

I mean the Knicks would really need to do their homework on him and make sure that he's mentally right. The last team a team like this needs is a guy who has a JR Smith mentality without the JR Smith basketball skills. The most I'd go for is a 2 year deal with a team option for 3 years for not much per year.

But honestly, I don't really see a whole lot of skills that would be all that useful in the NBA. Then when you add in the baggage that he carries? He's kinda like Qyntel Woods (folks remember him)? Yeah I mean physically he's got it and he's got solid athleticism but what does he really do well from a basketball skill standpoint? Woods I think may actually have had more refined NBA skills.


1) I agree, I would like the Knicks to sign him to a team friendly 2 year guaranteed, 1 year team option deal. Probably not even at a real increase on his rookie salary. He should have made around 9 mil on his last year of his rookie deal, and I think he would accept that for 2 years with a thirds team option.

2) Qyntel Woods has one decent run, Josh avg 13 pt scorer as a rookie player, and the only real knock on his scoring is his 3 ball

3) Your right about his skill set not being set, but he continues to show more and more consistent flashes of being able to play at the NBA level as a legit two way player.

4) Yes, he was a immature knucklehead in Phoenix. However, he has kept his nose clean, went to the G league, and given more opportunity on the team due to injuries played better.

I like players like Josh and Christian Wood for the knicks. Its not pretty moves but we’re not a pretty team. Plus I feel like teams with decent “proven” youth made moves to keep them.
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Post#398 » by spree2kawhi » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:49 am

Frank/FVV/Sexton/Anthony
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Post#399 » by digitaldropoff » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:06 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Frank/FVV/Sexton/Anthony
Hield/Edwards/Beal/Booker/Bodan/Forbes/L. Walker
RJ
Grant/Bertans/Markkanen/Love
Mitch


A wish list like that, I think you're going to be very disappointed.
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Post#400 » by WargamesX » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:44 pm

Joe Harris is another reasonable FA acquisition since the roster needs shooting
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