Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[nedleeds]

There’s people in here that watched us struggle to get buckets all year that are against this?!?!

We struggled to get buckets because we played 3 starters that couldn't shoot a spot up standstill 3. We started a PG who the opposing defense completely ignored when he both had and didn't have the ball.

Sexton is an on ball, pound it and chuck player. He's Monte Ellis, Dion Waiters etc.. We need a Cam Johnson, or a Bridges or a Duncan Robinson who can keep the floor spread.

... assuming we're keeping and starting RJ Barrett and Randle.

[mpharris36]

I really hate stretching players. The 10+ year max guys will start at +$41mil so may be tough to fit into the cap too.

Feels like it could all just fall short of being a contending team and then set us back a few years.

you would really have to be certain a star was coming because I'm not trying to have Love on the books for like $10 MM for 3 years.

Fair

You also have to be certain Sexton is gonna be good enough to be worth it

If he comes without Love, I think you do this deal without hesitating. With Love, I could go either way.

agreed

[robillionaire]

I don’t think they will trade Toppin and are more likely to trade someone like Mitchell Robinson

They love Jarrett and wanna pay him 20 mill or something

Good point, I forgot about him

[nedleeds]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Obi is taking us where???

The Dunk Contest!

[robillionaire]

Surely we aren’t seriously considering stretching another player, did we learn nothing from last time? Is “stretched albatross contract” going to be a permanent position in our salary cap forever? Just pay them

[bronxknicksfan1]

There’s people in here that watched us struggle to get buckets all year that are against this?!?!

We struggled to get buckets because we played 3 starters that couldn't shoot a spot up standstill 3. We started a PG who the opposing defense completely ignored when he both had and didn't have the ball.

Sexton is an on ball, pound it and chuck player. He's Monte Ellis, Dion Waiters etc.. We need a Cam Johnson, or a Bridges or a Duncan Robinson who can keep the floor spread.

... assuming we're keeping and starting RJ Barrett and Randle.

…so more players in the mold of Reggie Bullock instead of a 24 ppg scorer? An efficient one at that.

[Celo]

I don't think his measurements have anything to do with his defensive ceiling - his drive/desire/aptitude/instincts on the defensive end do.

Jrue Holiday is 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan. Sexton has more than enough tools to compete defensively, it's just solely the instincts/desire portion of your initial post, and nothing to do with his wingspan.

Agree to disagree I guess. Having an average wingspan obviously isn't the end of the story regarding your defensive capabilities. But you can't tell me that it doesn't help having a longer wingspan. And there's a HUGE difference between a guy who's 6'4 with a 6'7 wingspan who also is strong as an ox compared to a 6'1 guard with a 6'5 wingspan who dies on every screen.

Yes, as I said, there is hope for some improvements from Sexton. I personally doubt that it'll be significant ones tho. If you think differently about that, that's totally fine. That's what this forum is for after all: to discuss different opinions

We can certainly agree to disagree, but you can't do the bolded nonsense where you just make up numbers. Sexton's wingspan is listed everywhere on the internet as 6'6.5".

And my only point was that your post mentioning his wingspan as a limitation on his defensive ceiling was totally false. He might be limited defensively - which I actually expect and agree with - but his wingspan won't have anything to do with it.

Man, so it's an inch longer than I said, so what!? it's still an average wingspan, nothing outstanding. In my eyes it definitely is a limiting factor if you're not having +instincts. In your book wingspan doesn't matter - or at least not in Collins case - fine.

[nedleeds]

I still think you guys are crazy if you think we get Sexton without taking back Love....or we have to pony up some better assets.

I’d take love if that’s the cost. He’d be a good stretch 5 if he stops getting injured. He’s sandbagging in Cleveland and has wanted out for years. Only on the books for 2 years anyway.

If I can't brainwash the FO to tank and we're in 7th seed now mode. I agree. Love can play 30 minutes a game and shoot 40% from 3 in his sleep. Mitch has injuries and can switch and play on the floor. But I don't want Sexton, I'd rather just trade for Love into our space and get younger players or picks.

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Love
2023 top 5 protected pick

Obi Toppin
Knox
2021 Dallas #1

[Deeeez Knicks]

I still think you guys are crazy if you think we get Sexton without taking back Love....or we have to pony up some better assets.

It depends on the bidding war. I’d agree with you if the Cavs were committed to keeping him on a max extension but it doesn’t look like they are. And then for the teams that are interested, they need to balance his pros and cons. If Love is coming back, I’m paying significantly less though.

His value goes down, but teams will probably pay something decent. It just seems like Obi/#19 wouldn't be enough though imo. They are gonna want to shed Love especially since it has been mutual

[Deeeez Knicks]

I still think you guys are crazy if you think we get Sexton without taking back Love....or we have to pony up some better assets.

I’d take love if that’s the cost. He’d be a good stretch 5 if he stops getting injured. He’s sandbagging in Cleveland and has wanted out for years. Only on the books for 2 years anyway.

I would pass on Love unless we have a way to move his contract. Its gonna take up too much cap space.

[3toheadmelo]

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[spree8]

I’d do Obi, #21, & Knox… no KLove. If that’s not enough, oh well. Definitely not giving them Mitch, they got Allen anyway.

I think signing Lonzo would be a must afterwards… low usage, elite passing, 3&D player would be a perfect fit.


Sexton | Luca
Lonzo | Quickley [6th man]
RJ
Randle
Mitch


That’s a nice core… not the best young group in the league, but Thibs could get the most out of them. Plus our other picks and whoever else we bring back in free agency [DRose & Taj are prob a definite].

[Fury]

There’s people in here that watched us struggle to get buckets all year that are against this?!?!

We struggled to get buckets because we played 3 starters that couldn't shoot a spot up standstill 3. We started a PG who the opposing defense completely ignored when he both had and didn't have the ball.

Sexton is an on ball, pound it and chuck player. He's Monte Ellis, Dion Waiters etc.. We need a Cam Johnson, or a Bridges or a Duncan Robinson who can keep the floor spread.

... assuming we're keeping and starting RJ Barrett and Randle.

But Sexton can shoot and create his own shot. We could use a Cam, Duncan or Bridges AFTER we get someone like Sexton who can penetrate, shoot and draw defenses.

[ItsPajama]

I don’t think they will trade Toppin and are more likely to trade someone like Mitchell Robinson

Obi is gone, Cleveland loved him in last years draft and didn't really want to pass on him but ultimately did obviously

So they didn’t love him that much then.

The Knicks loved him so much they wanted to trade up for him. This is the current front office’s pick. They don’t want to let him go before prior regime’s picks

Yet neither did the Knicks. Didn't love him enough to trade for him but fell in their lap. The point is mute. You don't stop loving a player because you loved someone else who fit your team more. They'll want Obi in a trade

[3toheadmelo]

There’s people in here that watched us struggle to get buckets all year that are against this?!?!

We struggled to get buckets because we played 3 starters that couldn't shoot a spot up standstill 3. We started a PG who the opposing defense completely ignored when he both had and didn't have the ball.

Sexton is an on ball, pound it and chuck player. He's Monte Ellis, Dion Waiters etc.. We need a Cam Johnson, or a Bridges or a Duncan Robinson who can keep the floor spread.

... assuming we're keeping and starting RJ Barrett and Randle.

You rather overpay Duncan Robinson?

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[Signature NYK]

IF we can get sexton without taking on love
And then get lonzo without exceed 20 mil thatd' be a great offseason imo

Sexton 22 year old 24 ppg near 50/40/90 guy who will go after it on defense to replace Elf
Lonzo a 23 year old 3&D player with excellent court vision and elite passing ability and cuts to the basket to replace bullock

Ya'll not signing up for that?

Can still be players in 2022/23 FA I think.

[BugginOut]

I’m still on board with the trade, but it would be so Knicks for us to trade Obi and for him to turn into Amare 2.0

Darius Garland
Jalen Green
Okoro
Obi
Jarret Allen

That actually could be a really fun team to watch.

[3toheadmelo]

Obi isn’t all that. I would not hesitate to move him. Y’all need to stop catching feelings over bad players . Guys like him, Knox and Frank ain’t schit

[F N 11]

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[Capn'O]

Obi isn’t all that. I would not hesitate to move him. Y’all need to stop catching feelings over bad players . Guys like him, Knox and Frank ain’t schit

Obi's gonna be a solid player but I don't hesitate to move him for a potential star.