2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[malik959]

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reading stuff like this makes me want to draft him even more. Being dragged all over the world by his crazy old man really gave him some character.

My personal take is that folks seem dead set on making LaMelo into this villain character.

They are so eager to jump on every weakness, every little thing that seems to be out of place, anything that is said, implied or rumored that is negative becomes fact and is blown up...all to try to take the kid down a notch. Not sure why. Cause he's a Ball? Cause he comes off as arrogant? This isn't the Boy Scouts or a Miss Congeniality Contest. Cause he has weaknesses to his game? Everyone of these freaking guys do. That's why folks are saying that this draft doesn't have a Zion like (or even Ja like) player at the top.

But stuff like this? They'll ignore and rationalize away cause it doesn't fit the Ball narrative as this selfish, arrogant, lazy prick (and a near Anti-Christ like personality).

It's crazy.

It's really not that, he's been in the limelight so much that we're able to see his negatives, especially on defense. In Lithuania his teammates were happy to see him go and called him lazy. He's famous for having a 90pt high school game and if you watch the whole game he cherry picks the whole game. To me he is just over hyped and it's mainly because of his family, but I'll wait until workouts come up, that's when we see players dropping and jumping up in the draft.

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[blanko]

Not sure if posted so posting. A guy that I really do like and think will do well in the right situation in the NBA.

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His explosiveness is absolutely elite. He's super athletic (probably one of the best in college basketball), he's strong like a bull, very fluid with either hand around the basket (floaters, finger rolls, dunks), has a quick shot from 3, elite hang time to adjust his shot mid air, defends the passing lane very well, can hold his position inside on both sides of the ball, rebounds. He does things that you see only the top players in the NBA do.

There is a belief that had the NCAA season not been shutdown essentially he would have been a candidate to skyrocket up the draft boards come tournament time. As it is he probably won't be around by the Clippers pick. If he is, I'd be seriously looking at taking him. I'd also consider trading up a bit to get him if I'm not comfortable he'd be around at 27 or whatever.

We can always move up, got enough 2nd rounders. But is he worth the extra cost?

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[malik959]

Sense we're hyping Stanley up let's check out a full game:

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[moocow007]

reading stuff like this makes me want to draft him even more. Being dragged all over the world by his crazy old man really gave him some character.

My personal take is that folks seem dead set on making LaMelo into this villain character.

They are so eager to jump on every weakness, every little thing that seems to be out of place, anything that is said, implied or rumored that is negative becomes fact and is blown up...all to try to take the kid down a notch. Not sure why. Cause he's a Ball? Cause he comes off as arrogant? This isn't the Boy Scouts or a Miss Congeniality Contest. Cause he has weaknesses to his game? Everyone of these freaking guys do. That's why folks are saying that this draft doesn't have a Zion like (or even Ja like) player at the top.

But stuff like this? They'll ignore and rationalize away cause it doesn't fit the Ball narrative as this selfish, arrogant, lazy prick (and a near Anti-Christ like personality).

It's crazy.

It's really not that, he's been in the limelight so much that we're able to see his negatives, especially on defense. In Lithuania his teammates were happy to see him go and called him lazy. He's famous for having a 90pt high school game and if you watch the whole game he cherry picks the whole game. To me he is just over hyped and it's mainly because of his family, but I'll wait until workouts come up, that's when we see players dropping and jumping up in the draft.

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So what's your opinion of what Ball just did? And what would you say about that as a person? What do you think his Hawks teammates think about him?

And it really is that. Maybe not you (I can't say) but it's pretty clear that there is an agenda against him. By the media who hates his dad who then feeds the masses who take what the media says and runs with it. And A LOT of young players like that do that. Let's not make it out that Ball is the only one that realizes he's better than most everyone else he plays against in HS and coasts or acts like a prima donna. But you don't see the media hounding every HS phenom like they do Ball and reporting every little thing that is not right do you? The answer is no. LaMelo Ball is a caricature that the media creates and fans unwittingly follow. It's like the shooting. Folks keep harping on it and don't realize that most of these guys at the top cannot shoot. But the way it's played it seems like Ball is the only guy that can't shoot. Believe me, I'm not a Ball fan. I didn't think his brother Lonzo was as good as he was being hyped (you can check the history of my posts about him). I'm not saying that LaMelo is a guarantee either. Just really pointing out the weird dynamic that is going on that folks may not even be aware they have fallen into.

[moocow007]

Sam Vecenie released a new big board...Ball #1 with the highest upside...Agree with that take

Wait...I thought shooters were.

Its almost as if you didn't watch the last draft when people were severely reaching for shooters. Playmakers (especially ones that don't play defense) are good and all, but we at the point when we need shooters at our other positions.

What "point" are we at? We're one of the worst teams in the NBA and one of the least talented. We have no sure bet cornerstone players to build around. In fact if we take our best player and compare him to the best player of every other team in the NBA, we may not be able to win any of those comparisons. So why on earth would the Knicks be at a point where the biggest need is "shooters"????

Teams like the Lakers and the Clippers need shooters. The Knicks? The Knicks need much much more than that to be viable.

The Knicks struggle to create easy opportunities...even for the shooters that they do have. Where's the proof? The fact that the Knicks have to rely on Julius Randle to touch and manage the ball as much as he has, the fact that they have tried RJ Barret as a PG. That's the proof. And they do have "shooters" it's just hard to notice cause they are forced to take ugly low percentage shots late in the shot clock or with opposing defenses set...and that's if they even get the ball without Randle fumbling it away or some other guy tries to do more than he should to create shots. They don't have anyone that can consistently break down and defense and score himself or draw defenses away from and create optimal opportunities for their shooters to shoot. They don't have anyone that can be relied on when no play materializes and they are down to be able to score efficiently on their own to get them back into the play or back into the game. Elite teams are elite cause they have those types of front end guys.

You do realize that shooting is easier when the ball is gotten into the shooters hands when the defense isn't set to defend that shooter right? THAT is "playmaking" and "shotcreating". There's a reason why the Knicks went after Durant and Irving. It wasn't for their shooting ability. There's a reason why teams max out elite play makers and shot creators. You throw a shooter or two on this team and what do you think will happen? Who is going to get the ball to these shooters so that they can get optimal looks at the basket?

I'm really not sure where the notion that "all it takes is to get a whole bunch of shooters and you're set" comes from that people have gone insane about. "Shooters" is NOT the reason that the Warriors were great. Elite play making and top tier shot creators that could score at will from anywhere on the court was. Guys that can move the ball, create shots for themselves and others AND shoot when the pressure is on, when the shotclock is winding down, when what you do can make or break a game or a season. Not just shoot.

The top teams have one thing in common...they have elite play makers and shot creators. The Knicks have ZERO of those. If the goal is to build a top team they need guys that can make plays and create shots for himself and his teammates easily. It's almost like you didn't watch winning basketball (see I can insult you the same way you insulted me).

Scan the free agency list. How many shooters are there that will be free agents. Now tell me how many elite playmakers and shotcreators there will be. I can guarantee you there are a lot more available shooters. If you're dead set on shooting, the Knicks will have a LOT of capspace that they can use on shooters. Elite playmakers? Their only realistic option right now is to trade for a soon to be 35 year old Chris Paul. That is not exactly a great option or something that they should just do.

[malik959]

My personal take is that folks seem dead set on making LaMelo into this villain character.

They are so eager to jump on every weakness, every little thing that seems to be out of place, anything that is said, implied or rumored that is negative becomes fact and is blown up...all to try to take the kid down a notch. Not sure why. Cause he's a Ball? Cause he comes off as arrogant? This isn't the Boy Scouts or a Miss Congeniality Contest. Cause he has weaknesses to his game? Everyone of these freaking guys do. That's why folks are saying that this draft doesn't have a Zion like (or even Ja like) player at the top.

But stuff like this? They'll ignore and rationalize away cause it doesn't fit the Ball narrative as this selfish, arrogant, lazy prick (and a near Anti-Christ like personality).

It's crazy.

It's really not that, he's been in the limelight so much that we're able to see his negatives, especially on defense. In Lithuania his teammates were happy to see him go and called him lazy. He's famous for having a 90pt high school game and if you watch the whole game he cherry picks the whole game. To me he is just over hyped and it's mainly because of his family, but I'll wait until workouts come up, that's when we see players dropping and jumping up in the draft.

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So what's your opinion of what Ball just did? And what would you say about that as a person? What do you think his Hawks teammates think about him?

And it really is that. Maybe not you (I can't say) but it's pretty clear that there is an agenda against him. By the media who hates his dad who then feeds the masses who take what the media says and runs with it. And A LOT of young players like that do that. Let's not make it out that Ball is the only one that realizes he's better than most everyone else he plays against in HS and coasts or acts like a prima donna. But you don't see the media hounding every HS phenom like they do Ball and reporting every little thing that is not right do you? The answer is no. LaMelo Ball is a caricature that the media creates and fans unwittingly follow. It's like the shooting. Folks keep harping on it and don't realize that most of these guys at the top cannot shoot. But the way it's played it seems like Ball is the only guy that can't shoot. Believe me, I'm not a Ball fan. I didn't think his brother Lonzo was as good as he was being hyped (you can check the history of my posts about him). I'm not saying that LaMelo is a guarantee either. Just really pointing out the weird dynamic that is going on that folks may not even be aware they have fallen into.

I've never been one to judge a player by his off court antics, but I do think that it is a very positive thing for him to buy their team. I myself judge players for their play on the court and for that I strongly believe he is overrated. When I look at players that are being drafted high up for one they should be two way players. Melo is not. The only skill he has that translates to the NBA is his handle and the way he controls his offense. Sounds like his brother who is now starting to look decent. People keep saying that "oh his shot will improve', the same people that are giving up on Knox and Frank because of their shooting numbers right?

[moocow007]

It's really not that, he's been in the limelight so much that we're able to see his negatives, especially on defense. In Lithuania his teammates were happy to see him go and called him lazy. He's famous for having a 90pt high school game and if you watch the whole game he cherry picks the whole game. To me he is just over hyped and it's mainly because of his family, but I'll wait until workouts come up, that's when we see players dropping and jumping up in the draft.

Watch on YouTube

So what's your opinion of what Ball just did? And what would you say about that as a person? What do you think his Hawks teammates think about him?

And it really is that. Maybe not you (I can't say) but it's pretty clear that there is an agenda against him. By the media who hates his dad who then feeds the masses who take what the media says and runs with it. And A LOT of young players like that do that. Let's not make it out that Ball is the only one that realizes he's better than most everyone else he plays against in HS and coasts or acts like a prima donna. But you don't see the media hounding every HS phenom like they do Ball and reporting every little thing that is not right do you? The answer is no. LaMelo Ball is a caricature that the media creates and fans unwittingly follow. It's like the shooting. Folks keep harping on it and don't realize that most of these guys at the top cannot shoot. But the way it's played it seems like Ball is the only guy that can't shoot. Believe me, I'm not a Ball fan. I didn't think his brother Lonzo was as good as he was being hyped (you can check the history of my posts about him). I'm not saying that LaMelo is a guarantee either. Just really pointing out the weird dynamic that is going on that folks may not even be aware they have fallen into.

I've never been one to judge a player by his off court antics, but I do think that it is a very positive thing for him to buy their team. I myself judge players for their play on the court and for that I strongly believe he is overrated. When I look at players that are being drafted high up for one they should be two way players. Melo is not. The only skill he has that translates to the NBA is his handle and the way he controls his offense. Sounds like his brother who is now starting to look decent. People keep saying that "oh his shot will improve', the same people that are giving up on Knox and Frank because of their shooting numbers right?

Does Frank or Knox have a brother that has the same form, the same competitiveness, the same shooting form that has shown that he can improve? Why are you ignoring the fact that Lamelo's own brother Lonzo, who owns the same ugly shooting form and who looked like he wouldn't be able to shoot, has figured out how to actually shoot?

As far as you never being one to judge a player by his off court antics? Dude, you posted a vid of teammates complaining about not liking him due to his antics as an argument for why he won't be successful.

[malik959]

So what's your opinion of what Ball just did? And what would you say about that as a person? What do you think his Hawks teammates think about him?

And it really is that. Maybe not you (I can't say) but it's pretty clear that there is an agenda against him. By the media who hates his dad who then feeds the masses who take what the media says and runs with it. And A LOT of young players like that do that. Let's not make it out that Ball is the only one that realizes he's better than most everyone else he plays against in HS and coasts or acts like a prima donna. But you don't see the media hounding every HS phenom like they do Ball and reporting every little thing that is not right do you? The answer is no. LaMelo Ball is a caricature that the media creates and fans unwittingly follow. It's like the shooting. Folks keep harping on it and don't realize that most of these guys at the top cannot shoot. But the way it's played it seems like Ball is the only guy that can't shoot. Believe me, I'm not a Ball fan. I didn't think his brother Lonzo was as good as he was being hyped (you can check the history of my posts about him). I'm not saying that LaMelo is a guarantee either. Just really pointing out the weird dynamic that is going on that folks may not even be aware they have fallen into.

I've never been one to judge a player by his off court antics, but I do think that it is a very positive thing for him to buy their team. I myself judge players for their play on the court and for that I strongly believe he is overrated. When I look at players that are being drafted high up for one they should be two way players. Melo is not. The only skill he has that translates to the NBA is his handle and the way he controls his offense. Sounds like his brother who is now starting to look decent. People keep saying that "oh his shot will improve', the same people that are giving up on Knox and Frank because of their shooting numbers right?

Does Frank or Knox have a brother that has the same form, the same competitiveness, the same shooting form that has shown that he can improve? Why are you ignoring the fact that Lamelo's own brother Lonzo, who owns the same ugly shooting form and who looked like he wouldn't be able to shoot, has figured out how to actually shoot?

As far as you never being one to judge a player by his off court antics? Dude, you posted a vid of teammates complaining about not liking him due to his antics as an argument for why he won't be successful.

First off that was just one thing and Yeah his antics of being lazy is huge. I'm sorry if that's something I don't care to have on my team. Also his brother shot 40% from 3 in College so as far as his shot of course it was expected to get better, but 20%? Melo is a bad shot taker and a show off. He thrives off dancing with the ball as if every game was an and 1 match. If this is what your ready to watch than I don't know what to say:

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He has the moves to get to the rim, but can't get the ball in the hoop to save his life.

[robillionaire]

I've never been one to judge a player by his off court antics, but I do think that it is a very positive thing for him to buy their team. I myself judge players for their play on the court and for that I strongly believe he is overrated. When I look at players that are being drafted high up for one they should be two way players. Melo is not. The only skill he has that translates to the NBA is his handle and the way he controls his offense. Sounds like his brother who is now starting to look decent. People keep saying that "oh his shot will improve', the same people that are giving up on Knox and Frank because of their shooting numbers right?

Does Frank or Knox have a brother that has the same form, the same competitiveness, the same shooting form that has shown that he can improve? Why are you ignoring the fact that Lamelo's own brother Lonzo, who owns the same ugly shooting form and who looked like he wouldn't be able to shoot, has figured out how to actually shoot?

As far as you never being one to judge a player by his off court antics? Dude, you posted a vid of teammates complaining about not liking him due to his antics as an argument for why he won't be successful.

First off that was just one thing and Yeah his antics of being lazy is huge. I'm sorry if that's something I don't care to have on my team. Also his brother shot 40% from 3 in College so as far as his shot of course it was expected to get better, but 20%? Melo is a bad shot taker and a show off. He thrives off dancing with the ball as if every game was an and 1 match. If this is what your ready to watch than I don't know what to say:

Watch on YouTube

He has the moves to get to the rim, but can't get the ball in the hoop to save his life.

that was his worst game but he played them again a few weeks later and had a triple double. he was getting better as the season progressed even after teams could game plan for him

i'm ready for showtime

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[Zenzibar]

Sense we're hyping Stanley up let's check out a full game:

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Stanley is a stud and some sites have said, if not for termination of the tournament, Cassius would have been one of the players shooting up the mocks.

Also, Tre Jones is really really good in these highlights and will be a STEAL.

[robillionaire]

I had been looking at Cassius with that clippers pick hoping he could fall to us there mostly because he’s still a young player and he has upside however he has some notable holes in his game primarily that can’t shoot very well, he’s got nice athleticism though

[malik959]

Does Frank or Knox have a brother that has the same form, the same competitiveness, the same shooting form that has shown that he can improve? Why are you ignoring the fact that Lamelo's own brother Lonzo, who owns the same ugly shooting form and who looked like he wouldn't be able to shoot, has figured out how to actually shoot?

As far as you never being one to judge a player by his off court antics? Dude, you posted a vid of teammates complaining about not liking him due to his antics as an argument for why he won't be successful.

First off that was just one thing and Yeah his antics of being lazy is huge. I'm sorry if that's something I don't care to have on my team. Also his brother shot 40% from 3 in College so as far as his shot of course it was expected to get better, but 20%? Melo is a bad shot taker and a show off. He thrives off dancing with the ball as if every game was an and 1 match. If this is what your ready to watch than I don't know what to say:

Watch on YouTube

He has the moves to get to the rim, but can't get the ball in the hoop to save his life.

that was his worst game but he played them again a few weeks later and had a triple double. he was getting better as the season progressed even after teams could game plan for him

i'm ready for showtime

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Yet he still shot 1 for 11 from 3 that game, but I'm not going to take away from the point that he a good game, but your not getting my point. I've said it before he's a great passer, just like Frank is a great defender. But his flaws are just as great, if not worse, than the point guard we already have and should not be considered a top 5 pick. He can't shoot and he's very

LAZY

on defense. He's been like this sense being on film and it has not changed. His positional awareness on defense is worse than Knox, that's real bad. Just imagine having Calderon back on this team except without the 41% 3pt shooting.

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[RHODEY]

I had been looking at Cassius with that clippers pick hoping he could fall to us there mostly because he’s still a young player and he has upside however he has some notable holes in his game primarily that can’t shoot very well, he’s got nice athleticism though

36% from 3....not bad.

[malik959]

6th Killian or Anthony
27th Cassius

Sounds good to me I'm down

[robillionaire]

First off that was just one thing and Yeah his antics of being lazy is huge. I'm sorry if that's something I don't care to have on my team. Also his brother shot 40% from 3 in College so as far as his shot of course it was expected to get better, but 20%? Melo is a bad shot taker and a show off. He thrives off dancing with the ball as if every game was an and 1 match. If this is what your ready to watch than I don't know what to say:

Watch on YouTube

He has the moves to get to the rim, but can't get the ball in the hoop to save his life.

that was his worst game but he played them again a few weeks later and had a triple double. he was getting better as the season progressed even after teams could game plan for him

i'm ready for showtime

Watch on YouTube

Yet he still shot 1 for 11 from 3 that game, but I'm not going to take away from the point that he a good game, but your not getting my point. I've said it before he's a great passer, just like Frank is a great defender. But his flaws are just as great, if not worse, than the point guard we already have and should not be considered a top 5 pick. He can't shoot and he's very

LAZY

on defense. He's been like this sense being on film and it has not changed. His positional awareness on defense is worse than Knox, that's real bad. Just imagine having Calderon back on this team except without the 41% 3pt shooting.

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If nothing else he’s 5 inches taller than Jose Calderon just by virtue of being 6’8 it will help especially when he starts to get stronger

[RHODEY]

6th Killian or Anthony
27th Cassius

Sounds good to me I'm down

What if Aaron Nesmith is still available at 27?

[Gravy]

First off that was just one thing and Yeah his antics of being lazy is huge. I'm sorry if that's something I don't care to have on my team. Also his brother shot 40% from 3 in College so as far as his shot of course it was expected to get better, but 20%? Melo is a bad shot taker and a show off. He thrives off dancing with the ball as if every game was an and 1 match. If this is what your ready to watch than I don't know what to say:

Watch on YouTube

He has the moves to get to the rim, but can't get the ball in the hoop to save his life.

that was his worst game but he played them again a few weeks later and had a triple double. he was getting better as the season progressed even after teams could game plan for him

i'm ready for showtime

Watch on YouTube

Yet he still shot 1 for 11 from 3 that game, but I'm not going to take away from the point that he a good game, but your not getting my point. I've said it before he's a great passer, just like Frank is a great defender. But his flaws are just as great, if not worse, than the point guard we already have and should not be considered a top 5 pick. He can't shoot and he's very

LAZY

on defense. He's been like this sense being on film and it has not changed. His positional awareness on defense is worse than Knox, that's real bad. Just imagine having Calderon back on this team except without the 41% 3pt shooting.

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Lamelo is Jose Calderon now??? Did yall hate Morant and Trae Young this much too

[blanko]

He will be gone by the time we draft anyway

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[robillionaire]

that was his worst game but he played them again a few weeks later and had a triple double. he was getting better as the season progressed even after teams could game plan for him

i'm ready for showtime

Watch on YouTube

Yet he still shot 1 for 11 from 3 that game, but I'm not going to take away from the point that he a good game, but your not getting my point. I've said it before he's a great passer, just like Frank is a great defender. But his flaws are just as great, if not worse, than the point guard we already have and should not be considered a top 5 pick. He can't shoot and he's very

LAZY

on defense. He's been like this sense being on film and it has not changed. His positional awareness on defense is worse than Knox, that's real bad. Just imagine having Calderon back on this team except without the 41% 3pt shooting.

Watch on YouTube

Lamelo is Jose Calderon now??? Did yall hate Morant and Trae Young this much too

tbh, yes they did

[robillionaire]

6th Killian or Anthony
27th Cassius

Sounds good to me I'm down

What if Aaron Nesmith is still available at 27?

we have 38 too, maybe we get lucky and one of these dudes falls there