Knicks - Cavs PG

[HEZI]

Notice how Quickly just knew what to do and how to balance his aggressiveness in scoring and also knowing how to swing the ball around to the right guys at the right time without needing Thibs to hold his hand and call every play for him?

Quickly just operated on skill and instincts

He looked like a PG to me

I think he's a combo guard but he comes with a good set of skills and has a solid understanding of the game and can make nice reads and make good decisions. He can definitely be useful in two guard or three guard lineups or in one guard and multiple wings lineups.

[Clyde_Style]

Notice how Quickly just knew what to do and how to balance his aggressiveness in scoring and also knowing how to swing the ball around to the right guys at the right time without needing Thibs to hold his hand and call every play for him?

Quickly just operated on skill and instincts

He looked like a PG to me

I think he's a combo guard but he comes with a good set of skills and has a solid understanding of the game and can make nice reads and make good decisions. He can definitely be useful in two guard or three guard lineups or in one guard and multiple wings lineups.

You could make the distinction that there are combo guards who do spot duty at PG and then there are combo guards who can play the PG position but are also able to play the scoring role in a less ball dominant role. I'm beginning to think Calipari sort of deflected his trajectory as a PG, but that it will assert itself now and he'll end up being our PG this year. Maybe he becomes a combo or straight up SG if we draft or sign an elite PG, but what if IQ is actually the answer?

IOW, I don't think we know the answer yet, but I'd just give him the keys and find out. It won't ruin him. He loves the intensity so he will only learn from it, not get damaged by any setbacks.

[Besart19]

Quickley is our Mitchell redemption

Toppin is Porter's!

We need an elite shooter at wing and Barrett has a mandatory duty to improve his shot! His release is a bit slow, too! If he doesnt become a threat shooting from perimeter and post ups than we might need to find a trade partner! With Mitch and Obi this is even more important!

Randle, Bullock, Smith Jr and two 2nd rounders for Hield

Quickley / Rivers / Payton
Hield / Ntilikina / Powell
Barrett / Knox / Burks
Obi / Knox / Brazdeikis
Mitch / Noel / Spellman

KP trade becomes basically Hield and two first rounders plus getting rid of THJ and Lee

[BrownBearKing]

Mitch should get a lot of love for how smart and dominate in that 4th quarter. His defense as much as IQ's pg play turned that game around.

Who were the Cavs playing in the 4th quarter? Was Drummond there?

Legit question I couldn’t watch.

Dotson was there .

[Garbagelo]

He looked like a PG to me

I think he's a combo guard but he comes with a good set of skills and has a solid understanding of the game and can make nice reads and make good decisions. He can definitely be useful in two guard or three guard lineups or in one guard and multiple wings lineups.

You could make the distinction that there are combo guards who do spot duty at PG and then there are combo guards who can play the PG position but are also able to play the scoring role in a less ball dominant role. I'm beginning to think Calipari sort of deflected his trajectory as a PG, but that it will assert itself now and he'll end up being our PG this year. Maybe he becomes a combo or straight up SG if we draft or sign an elite PG, but what if IQ is actually the answer?

IOW, I don't think we know the answer yet, but I'd just give him the keys and find out. It won't ruin him. He loves the intensity so he will only learn from it, not get damaged by any setbacks.

From what I saw tonight, I saw a modern guard, quick and decisive and able to run the point in stretches but also can get off screens and hit shots.

None of our other guards can do this with the quickness and speed that he can (his foot speed is maybe just slightly lower that Kira Lewis).

This is precisely the kind of guy you put next to RJ Barrett and with Obi Toppin. RJ needs a shooting PG who doesn't necessarily need to run the offense all the time. Toppin needs a quick PG who can draw attention away from him so he can get open shots and use his verticallity. Put in Frank or Knox with them and they can fulfill the roles that the team needs depending on match up.

You got yourself a lineup right there.

[TruthBeTold]

Quickley: Knicks need to start Quickley in the last preseason game, so he can work on his PG skills for the start of the season. They need his shooting.

DSJ is DONE! That confidence is gone and it's not coming back. If the Knicks can still trade him before the start of the season, I suggest they do it.

Payton: Can someone tell Payton to stop shooting because he REALLY SUCK AT IT! He has no business starting a NBA game.

OBI: I think Obi is going to struggle shooting from the outside this season. I don't think he is ready to be a stretch four. He does his best work inside and around the paint and the Knicks need to get him there.

RJ: Should have a solid second year if if his shooting continues to improve.

Frank: I honestly think Frank doesn't want to be a Knick anymore. I think he wants to try another team and if thinks don't workout, France is his top option. This is just me speculating base on gut feeling.

Knox: Preseason will not tell the full truth about Knox. You knicks fans will have to wait for the regular season. Maybe a good PG can help take his game to the next level.

Cavs Okoro: I think he can shoot better than indicated. He knocked those free throws down with ease. If he SHOOTS well in the regular season, Cavs will have a good young player.

[HEZI]

He looked like a PG to me

I think he's a combo guard but he comes with a good set of skills and has a solid understanding of the game and can make nice reads and make good decisions. He can definitely be useful in two guard or three guard lineups or in one guard and multiple wings lineups.

You could make the distinction that there are combo guards who do spot duty at PG and then there are combo guards who can play the PG position but are also able to play the scoring role in a less ball dominant role. I'm beginning to think Calipari sort of deflected his trajectory as a PG, but that it will assert itself now and he'll end up being our PG this year. Maybe he becomes a combo or straight up SG if we draft or sign an elite PG, but what if IQ is actually the answer?

IOW, I don't think we know the answer yet, but I'd just give him the keys and find out. It won't ruin him. He loves the intensity so he will only learn from it, not get damaged by any setbacks.

Still need to see more from him at the lead guard spot especially when the better teams in the league start putting pressure on him and start to attack him on offense so we still gotta see how he responds to that but for sure I got no problems with throwing him out there and seeing what he's got.

Take the ball out of Randle's hands, give it to IQ and RJ and see how it works.

[Clyde_Style]

I think he's a combo guard but he comes with a good set of skills and has a solid understanding of the game and can make nice reads and make good decisions. He can definitely be useful in two guard or three guard lineups or in one guard and multiple wings lineups.

You could make the distinction that there are combo guards who do spot duty at PG and then there are combo guards who can play the PG position but are also able to play the scoring role in a less ball dominant role. I'm beginning to think Calipari sort of deflected his trajectory as a PG, but that it will assert itself now and he'll end up being our PG this year. Maybe he becomes a combo or straight up SG if we draft or sign an elite PG, but what if IQ is actually the answer?

IOW, I don't think we know the answer yet, but I'd just give him the keys and find out. It won't ruin him. He loves the intensity so he will only learn from it, not get damaged by any setbacks.

From what I saw tonight, I saw a modern guard, quick and decisive and able to run the point in stretches but also can get off screens and hit shots.

None of our other guards can do this with the quickness and speed that he can (his foot speed is maybe just slightly lower that Kira Lewis).

This is precisely the kind of guy you put next to RJ Barrett and with Obi Toppin. RJ needs a shooting PG who doesn't necessarily need to run the offense all the time. Toppin needs a quick PG who can draw attention away from him so he can get open shots and use his verticallity. Put in Frank or Knox with them and they can fulfill the roles that the team needs depending on match up.

You got yourself a lineup right there.

It is a good point that with RJ you don't necessarily need or even want a too ball dominant PG, but a fluid one who can play as well on the ball as off. IQ certainly fits that description to a T.

What matters is roster construction and if RJ is our guy, then I very much like the mix with IQ since they both seem smart enough and team oriented enough to learn to play off of each other.

This stuff is always about players reading each other and understanding how to slide into position based on what their teammates are doing. That's why Randle and Payton are so toxic. They literally only see each other first and everyone else becomes a secondary or even non-existent option. On any properly coached team every guy on the floor needs to relate to each other to become effective.

LSS, IQ seems like that guy right now. Look at what happened to Knox. He lit up like a Christmas tree and all he had to do was run to his spots, catch and shoot. Easy peasy.

This crap is sometimes made out to be more complicated than it needs to be. That's why you need that one guy at the point who is simultaneously dynamic, yet unselfish to unlock the rest of the team.

There is literally NO ONE ELSE on this roster besides IQ who fits that description. RJ is NOT a PG. He's a big SG who plays like a Point Forward which is a very different role even if they overlap like I was saying.

If Thibs doesn't respond to IQ's performance I'll be pretty disturbed since all of this is so blindingly obvious. Failing to see that would make me seriously question his coaching reputation.

[2010]

Randle was great

Randle gets too much hate on here...

I see his improvement under Thibs, he’s looking to pass out of the post much more and playing better defense...

It’s a process, but I see good things from him too

Spoiler:

[TheDavinciCHODE]

Nice win!

Can't wait to Payton and Randal get all of the minutes again next game.

[aq_ua]

Everything from Randle thinking he’s a point forward, to RJ having to go one on one on the perimeter, to the lack of good three point looks we’re getting all comes down to one common denominator.

Elfrid Payton should not be playing.

The guy can’t shoot, can’t create, can’t organize the team. He’s the reason teams run zone defenses against us and why it’s so easy to double team Randle and RJ.

I totally get why we needed a veteran point guard of some sort given our other options at the position, but since we’re not using the cap space we have anyway, it really makes me question the decision not to take a more aggressive run at FVV, or any other veteran point guard that can shoot.

I’m now here thinking Austin Rivers has to be the stop gap solution at point guard until Quickley is ready to step up. That’s what it has come to.

[Clyde_Style]

I just saw in a replay Knox's three quarter court outlet pass to RJ. It was very well done.

EDIT: just found a tweet of it

He boarded and passed in one motion. That's top level stuff. That takes some kind of court awareness. Maybe his hoops IQ is growing

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[2010]

Quickley is a Billups archetype point guard. Only, it shouldn't take him 5 years to figure out how to be effective in the league.

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

I always thought the get rid of Payton and Randle train was a little over blown, but jesus christ. If this doesn't convince Thibs and Leon to play the young kids, I don't know what will.

I talk a lot to get a point across but tonight.....



Felt like going into Thibs office armed with a rolled printout of my posts and beat him with it.

[Clyde_Style]

Quickley is a Billups archetype point guard. Only, it shouldn't take him 5 years to figure out how to be effective in the league.

Hmmm, yeah, he could very well be in that mold. Probably a little more burst than Chauncey, but otherwise a good comp to aspire to

[Clyde_Style]

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[Oscirus]

Quickley is our Mitchell redemption

Toppin is Porter's!

We need an elite shooter at wing and Barrett has a mandatory duty to improve his shot! His release is a bit slow, too! If he doesnt become a threat shooting from perimeter and post ups than we might need to find a trade partner! With Mitch and Obi this is even more important!

Randle, Bullock, Smith Jr and two 2nd rounders for Hield

Quickley / Rivers / Payton
Hield / Ntilikina / Powell
Barrett / Knox / Burks
Obi / Knox / Brazdeikis
Mitch / Noel / Spellman

KP trade becomes basically Hield and two first rounders plus getting rid of THJ and Lee

Sacramento is not about to give us a diamond for that trash. If we could convince them to take that 23 1st of dallas's Id be good with that . But yet gonna take an agressive bid to get hield

[Montmorencie]

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[RiseOfTheEmpire]

Thibs will quickly ( <------ see that there) take the smile off your faces. i predict next game Quickley will be handcuffed by the coach and have a less impressive game just like Obi.

I think you're in the lead as most likely to start the "fire thibs" thread

Well, Thibs did let the kids play out the quarter. We haven't seen this in the recent past.

Fiz would have brought back Randle and Payton for the last 5 minutes, and we'd have all been shaking our heads. Some would have considered if life was worth living. And the negative comments on this board would have killed as many as the pandemic.

This is Thibs saving grace for me at least. His teams do play hard, and he dies to win, so whoever does that the hardest and gets him those W's, he'll ride with. It just might be fortunate for us that the youngins actually play harder, get more wins for him than his "vets".

Fizdale was just a puppet, at least Thibs is his own man, good or bad. I can respect that, and the reason I have hope for him....he's not stupid, and an actual coach, not just a rotation manager like Fizdale was.

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

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