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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#381 » by dukeknicksirish » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:48 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Fury wrote:
But you're 5 times less likely to get it and then spread it if you're vaccinated.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891 (check the Pfizer rows and compare it to people who are unvaccinated samples)


I met this guy this morning who wants to split $1000000 between zenzibar and me. I figure I'll take $999,999 and he'll get a dollar. Seems fair as we both get money.


Haha ok sure.

But answer my question first. For $999,999.
Do you get your annual recommended flu shot?


I don’t .
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#382 » by The Lamma » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:50 pm

Clyde mentioned the obligation to society which I want to talk about, in a way that's not being discussed as much. And that's people that are actually sick, going out and intermingling with society right now. Obviously this is exactly how and why other people also get sick, and it's infuriating that so many people just don't give a sht. Them doing so and other people's ignorance in the face of a clearly sick person is mind boggling. You move away from that person as fast as you can, but these idiots just don't do that.

I deal cards at a casino, and have gone from loving my job to hating it, because of covid. I'm stuck with the same guy sometimes for 8 hours. This past Saturday I had this fcking dude with this huge bag of cough drops that he slaps down on the table, and he just starts coughing immediately and consistently. So I interrogated the man, asked him if he'd been tested, yada yada. He shook his head quickly yes. When he went to the bathroom, the lady in the seat next to him said "I think he was lying. He lowered his eyes and couldn't look at you when he answered."

When he came back from the bathroom break I continued with it. I asked him what type of sickness he had and he had no answer, he just shook his head again. "There's more than one person here who is concerned with your health status, and the health status of ourselves being affected as a result. I'm feeling very nervous dealing to you right now." After saying this, he still wouldn't leave. I went as silent as a stone, making the situation as awkward as possible, hoping this would induce his exit. Eventually it did, after having to deal to him for an hour and 20ish.

Back to the original point of this. One of the things that really struck me about this was, none of the other players who were a witness to this, including the lady that believed he was lying about this, bothered to leave the table. This illustrated to me one of the big reasons why this country is in the shape it's in regarding covid. Someone who is audibly sick, who apparently doesn't know what sickness they have, is coughing near you during a pandemic, and you think "This is fine, I'll keep playing?" You get the hell away from that guy as soon as possible

Coughing and sneezing in particular eject a bazillion fcking germs. The masks help in this regard but don't go all the way. And this is why my job stresses me out so much now. It's prolonged exposure to strangers each day. We talked about viral load earlier in the thread. So in addition to the vax I take all the precautions: wearing 3m KN95 masks, using listerine on break, saline nose spray, and taking all the essential immune system enhancing vitamins, because there are breakthrough cases. Vaxed folks should not assume that we don't have covid if we are indeed sick. We need to still get tested to be sure.

People like this cough drop assh*le need to stay the fck home whether they get tested or not. Don't go out and make other people sick. It's fine for a sick person I think to handle necessities, just do so quickly. You need food, fine, grab it quickly and get the hell out of the store. But don't go to sports events, movies, casinos, or anywhere where you'll be around the same people for hours when you don't need to be there. Think of your fellow man. The Golden Rule
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#383 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:53 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:
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dukeknicksirish wrote:
I believe Johnson & Johnson

And the 4 that had Covid before all got vaccinated and then got Covid again recently . 10 of us who have not received it , 3 had Covid once prior and all 10 , who haven’t been vaccinated, have not gotten it again.


OK, I'm assuming you're aware that the J&J vaccine is fundamentally different from the mRNA based vaccines provided by Pfizer and Moderna. IOW, the protection levels of the 2 shot mRNA vaccines are superior by a significant margin


Interesting. Now I am going to be forced by a dictator to get one because , in his words , not taken out of context, “it’s not about freedom or personal choice”. So yes, now I 100% am against it, even if the illnesses effects didn’t scare me enough
Cool President this guy is :crazy:

I think I’ll make my own choices, and he won’t be getting another vote from me


Well you can always vote for the party that believes it doesn't matter if you live or die because Jesus has got this
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#384 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:06 pm

The Lamma wrote:Clyde mentioned the obligation to society which I want to talk about, in a way that's not being discussed as much. And that's people that are actually sick, going out and intermingling with society right now. Obviously this is exactly how and why other people also get sick, and it's infuriating that so many people just don't give a sht. Them doing so and other people's ignorance in the face of a clearly sick person is mind boggling. You move away from that person as fast as you can, but these idiots just don't do that.

I deal cards at a casino, and have gone from loving my job to hating it, because of covid. I'm stuck with the same guy sometimes for 8 hours. This past Saturday I had this fcking dude with this huge bag of cough drops that he slaps down on the table, and he just starts coughing immediately and consistently. So I interrogated the man, asked him if he'd been tested, yada yada. He shook his head quickly yes. When he went to the bathroom, the lady in the seat next to him said "I think he was lying. He lowered his eyes and couldn't look at you when he answered."

When he came back from the bathroom break I continued with it. I asked him what type of sickness he had and he had no answer, he just shook his head again. "There's more than one person here who is concerned with your health status, and the health status of ourselves being affected as a result. I'm feeling very nervous dealing to you right now." After saying this, he still wouldn't leave. I went as silent as a stone, making the situation as awkward as possible, hoping this would induce his exit. Eventually it did, after having to deal to him for an hour and 20ish.

Back to the original point of this. One of the things that really struck me about this was, none of the other players who were a witness to this, including the lady that believed he was lying about this, bothered to leave the table. This illustrated to me one of the big reasons why this country is in the shape it's in regarding covid. Someone who is audibly sick, who apparently doesn't know what sickness they have, is coughing near you during a pandemic, and you think "This is fine, I'll keep playing?" You get the hell away from that guy as soon as possible

Coughing and sneezing in particular eject a bazillion fcking germs. The masks help in this regard but don't go all the way. And this is why my job stresses me out so much now. It's prolonged exposure to strangers each day. We talked about viral load earlier in the thread. So in addition to the vax I take all the precautions: wearing 3m KN95 masks, using listerine on break, saline nose spray, and taking all the essential immune system enhancing vitamins, because there are breakthrough cases. Vaxed folks should not assume that we don't have covid if we are indeed sick. We need to still get tested to be sure.

People like this cough drop assh*le need to stay the fck home whether they get tested or not. Don't go out and make other people sick. It's fine for a sick person I think to handle necessities, just do so quickly. You need food, fine, grab it quickly and get the hell out of the store. But don't go to sports events, movies, casinos, or anywhere where you'll be around the same people for hours when you don't need to be there. Think of your fellow man. The Golden Rule


That is a tough situation to be in. My condolences. I'm too confrontational to do what you're doing. All my life I've been the only one in a crowd to speak up or take action. I grew up in NYC and all the time I'd see stuff and even if I was at risk I'd step into situations while a crowd would gather and rubber neck. I've pulled people from burning wrecks about to blow up and saved hookers from angry pimps.

And I sure as hell am not going to take crap from some knuckle dragger spreading their covid in my face. Good example is when I went for my first shot the line in the pharmacy went along the outer aisle with very clear six foot distance markers on the floor. The couple behind me was literally standing 18 inches from me and carry on a convo. The guy clearly was being dragged along by his girlfriend and didn't really want to be there.

I politely asked them to observe the six foot rule and he went off on me. And I told him to back the **** down and move away NOW. It was really ugly and totally uncalled for. She was ashamed and embarrassed, but she chose a bully for a boyfriend so that's what she got. And he glared at me the whole time and I stared right back. I have reported here about my time in the land of the d-bags and there's plenty of them. That was six months ago. Now most of the would-be wise guys seem a little more careful about who they mess with and I suspect many of them have been put in their place once or twice by someone like me even though we are probably 1 in a 100 in the population.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#385 » by The Lamma » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:06 pm

This thread is currently the finest example of how articulate and intelligent so many posters are on here. There are a few that really stand out. Rather than mention who those are and possibly insult someone else by not mentioning them, I'll just leave it at that. You fellers are impressive people.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#386 » by dukeknicksirish » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:19 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
dukeknicksirish wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
OK, I'm assuming you're aware that the J&J vaccine is fundamentally different from the mRNA based vaccines provided by Pfizer and Moderna. IOW, the protection levels of the 2 shot mRNA vaccines are superior by a significant margin


Interesting. Now I am going to be forced by a dictator to get one because , in his words , not taken out of context, “it’s not about freedom or personal choice”. So yes, now I 100% am against it, even if the illnesses effects didn’t scare me enough
Cool President this guy is :crazy:

I think I’ll make my own choices, and he won’t be getting another vote from me


Well you can always vote for the party that believes it doesn't matter if you live or die because Jesus has got this


Whichever party doesn't rule with dictator , i am for
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#387 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:35 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
dukeknicksirish wrote:
Interesting. Now I am going to be forced by a dictator to get one because , in his words , not taken out of context, “it’s not about freedom or personal choice”. So yes, now I 100% am against it, even if the illnesses effects didn’t scare me enough
Cool President this guy is :crazy:

I think I’ll make my own choices, and he won’t be getting another vote from me


Well you can always vote for the party that believes it doesn't matter if you live or die because Jesus has got this


Whichever party doesn't rule with dictator , i am for


The GOP still pretends they lost the election and won’t denounce an insurrection incited by Trump to overthrow a well-documented fair election so let’s not pretend the Republicans are not down with fascism and the eradication of democracy.

You have the option to get tested if you don’t get vaccinated so slow your roll with accusations of dictatorship
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#388 » by Capn'O » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:42 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Do you get your annual recommended flu shot?


Yes. Primarily to protect others who may be compromised.


You deserve the money bag.

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Wondering how many of the covid posters take theirs as well.


That pic is hysterical.

I didn't used to get flu shots but a number of years back now I had a buddy who explained to me that because he is immunocompromised if he got the flu he would likely get hospitalized at least and that really changed my view on it. I had only considered my risk before and I have gotten it since then. Getting the vac here was similar thinking though Covid can take out younger (a generous term for me but still) folks as well. It's just roulette. Even if it doesn't kill or hit you with long term effects it can just do weird ****. My brother got it a year ago and still doesn't have his taste and smell fully back and some things still taste different to him.

I know Delta has dealt a blow to how effective the vac is but it still lessens the blow if/when you get it and reduces the risk of spread/high viral load. Difference in hospitalization between vaccinated and unvaccinated is pretty stark :dontknow:
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#389 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:03 am

Capn'O wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Do you get your annual recommended flu shot?


Yes. Primarily to protect others who may be compromised.



I never thought of it that way until now. Maybe because I was always the victim of the others working in the office who had kids or were around kids who didn't get vaxxed ... or get their kids vaxxed. That shyt would lay me out for a week. Then I started getting the flu shots just to protect me. It was a no-brainer after that. But it was never sold to me by my doctor as "protecting others."

Interesting statistic is that influenza-related illnesses and deaths declined drastically last year not because everyone got flu shots but because a lot of us were wearing masks last fall.

Masks work. I use the KN95s.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#390 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:28 am

To Robillionaire (and anyone else who cares):

The case by E. Jean Caroll is on track to convict Trump of rape. She has his semen sample from when he raped her in the dressing room in a department store in NYC. Trump cannot beat DNA proof and the case is moving through the legal system. Caroll has become very confident and she has yet to strike me as flaky at all. Anyway, Trump has tried to get these charges thrown out and he has gotten nowhere. I now expect this case to go to trial and for Trump to be convicted for rape. Weinstein and Cosby's accusers didn't have DNA. She does.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#391 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:57 am

Clyde_Style wrote:To Robillionaire (and anyone else who cares):

The case by E. Jean Caroll is on track to convict Trump of rape. She has his semen sample from when he raped her in the dressing room in a department store in NYC. Trump cannot beat DNA proof and the case is moving through the legal system. Caroll has become very confident and she has yet to strike me as flaky at all. Anyway, Trump has tried to get these charges thrown out and he has gotten nowhere. I now expect this case to go to trial and for Trump to be convicted for rape. Weinstein and Cosby's accusers didn't have DNA. She does.


Wasn't there an issue recently about Merrick Garland being an obstacle in some way?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-garland-defends-doj-decision-continue-back-trump/story?id=78179675
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#392 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:07 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:To Robillionaire (and anyone else who cares):

The case by E. Jean Caroll is on track to convict Trump of rape. She has his semen sample from when he raped her in the dressing room in a department store in NYC. Trump cannot beat DNA proof and the case is moving through the legal system. Caroll has become very confident and she has yet to strike me as flaky at all. Anyway, Trump has tried to get these charges thrown out and he has gotten nowhere. I now expect this case to go to trial and for Trump to be convicted for rape. Weinstein and Cosby's accusers didn't have DNA. She does.


Wasn't there an issue recently about Merrick Garland being an obstacle in some way?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-garland-defends-doj-decision-continue-back-trump/story?id=78179675


They are scheduled to hear arguments this Fall. Even though Garland has been good, this was a head scratcher, but I don't believe DoJ protocols will matter if she's got the goods

Here's her take on it:

https://ejeancarroll.substack.com/p/carroll-v-trump-an-update

She was just interviewed by MeidasTouch
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#393 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:24 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:To Robillionaire (and anyone else who cares):

The case by E. Jean Caroll is on track to convict Trump of rape. She has his semen sample from when he raped her in the dressing room in a department store in NYC. Trump cannot beat DNA proof and the case is moving through the legal system. Caroll has become very confident and she has yet to strike me as flaky at all. Anyway, Trump has tried to get these charges thrown out and he has gotten nowhere. I now expect this case to go to trial and for Trump to be convicted for rape. Weinstein and Cosby's accusers didn't have DNA. She does.


Wasn't there an issue recently about Merrick Garland being an obstacle in some way?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-garland-defends-doj-decision-continue-back-trump/story?id=78179675


They are scheduled to hear arguments this Fall. Even though Garland has been good, this was a head scratcher, but I don't believe DoJ protocols will matter if she's got the goods

Here's her take on it:

https://ejeancarroll.substack.com/p/carroll-v-trump-an-update

She was just interviewed by MeidasTouch


what exactly does this all have to do with COVID-19?
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#394 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:41 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Do you get your annual recommended flu shot?


Yes. Primarily to protect others who may be compromised.



I never thought of it that way until now. Maybe because I was always the victim of the others working in the office who had kids or were around kids who didn't get vaxxed ... or get their kids vaxxed. That shyt would lay me out for a week. Then I started getting the flu shots just to protect me. It was a no-brainer after that. But it was never sold to me by my doctor as "protecting others."

Interesting statistic is that influenza-related illnesses and deaths declined drastically last year not because everyone got flu shots but because a lot of us were wearing masks last fall.

Masks work. I use the KN95s.


the beautiful thing about vaccines is... they do both!

people don't get or spread polio in the united states anymore. because vaccines.

endemic measles was statistically eliminated in the united states in 2000. at that point it could only take hold again from travelers bringing it into the country and infecting unvaccinated individuals who spread to other unvaccinated individuals.

vaccines: keeping americans alive and free to reject vaccines since...

you'd think the simple enough plan was to practice safe behaviors and look out for one another long enough to get a vaccine distributed that could protect americans from this pandemic. but i guess we would rather have endemic COVID-19 and its many variants. ironically, i teach healthcare professionals in other countries who have lacked access to the vaccine while we willfully reject it. it's amazing and deflating.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#395 » by The Lamma » Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:15 am

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Wasn't there an issue recently about Merrick Garland being an obstacle in some way?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-garland-defends-doj-decision-continue-back-trump/story?id=78179675


They are scheduled to hear arguments this Fall. Even though Garland has been good, this was a head scratcher, but I don't believe DoJ protocols will matter if she's got the goods

Here's her take on it:

https://ejeancarroll.substack.com/p/carroll-v-trump-an-update

She was just interviewed by MeidasTouch


what exactly does this all have to do with COVID-19?


Hmmm... Trump, and Covid. Ok, I'll take a shot at it

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#396 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:13 am

Getting vaccinated is as American as Elvis Presley.

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Do you know many vaccinations are required for enlisted troops? Like almost 10.
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Post#397 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:34 am

Climate change humor

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Post#398 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:20 am

Stephen A. anti-Anti-Vaxxers rant. I have to admit that enjoyed this one

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Post#399 » by spree8 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:15 pm

Whats the take on Regeneron/monoclonal antibodies? They’re giving them out for free like crazy in south Florida.

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