Jalen Brunson obsession

[G_K_F]

Watch on YouTube

I hate these random fan videos with no info.

[8516knicks]

Nothing sinks a team more than poor PG play. Brunson isn’t likely to ever be a top 10 PG, but having someone that could at his peak be in the 15-20 range will do wonders for this roster.

Who/when was the last Knick pg in the top 20 in the league?

[8516knicks]

Mitch Rob for Brunson in a S&T would be fine w/ me. Or even Randle in a 3-team. The key would be Brunson wanting to come home to NY and for Dal to want to avoid the tax so they can get a lower salaried player in Mitch...

Dallas could just send Jalen Brunson(sign and trade) and THJr. + filler(s) to Utah for Rudy Gobert.

Did I miss the news Utah's Front Office took massive doses of LSD?

[dakomish23]

Nothing sinks a team more than poor PG play. Brunson isn’t likely to ever be a top 10 PG, but having someone that could at his peak be in the 15-20 range will do wonders for this roster.

Who/when was the last Knick pg in the top 20 in the league?

Marbury and before that maybe Mark Jackson. Pitiful

[Jimmit79]

Nothing sinks a team more than poor PG play. Brunson isn’t likely to ever be a top 10 PG, but having someone that could at his peak be in the 15-20 range will do wonders for this roster.

Who/when was the last Knick pg in the top 20 in the league?

Marbury and before that maybe Mark Jackson. Pitiful

Wouldn't it be Feltdown in 2013 Knicks were one of the top 5 teams.

[Jay10]

Mitch Rob for Brunson in a S&T would be fine w/ me. Or even Randle in a 3-team. The key would be Brunson wanting to come home to NY and for Dal to want to avoid the tax so they can get a lower salaried player in Mitch...

Dallas could just send Jalen Brunson(sign and trade) and THJr. + filler(s) to Utah for Rudy Gobert.

Did I miss the news Utah's Front Office took massive doses of LSD?

Rudy and Donovan don't get along, and there have been rumors of the Mavericks looking to acquire Rudy.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Dallas could just send Jalen Brunson(sign and trade) and THJr. + filler(s) to Utah for Rudy Gobert.

Did I miss the news Utah's Front Office took massive doses of LSD?

Rudy and Donovan don't get along, and there have been rumors of the Mavericks looking to acquire Rudy.

The Mavs might do that deal. (Depends on the playoff run &/or whether Brunson wants to stay or go.) In any case you're right that they are very interested obtaining Gobert if he becomes available. (I think for them preferably by throwing some of their Bertans/Dinwiddie salary into a deal with the other front court assets I talk about below.)

However, I don't really see it, as stated, from the Jazz's POV. They only have Juancho and Azubuike as PF/C other than Rudy on their books for 2022-2023. Otoh, they are already paying ~$20m each to Conley and Bojan, $13.3m to Jordan Clarkson and appreciable money to Gay, O'Neale and NAW (total ~$20m). Neither Brunson nor THJ seems like a position of need for them. If they also trade away Conley then maybe they could want Brunson, ditto for Bojan and Timmy. But Tim for Bojan is a downgrade. So that doesn't seem all that appealing for a team catering to Mitchell - eg by trading away Rudy etc.) If they trade Rudy maybe they should be in the Mitch-market?

If they did do the trade they would more likely take Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleber back, rather than THJ. That weakens their rim defence, but does improve their spacing. And Brunson for Conley might be justifiable on age grounds / better age-fit with Spida. Mavs should probably be sending a pick in this trade, but their 2023 being conditional and in the Knicks hands complicates this.

(fwiw, all of these S'n't-s adding Timmy or Powell+Maxi work under the CBA.)

That would leave them with (filling in the other roster spots with rookies (no FRP), vet-mins etc) still over the luxury tax line and with a depth chart like:

Brunson, Conley
Mitchell, Clarkson, NAW
Bojan, O'Neale, Gay
Maxi, Juancho
Powell, Azubuike

Idk. I guess that's an upgrade. Given Rudy and Spida don't work so well together. Front court still seems thin to me.

[Oscirus]

Dallas could just send Jalen Brunson(sign and trade) and THJr. + filler(s) to Utah for Rudy Gobert.

Did I miss the news Utah's Front Office took massive doses of LSD?

Rudy and Donovan don't get along, and there have been rumors of the Mavericks looking to acquire Rudy.

Utahs not getting rid of all their defense for role players. Its cheaper to just hire a counselor

[8516knicks]

Nothing sinks a team more than poor PG play. Brunson isn’t likely to ever be a top 10 PG, but having someone that could at his peak be in the 15-20 range will do wonders for this roster.

Who/when was the last Knick pg in the top 20 in the league?

Marbury and before that maybe Mark Jackson. Pitiful

So for all the Brunson costs too much starf*ckers/dreamers here, think of it this way. Marbury's last Knick season was 2009. 13 years ago. Even if Brunson got a 4 year $100m contract that's 100/13 = so just $7.69M as a stupidity/ineptitude penalty for the Knicks Front Office

But Brunson would still turn it down anyway. Once you're getting $20M per season, is it really worth another $5M to trade in your peace of mind to play with Randall and the rest of the Knicks screwed up organization?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Who/when was the last Knick pg in the top 20 in the league?

Marbury and before that maybe Mark Jackson. Pitiful

So for all the Brunson costs too much starf*ckers/dreamers here, think of it this way. Marbury's last Knick season was 2009. 13 years ago. Even if Brunson got a 4 year $100m contract that's 100/13 = so just $7.69M as a stupidity/ineptitude penalty for the Knicks Front Office

But Brunson would still turn it down anyway. Once you're getting $20M per season, is it really worth another $5M to trade in your peace of mind to play with Randall and the rest of the Knicks screwed up organization?

Agreed. Like I've been saying for months now, a lot depends on the Mavs playoff run.

[TheGreenArrow]

Read on Twitter

[snadler]

At this point if I had a choice of Brunson or Mitchell, I might choose Brunson

[RHODEY]

Blah Blah Blah, meanwhile....

Watch on YouTube

Maybe top 20 potential? Dude is top 15 right now, consistent on the highest level...

[dakomish23]

Welp, expect that bandwagon to get heavy.

[KnicksNext]

Knick fans: This team sucks
Knick fans when any attempt to upgrade the team is brought up: That guy isn't good enough for the Knicks.

every.single.time.

Yes, this pretty much sums up our Knicks fans. No player is ever good enough to go after, and the 'youth' we have is always significantly overrated. It's boring and tiresome.

If we want to get better, we need better players. Our current roster is not built to win a damn thing. I honestly don't get it, but this happens year after year. Posters propose good/great players to add, but then when they realize we have to give up something to get something, the posts then move to a lot of quotes like: 'X player is not that good, X player is too old, X player doesn't fit our roster, I won't give up RJ/Obi/Quick etc. for X player.

It's too much. Bla bla bla. Same sh*t year after year. Doesn't anyone want to actually field a consistently winning team? If we don't make some significant upgrades in the offseason (i.e: Trade some of our youth for a good/great player, or multiple good/great players), we're locked into 25-35 win squads for the foreseeable future.

[KnicksNext]

Brunson is a VERY good player and the 2nd best player on a consistent winning playoff squad. He's also a really, really good PG, which is what we've been missing for 20 years. Some of y'all are nuts saying he's overrated and not worthy of trading some of our youth/picks to get him. He would be an instant GIANT upgrade from what we currently have on our roster, and also would be the engine that keeps the machine running (or starts the engine, since it's not currently running). He's young, comes from a great family, has the backbone to handle NY, isn't a knucklehead.

If you don't want Brunson, who do you want? You're not getting Ja or Trae. Brunson is the next best thing potentially available. He alone could really impact the flow of the team and the organization of our roster.

I'm in 100% if we could make it work. I would give up RJ in a heartbeat, but it might not even take RJ if we're willing to add another pick or two. Plus, if SOMEHOW we're able to add Randle to the deal, we're killing two HUGE birds with one stone. Do this deal all day every day. Stop overrating our players, and underrating talent around the league.

Okay, I said my peace. LOL.

[PeteW]

At this point if I had a choice of Brunson or Mitchell, I might choose Brunson

You're being a prisoner of the moment.

[Richard4444]

We know Brunson is good. I don't know if he's worth his price tag...

What about this trade:
We give: Burks(10M),Kemba (9M), Noel(9M), Dallas pick, NYK #11pick
We get: Brunson Sign and trade 100/4, Dallas #26 pick.

Dalas gives #26 and Brunson
Gets #20 Spurs, own 23 pick and Tre Jones

Spurs gives #20 and Tre Jones
gets Burks, Kemba, Noel and #11 pick

[Richard4444]

At this point if I had a choice of Brunson or Mitchell, I might choose Brunson

You're being a prisoner of the moment.

So lets build the team around Randle and Rose and trade IQ and Obi...

[RHODEY]

Welp, expect that bandwagon to get heavy.

It went from, "He's not a starter" to " Im maybe coming around to the idea of..."

This is after dropping 31 and 41 points sans Luka versus Gobert and the pips.. I understand the concept of pride but....

BTW I doubt we get him now because the price tag has grown exponentially. So I guess I could settle for Tyus Jones to co pilot with Quickley if we could somehow swing that.