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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#381 » by RHODEY » Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:32 am

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Your goal post moving is admirable but misguided, our offense actually did crater against the Cavs. We went from 117 ORTG in the regular season to 107 vs the Cavs, we were 13th out of 16, when we were 4th on the season. I await your next goal post relocation.

The Cavs aren't an elite team either, I was one of the few on here that was adamant that we'd beat them in a series long before we played them.
Lol we destroyed them and looked great doing it . Meanwhile you are bringing up irrelevant stats...if that's not moving goal posts I don't know what is.



You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....
So we beat the Cavs because they are soft....but they were the best defensive team in the league? How do you explain that? :lol:
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#382 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:42 am

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Lol we destroyed them and looked great doing it . Meanwhile you are bringing up irrelevant stats...if that's not moving goal posts I don't know what is.



You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....
So we beat the Cavs because they are soft....but they were the best defensive team in the league? How do you explain that? :lol:



Why do you have such a difficult time understanding that there are teams built for the playoffs and teams built for the regular season. The Cavs were a regular season team, I picked us to beat them. Also, the Suns had the 2nd best defense 2 yrs ago, they were soft, you seen to think that being good on defense means a team can't be soft :lol:
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#383 » by RHODEY » Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:50 am

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You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....
So we beat the Cavs because they are soft....but they were the best defensive team in the league? How do you explain that? :lol:



Why do you have such a difficult time understanding that there are teams built for the playoffs and teams built for the regular season. The Cavs were a regular season team, I picked us to beat them. Also, the Suns had the 2nd best defense 2 yrs ago, they were soft, you seen to think that being good on defense means a team can't be soft :lol:
Oh so a team with the #1 defensive rating over 82 games with DPOY candidates suddenly turned into a donut team versus Mitch Robinson? :lol: Because in the playoffs you predicted they would forget to play defense? :nod:
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#384 » by stuporman » Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:55 am

Mitch is a certain type of center, an exceptional one of those kinds but it is a kind that some people just don't like no matter how good they are at the role.

Although, I don't see how offensive rebounding can be considered a defensive stat so it won't contribute to DPOY talk, yet him carrying so many bad defensive players by being super gumby eraser might.

His offensive rebounding is so huge it actually is an offensive weapon for the team that would get regarded as such if he could improve FT% so finally get to double-digit scoring average.

I've been saying the Knicks need to get stretch bigs for more than a decade, almost two now but do really love Mitch's intuitive defensive presence I saw in those HS vids before the draft. It's innate.

Although, I can admit I thought he'd eventually be able to hit his FTs and possibly some semblance of a jumper to be a threat from 3 because he shot a few in HS, too. Wow
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#385 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:01 am

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RHODEY wrote:So we beat the Cavs because they are soft....but they were the best defensive team in the league? How do you explain that? :lol:



Why do you have such a difficult time understanding that there are teams built for the playoffs and teams built for the regular season. The Cavs were a regular season team, I picked us to beat them. Also, the Suns had the 2nd best defense 2 yrs ago, they were soft, you seen to think that being good on defense means a team can't be soft :lol:
Oh so a team with the #1 defensive rating over 82 games with DPOY candidates suddenly turned into a donut team versus Mitch Robinson? :lol: Because in the playoffs you predicted they would forget to play defense? :nod:


Your posts are borderline incoherent jibberish :noway: . Your point makes no sense because their defense held up well, their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense and destroy their own spacing. Like why is this so difficult for you to get? I'll use the Suns again, they had the 3rd ranked defense in 2022, but in the playoffs their defense fell off a cliff and went from 106.8 in reg season to 114.9 in the playoffs. How could such a thing happened if they were so good in the regular season.

And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them, that is the team I knew we could beat because of their small backcourt, their poor offensive frontcourt and a lack of experience. Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though, that was Bam's 3rd highest scoring playoff series of his career, he did to Mitch what Mitch did to the Cavs. The whole point of defensive specialists is to slow down the guy they're matched up with, he didn't even come close to doing that to Bam.
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#386 » by RHODEY » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:16 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Why do you have such a difficult time understanding that there are teams built for the playoffs and teams built for the regular season. The Cavs were a regular season team, I picked us to beat them. Also, the Suns had the 2nd best defense 2 yrs ago, they were soft, you seen to think that being good on defense means a team can't be soft :lol:
Oh so a team with the #1 defensive rating over 82 games with DPOY candidates suddenly turned into a donut team versus Mitch Robinson? :lol: Because in the playoffs you predicted they would forget to play defense? :nod:


Your posts are borderline incoherent jibberish :noway: . Your point makes no sense because their defense held up well, their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense and destroy their own spacing. Like why is this so difficult for you to get? I'll use the Suns again, they had the 3rd ranked defense in 2022, but in the playoffs their defense fell off a cliff and went from 106.8 in reg season to 114.9 in the playoffs. How could such a thing happened if they were so good in the regular season.

And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them, that is the team I knew we could beat because of their small backcourt, their poor offensive frontcourt and a lack of experience. Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though, that was Bam's 3rd highest scoring playoff series of his career, he did to Mitch what Mitch did to the Cavs. The whole point of defensive specialists is to slow down the guy they're matched up with, he didn't even come close to doing that to Bam.



their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense

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And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them




:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though

I'm not allowing you to move the goal posts. :D
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#387 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:27 am

RHODEY wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Oh so a team with the #1 defensive rating over 82 games with DPOY candidates suddenly turned into a donut team versus Mitch Robinson? :lol: Because in the playoffs you predicted they would forget to play defense? :nod:


Your posts are borderline incoherent jibberish :noway: . Your point makes no sense because their defense held up well, their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense and destroy their own spacing. Like why is this so difficult for you to get? I'll use the Suns again, they had the 3rd ranked defense in 2022, but in the playoffs their defense fell off a cliff and went from 106.8 in reg season to 114.9 in the playoffs. How could such a thing happened if they were so good in the regular season.

And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them, that is the team I knew we could beat because of their small backcourt, their poor offensive frontcourt and a lack of experience. Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though, that was Bam's 3rd highest scoring playoff series of his career, he did to Mitch what Mitch did to the Cavs. The whole point of defensive specialists is to slow down the guy they're matched up with, he didn't even come close to doing that to Bam.



their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense

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And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them




:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:



Yeah, you clearly don't know the difference between playoffs and regular season and how things that work in the regular season may not work in the playoffs. Like how our offense worked in the regular season, but saw a -10 drop in the playoffs even against the Cavs. But, you were most likely one of those people that was saying we beat the Heat 3-1 in the regular season so playoffs vs them should be easy.


By the way, games 3 and game 4 in the Heat series were just gross.

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Mitch
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You have yet to say anything about the Heat series too, apparently beating the Cavs was your Superbowl :lol:
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#388 » by RHODEY » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:30 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Your posts are borderline incoherent jibberish :noway: . Your point makes no sense because their defense held up well, their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense and destroy their own spacing. Like why is this so difficult for you to get? I'll use the Suns again, they had the 3rd ranked defense in 2022, but in the playoffs their defense fell off a cliff and went from 106.8 in reg season to 114.9 in the playoffs. How could such a thing happened if they were so good in the regular season.

And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them, that is the team I knew we could beat because of their small backcourt, their poor offensive frontcourt and a lack of experience. Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though, that was Bam's 3rd highest scoring playoff series of his career, he did to Mitch what Mitch did to the Cavs. The whole point of defensive specialists is to slow down the guy they're matched up with, he didn't even come close to doing that to Bam.



their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense

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And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them




:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:



Yeah, you clearly don't know the difference between playoffs and regular season and how things that work in the regular season may not work in the playoffs. Like how our offense worked in the regular season, but saw a -10 drop in the playoffs even against the Cavs. But, you were most likely one of those people that was saying we beat the Heat 3-1 in the regular season so playoffs vs them should be easy.


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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#389 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:32 am

"why didn't our offense crater against the Cavs" - You

"Here's numbers and diagrams that show a 10pt drop and significant crater" - me


"stats suck, we won the title in rd 1" - You
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#390 » by KnixtapeH20 » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:44 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
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Your goal post moving is admirable but misguided, our offense actually did crater against the Cavs. We went from 117 ORTG in the regular season to 107 vs the Cavs, we were 13th out of 16, when we were 4th on the season. I await your next goal post relocation.

The Cavs aren't an elite team either, I was one of the few on here that was adamant that we'd beat them in a series long before we played them.
Lol we destroyed them and looked great doing it . Meanwhile you are bringing up irrelevant stats...if that's not moving goal posts I don't know what is.



You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....

Key word THEY kept Mitch off the glass(they actually didn't), as in GANG REBOUNDING it wasn't Bam but nice try lol

Get somebody else who can **** rebound and give him some help so he doesn't have to switch on defense n be out of position all while tryna rebound against the entire team
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#391 » by RHODEY » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:50 am

KnixtapeH20 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Lol we destroyed them and looked great doing it . Meanwhile you are bringing up irrelevant stats...if that's not moving goal posts I don't know what is.



You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....

Key word THEY kept Mitch off the glass(they actually didn't), as in GANG REBOUNDING it wasn't Bam but nice try lol

Get somebody else who can **** rebound and give him some help so he doesn't have to switch on defense n be out of position all while tryna rebound against the entire team


Bucks lost to the Heat with their 3 point floor Spreading center and so did the Celtics ... I guess that means those teams have trash centers too!!!
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#392 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:59 am

KnixtapeH20 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Lol we destroyed them and looked great doing it . Meanwhile you are bringing up irrelevant stats...if that's not moving goal posts I don't know what is.



You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....

Key word THEY kept Mitch off the glass(they actually didn't), as in GANG REBOUNDING it wasn't Bam but nice try lol

Get somebody else who can **** rebound and give him some help so he doesn't have to switch on defense n be out of position all while tryna rebound against the entire team



They kept him off the glass, doesn't matter how it was done, they did it. The point is if he's not killing the offensive glass against a team playing small/zone and he's not slowing down the guy he's guarding then what is the point of the role he's playing? Bam had 112 points and 58 rebounds in that series, Mitch had 31 points and 53 rebounds, that is a completely lopsided matchup.

Get someone like who? Power forwards that can offensive rebound and space the floor are rare, you're basically just talking about Aaron Gordon, he's the only PF that shot 35% and grabbed offensive rebound last year.
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#393 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:04 am

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KnixtapeH20 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

You thought you had something with that question, them stats are only irrelevant now cause they show a significant drop off in our offense. We beat them because they're a soft team with two trash rim runners clogging up their paint and their tiny backcourt on top of it. We had the worst ORTG of any team the Heat played in the playoffs, they also kept Robinson off the glass and ran zone against us because we're an old world team with an old world lineup that zone works against like gang busters. Bam outscored him and most importantly he out rebounded him, if your job is to defend and rebound and your matchup beats you in both areas....

Key word THEY kept Mitch off the glass(they actually didn't), as in GANG REBOUNDING it wasn't Bam but nice try lol

Get somebody else who can **** rebound and give him some help so he doesn't have to switch on defense n be out of position all while tryna rebound against the entire team


Bucks lost to the Heat with their 3 point floor Spreading center and so did the Celtics ... I guess that means those teams have trash centers too!!!


Jesus, Giannis missed games and they made a drastic change to their lineup as a result of that series. The Celtic one I'm embarrassed for you on that one, they literally traded their defense first rim runner for a center that can space and score. A team with far more success than us was like "Yeah, we need more offense from our C". You flailing in the wind out here, go back to the drawing board B.
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Post#394 » by RHODEY » Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:58 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
KnixtapeH20 wrote:Key word THEY kept Mitch off the glass(they actually didn't), as in GANG REBOUNDING it wasn't Bam but nice try lol

Get somebody else who can **** rebound and give him some help so he doesn't have to switch on defense n be out of position all while tryna rebound against the entire team


Bucks lost to the Heat with their 3 point floor Spreading center and so did the Celtics ... I guess that means those teams have trash centers too!!!


Jesus, Giannis missed games and they made a drastic change to their lineup as a result of that series. The Celtic one I'm embarrassed for you on that one, they literally traded their defense first rim runner for a center that can space and score. A team with far more success than us was like "Yeah, we need more offense from our C". You flailing in the wind out here, go back to the drawing board B.

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Post#395 » by KnicksGadfly » Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:04 pm

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RHODEY wrote:Oh so a team with the #1 defensive rating over 82 games with DPOY candidates suddenly turned into a donut team versus Mitch Robinson? :lol: Because in the playoffs you predicted they would forget to play defense? :nod:


Your posts are borderline incoherent jibberish :noway: . Your point makes no sense because their defense held up well, their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense and destroy their own spacing. Like why is this so difficult for you to get? I'll use the Suns again, they had the 3rd ranked defense in 2022, but in the playoffs their defense fell off a cliff and went from 106.8 in reg season to 114.9 in the playoffs. How could such a thing happened if they were so good in the regular season.

And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them, that is the team I knew we could beat because of their small backcourt, their poor offensive frontcourt and a lack of experience. Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though, that was Bam's 3rd highest scoring playoff series of his career, he did to Mitch what Mitch did to the Cavs. The whole point of defensive specialists is to slow down the guy they're matched up with, he didn't even come close to doing that to Bam.



their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense

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And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them




:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though

I'm not allowing you to move the goal posts. :D


Finish this KnicksNext foo! He's probably hoping the Knicks lose again so he can keep posting about Mitch.

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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#396 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:12 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Your posts are borderline incoherent jibberish :noway: . Your point makes no sense because their defense held up well, their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense and destroy their own spacing. Like why is this so difficult for you to get? I'll use the Suns again, they had the 3rd ranked defense in 2022, but in the playoffs their defense fell off a cliff and went from 106.8 in reg season to 114.9 in the playoffs. How could such a thing happened if they were so good in the regular season.

And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them, that is the team I knew we could beat because of their small backcourt, their poor offensive frontcourt and a lack of experience. Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though, that was Bam's 3rd highest scoring playoff series of his career, he did to Mitch what Mitch did to the Cavs. The whole point of defensive specialists is to slow down the guy they're matched up with, he didn't even come close to doing that to Bam.



their offense was trash because they have two garbage rim runners that have no offense

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And I predicted we'd beat them before the playoffs and before we were even matched up with them




:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

Sidenote, you been talking about the Cavs for several posts now like they're the goddamn Warriors, not a peep about the Heat though

I'm not allowing you to move the goal posts. :D


Finish this KnicksNext foo! He's probably hoping the Knicks lose again so he can keep posting about Mitch.

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I'll post about him in wins or losses, the result in the regular season doesn't change my opinion about him, which is he's not a starter on a serious contender. Just the same way you haven't changed your opinion about him despite the fact he's been a negative against good teams this year.

Here's what would change my opinion of him in the short term, make 60-65% of his freethrows, not .385%.
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Post#397 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:03 pm

Another game where Mitch was outplayed by Bam and had to be benched in the 4th quarter so we can win
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Post#398 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:18 pm

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:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:


I'm not allowing you to move the goal posts. :D


Finish this KnicksNext foo! He's probably hoping the Knicks lose again so he can keep posting about Mitch.

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I'll post about him in wins or losses, the result in the regular season doesn't change my opinion about him, which is he's not a starter on a serious contender. Just the same way you haven't changed your opinion about him despite the fact he's been a negative against good teams this year.

Here's what would change my opinion of him in the short term, make 60-65% of his freethrows, not .385%.
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#399 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:57 pm

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Finish this KnicksNext foo! He's probably hoping the Knicks lose again so he can keep posting about Mitch.

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I'll post about him in wins or losses, the result in the regular season doesn't change my opinion about him, which is he's not a starter on a serious contender. Just the same way you haven't changed your opinion about him despite the fact he's been a negative against good teams this year.

Here's what would change my opinion of him in the short term, make 60-65% of his freethrows, not .385%.
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Re: Mitchell Robinson future DPOY watch 

Post#400 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:14 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

I'll post about him in wins or losses, the result in the regular season doesn't change my opinion about him, which is he's not a starter on a serious contender. Just the same way you haven't changed your opinion about him despite the fact he's been a negative against good teams this year.

Here's what would change my opinion of him in the short term, make 60-65% of his freethrows, not .385%.
Are you Knicksnext?


Why would you even comment after that embarrassing game, I was gonna let y'all live because it was so bad I didn't even need to say anything.


Why did you change your name, are you running from something? :lol: :lol:

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