Capn'O wrote: There were clearly RWB discussions though. Just sounds like we took a stance of give picks or pound sand. Which, I think, was the correct stance but also one that was unlikely to yield. Houston, in particular, has limited control over their pick so they're gonna want to give this band one last swan song.
For sure, but there was no deal, that's my point and people were reporting it as a Failed Plan A which I think is bogus reporting. They don't know that and it was not necessarily what they wanted for sure, but I'm sure they explored all of their options including those big hairy contracts or Hayward's. And people here were then running with confirmation it was in fact Plan A in order to villify Rose which is pretty nutz IMO
Just like the Hield rumor last night: Knicks probably did talk to SAC just like they talked to HOU to see what they wanted.
I mean that's what these FO leaders are supposed to do, pick each others' brains and feel each other out. You could be gathering small data points for a future trade as much as a current potential one. And sometimes major deals happen with no particular intent when you pick up the phone or answer a call from another club. They just talk sometimes to find out where their interests overlap
What if we did land four first rounders for a big gnarly contract? Maybe Rose bites. But that wasn't there evidently so nada
I didn't get the sense that there was a ranked plan. Basically a set of criteria to move from. Not taking on bad salary without a significant asset seemed to be a piece of it. I wonder how serious we were about getting Hayward. It seemed like in some cases we were just acting to drive up values but it's hard to tell. That would have been a smart thing to do anyway.
That's fair and more accurate IMO
Per driving up values, Rose knows that game so maybe the shoe is finaly on the other foot and agents/players won't be able to use the Knicks any longer to jack their ask and leave us at the altar
So I'm more inclined to believe that than anything, though I do think they probably asked for what they didn't expect to get in deals like WB since it is unlikely Leon Rose is starting his tenure thinking yeah let's get Westbrook, that'll fix it (insert Jon Lovitz here)
Clyde_Style wrote: For sure, but there was no deal, that's my point and people were reporting it as a Failed Plan A which I think is bogus reporting. They don't know that and it was not necessarily what they wanted for sure, but I'm sure they explored all of their options including those big hairy contracts or Hayward's. And people here were then running with confirmation it was in fact Plan A in order to villify Rose which is pretty nutz IMO
Just like the Hield rumor last night: Knicks probably did talk to SAC just like they talked to HOU to see what they wanted.
I mean that's what these FO leaders are supposed to do, pick each others' brains and feel each other out. You could be gathering small data points for a future trade as much as a current potential one. And sometimes major deals happen with no particular intent when you pick up the phone or answer a call from another club. They just talk sometimes to find out where their interests overlap
What if we did land four first rounders for a big gnarly contract? Maybe Rose bites. But that wasn't there evidently so nada
I didn't get the sense that there was a ranked plan. Basically a set of criteria to move from. Not taking on bad salary without a significant asset seemed to be a piece of it. I wonder how serious we were about getting Hayward. It seemed like in some cases we were just acting to drive up values but it's hard to tell. That would have been a smart thing to do anyway.
That's fair and more accurate IMO
Per driving up values, Rose knows that game so maybe the shoe is finaly on the other foot and agents/players won't be able to use the Knicks any longer to jack their ask and leave us at the altar
So I'm more inclined to believe that than anything, though I do think they probably asked for what they didn't expect to get in deals like WB since it is unlikely Leon Rose is starting his tenure thinking yeah let's get Westbrook, that'll fix it (insert Jon Lovitz here)
That's true. Rose would be an expert on that front. He should know value. Lord knows he's leveraged the Knicks to get his clients paid either here or elsewhere before.
snadler wrote:Which if any of the 1 year free agent deals that Knicks signed will have any trade value at the deadline?
Rivers, if he produces. Very team friendly contract. Potentially Burks.
I hope we keep Rivers if he plays well. Not even because of his interview the other day, but because he's under contract for 3-years, meaning he could be part of the culture change if he plays well. It's hard to build an identity with a revolving door roster.
snadler wrote:Which if any of the 1 year free agent deals that Knicks signed will have any trade value at the deadline?
Rivers, if he produces. Very team friendly contract. Potentially Burks.
I hope we keep Rivers if he plays well. Not even because of his interview the other day, but because he's under contract for 3-years, meaning he could be part of the culture change if he plays well. It's hard to build an identity with a revolving door roster.
It's a sick deal. I'm inclined to think he'll be here for a while
but if I'm wrong it is because all of the guys Rose signed are decent journeymen on great deals for the club which may be why a team will demand one or some of them are thrown into a deal because at the right moment those kinds of contracts can really help a team.
I do expect Rose is look at every single player and contact in terms of asset value right now until he knows exactly which players they're building a lasting plan with and which he can let go or trade
Capn'O wrote: Rivers, if he produces. Very team friendly contract. Potentially Burks or Noel.
All highly viable trade pieces unlike last year. We got lucky with Morris IMO
No they're not. Theres more value in keeping these guys as opposed to picking up a 2nd for either of them
Other than Rivers...these players are all more valuable as trade pieces than keeping. They will need a new deal next year. Getting an asset instead of letting them walk is value...right? Am I missing something?
Capn'O wrote: Rivers, if he produces. Very team friendly contract. Potentially Burks or Noel.
Burks and Bullock are basically the same player. Same size, age, position, skill set, salary. One or both will definitely be available for a trade.
The career average of Burks is more than 8 attempts for 20 minutes of play. While Bullock shots less than 6 in 20 minutes.
More than 70% of Burks shots were 2s. While only 40% of Bullock shots are 3s.
Burks is more of a scorer. Recently, he is trying to hit more 3s (especially on the Sixers).
Bullock is the archetype low usage 3&D player.
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I stand corrected and apologize for my low-effort high-falutin lazy-ass generalization (although your wordsmithing is top notch—70% twos is the same as 30% threes, which is only 10% more than 20. But I digress.)
The two are very similar and have redundancies that make each a good bet trade fodder.
cgmw wrote:Burks and Bullock are basically the same player. Same size, age, position, skill set, salary. One or both will definitely be available for a trade.
The career average of Burks is more than 8 attempts for 20 minutes of play. While Bullock shots less than 6 in 20 minutes.
More than 70% of Burks shots were 2s. While only 40% of Bullock shots are 3s.
Burks is more of a scorer. Recently, he is trying to hit more 3s (especially on the Sixers).
Bullock is the archetype low usage 3&D player.
I love this place.
I apologize for my low-effort high-falutin lazy-ass generalization, although your wordsmithing is too notch. 70% twos is the same as 30% threes, which is only 10% more than 20. But I digress.
The two are very similar and have redundancies that make each a good bet trade fodder.
I fixed my post. I mean Burks is a "career 70% 2 shot attempts" while Bullock is a "career 40% 2 shot attempts"...
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They say the NBA season — even a shortened 72-game campaign — is a marathon. Let’s hope Obi Toppin’s record-setting conditioning pays off in his rookie season.
Toppin, the eighth pick in the draft last month, revealed he scored the highest in the franchise’s conditioning test, which is believed to consist of mostly running drills.
“I feel like with my athletic ability, my speed, the way I move my body, I understand my body, and I understand the things I need to do to get better and to take my game to another level so I’m locked in,’’ Toppin said. “I’m at another level, I’m not in college anymore, and I’m locked into what I have to do to be great.”
