Knicks Raps PG: No really, goodbye Randle

[TheGreenArrow]

Yeah if he doesn’t make that leap to stardom next year and we max him, it’s gonna look pretty bad. My bet is that he doesn’t make that leap.

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[TerrenceClarke]

If RJ is maxed this summer then the front office has learned no lessons from last summer with Randle, and we are truly doomed.

You can wait on RJ he don’t deserve it this off season.

[Jimmit79]

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So RJ should get same amount as portis?

[Iron Mantis]

Yeah if he doesn’t make that leap to stardom next year and we max him, it’s gonna look pretty bad. My bet is that he doesn’t make that leap.

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You tell 'em, Jimmit!

Remind them how that random "small forwards" pyramid is bogus troll fodder in comparison to the raw data TheGreenArrow shared, exalting the greatness of RJ!

Welcome to Team RJ!

[TheGreenArrow]

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So RJ should get same amount as portis?

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[dakomish23]

For the record on max contracts

Year 23-24

6 years or less
$32,600,060

7-9 years
$39,120,072

10+ years
$45,640,084

[K_ick_God]

Did RJ have an MRI or not?

[thebuzzardman]

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Front-office members thought Thibodeau had, as one source put it, “lost the team.” They didn’t like some of the body language and attentiveness during timeout huddles.

Hmmmm, wonder who that was about.

Randle, as I know you know.

It's interesting. There seemed to be a rift. I've speculated that it's because Randle isn't happy how Thibs coached the team or maybe he didn't have input on some stuff. That would speak to Randle not really having a grasp of who he is in the org, an inflated sense of self. I get stars dictate stuff, but if my take here is true, then Randle thinks more of himself as a player than what is reality.

On the other hand, if Randle doesn't like Thibs, that can happen. Now the FO has to choose. Or decide it doesn't like either of them. Of course, it could decide it likes both of them and needs to work it out. I'd assume they'll try the last one for another year before deciding to move on from one or the other or both.

[thebuzzardman]

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I'm not a Randle fan, but disingenuous tweet.

Portis average 14.5. He didn't play the minutes needed to get to Randles. Why? If he was that awesome why would the Bucks do that to themselves? Because he's good, but not that good. It's why I hate per 36 etc. You just can't project stuff. There's also this Giannis guy on the Bucks as a center of offensive gravity, while Randle, for better or worse, IS that guy for the Knicks.

[TerrenceClarke]

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I'm not a Randle fan, but disingenuous tweet.

Portis average 14.5. He didn't play the minutes needed to get to Randles. Why? If he was that awesome why would the Bucks do that to themselves? Because he's good, but not that good. It's why I hate per 36 etc. You just can't project stuff. There's also this Giannis guy on the Bucks as a center of offensive gravity, while Randle, for better or worse, IS that guy for the Knicks.

I’m not a Randle fan either but most of these muse tweets overall is garbage if you ask me. The “categories” and “firsts” have become annoying.

You said Giannis, **** they got Middleton and Holiday as well to create gravity.

The comparison is dumb.

[Guano]

If I have to suffer 4 more years of Randle then you get 6 more years of RJ. We are all in purgatory suffering

fair enough

At least Team RJ and Team Randle can join forces to make sham suffer the most

leave it to Deeeez to always to always see the light.

[cgmw]

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I'm not a Randle fan, but disingenuous tweet.

Portis average 14.5. He didn't play the minutes needed to get to Randles. Why? If he was that awesome why would the Bucks do that to themselves? Because he's good, but not that good. It's why I hate per 36 etc. You just can't project stuff. There's also this Giannis guy on the Bucks as a center of offensive gravity, while Randle, for better or worse, IS that guy for the Knicks.

I’m not a Randle fan either but most of these muse tweets overall is garbage if you ask me. The “categories” and “firsts” have become annoying.

You said Giannis, **** they got Middleton and Holiday as well to create gravity.

The comparison is dumb.

In fairness, the guy’s name is literally Hater Muse. At least he’s transparent with his negative clickbait.

I realize we’re still typing on a turn-of-the-century message board, but it’s a weird post-post post-modern world out there. The OP knows perfectly well his stats are garbage, and I think he knows that we know that he knows. And yet we still can’t help clicking on it and posting dumbass uninformed line-in-the-sand replies.

3toheadmelo has been dividing the world into GIF factions for as long as I’ve been posting here — 20 years now. Humanity will always enjoy a good Hater Muse, no matter how nonsensical his per-48 comparisons.

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Form the article:

Front-office members thought Thibodeau had, as one source put it, “lost the team.” They didn’t like some of the body language and attentiveness during timeout huddles.

Hmmmm, wonder who that was about.

Randle, as I know you know.

It's interesting. There seemed to be a rift. I've speculated that it's because Randle isn't happy how Thibs coached the team or maybe he didn't have input on some stuff. That would speak to Randle not really having a grasp of who he is in the org, an inflated sense of self. I get stars dictate stuff, but if my take here is true, then Randle thinks more of himself as a player than what is reality.

On the other hand, if Randle doesn't like Thibs, that can happen. Now the FO has to choose. Or decide it doesn't like either of them. Of course, it could decide it likes both of them and needs to work it out. I'd assume they'll try the last one for another year before deciding to move on from one or the other or both.

If there is a rift, then from the quote (and if your speculation about a Thibs/Randle rift is correct - and I would certainly believe it) it sounds like a multi-directional rift. If people in the front office are pointing to Randle's attitude and huddle-meandering as Thib's "losing the team" they may have an agenda. It seems like a stretch given what all the other players have said - he may have lost Randle but the team? I don't know, maybe. But it sounds like some front office people using any evidence against Thibs (and I'm not suggesting this is a bad thing).

Now if the front office had to choose between Thibs or Randle, seems like it would be on easy one - Thibs. Can't help but think Thibs would get another year. If he didn't have Randle and could somehow be convinced to start/significantly play the kids, then he might be successful here. Otherwise, he needs to move on after Randle.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Look who’s missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jimmit79]

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Look who’s missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Obi Burks Simms Mitch Grimes McBride Noel Rose gone also?

[BKlutch]

went to the game. was crazy fun considering the low stakes. Obi and IQ looked like stars

Fun? How can you say it was crazy fun when almost everybody is moaning we didn't win enough or lose enough?

I thought I was the only guy who thinks watching games — especially wins — is fun. Glad I'm not alone!

I’ve been guilty of this sin for decades.

To be clear, there’s nothing wrong with being a fan who roots for “meaningless wins.” But there is something tragically absurd (to the point of franchise malpractice) that the Knicks choose to draft 8-12 almost every year for an entire generation because they can’t resist winning late-season games after the Playoffs are out of reach.

At least this year it was behind RJ, Obi and IQ. Whereas the braintrust of years past would have seen us beating non-playoff teams behind such future stars as Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel, Derrick Rose, Evan Fournier, and Taj Gibson.

I’m like 99% sure that one of the teams just above us will get lucky and land in the top 3 this year. But we’ll draft 12th because we really needed those extra 5 wins in April.

Yeah, it's kind of upsetting to win so many games at the end, but let's say we made certain to lose all those games. The effect on our up and coming players would have been horrible (Obi, Quick, even RJ). So it's not the best to play poorly all season, and then win at the end, but there would have also been a downside if we squandered the chance to see the young guys play out.

Clearly, we'll have a lot more fun if we start winning at the beginning of next season and continue throughout. Having seen my first game on TV as a kid when we won the championship, I'm not a fan of mediocrity, either. Our team has been very mishandled by multiple front offices over the years. When we talk about how to win, however, we all need to keep in mind that there are very few ways to win (often, they aren't the ways we'd have expected) and many ways to totally screw things up. Just because any given one of us has a different approach than the current FO doesn't mean it's actually going to be better.

I wish there were some stats on championship teams showing how they were created (having great draft picks, have poor draft picks but making good choices, free agency, trades, etc.) to show which approach is statistically most likely to work. Of course, even with the best plan, a lousy FO can muck it all up (poor draft choices, poor trades, poor FA signings, etc.)

[TheGreenArrow]

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Look who’s missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Obi Burks Simms Mitch Grimes McBride Noel Rose gone also?

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[Iron Mantis]

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Look who’s missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Obi Burks Simms Mitch Grimes McBride Noel Rose gone also?

I think the point is that the supposed "leader" of the team should be representing.

Imagine the "best player" on another team (Lebron, etc.) not being in the farewell vid thanking the fans.

kind of suspect, no?

[cgmw]

Fun? How can you say it was crazy fun when almost everybody is moaning we didn't win enough or lose enough?

I thought I was the only guy who thinks watching games — especially wins — is fun. Glad I'm not alone!

I’ve been guilty of this sin for decades.

To be clear, there’s nothing wrong with being a fan who roots for “meaningless wins.” But there is something tragically absurd (to the point of franchise malpractice) that the Knicks choose to draft 8-12 almost every year for an entire generation because they can’t resist winning late-season games after the Playoffs are out of reach.

At least this year it was behind RJ, Obi and IQ. Whereas the braintrust of years past would have seen us beating non-playoff teams behind such future stars as Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel, Derrick Rose, Evan Fournier, and Taj Gibson.

I’m like 99% sure that one of the teams just above us will get lucky and land in the top 3 this year. But we’ll draft 12th because we really needed those extra 5 wins in April.

Yeah, it's kind of upsetting to win so many games at the end, but let's say we made certain to lose all those games. The effect on our up and coming players would have been horrible (Obi, Quick, even RJ). So it's not the best to play poorly all season, and then win at the end, but there would have also been a downside if we squandered the chance to see the young guys play out.

Clearly, we'll have a lot more fun if we start winning at the beginning of next season and continue throughout. Having seen my first game on TV as a kid when we won the championship, I'm not a fan of mediocrity, either. Our team has been very mishandled by multiple front offices over the years. When we talk about how to win, however, we all need to keep in mind that there are very few ways to win (often, they aren't the ways we'd have expected) and many ways to totally screw things up. Just because any given one of us has a different approach than the current FO doesn't mean it's actually going to be better.

I wish there were some stats on championship teams showing how they were created (having great draft picks, have poor draft picks but making good choices, free agency, trades, etc.) to show which approach is statistically most likely to work. Of course, even with the best plan, a lousy FO can muck it all up (poor draft choices, poor trades, poor FA signings, etc.)

Yeah, I really disagree and don’t think it’s so complicated. It’s extremely simple logic that the Knicks have punted on drafting a franchise-level talent for 20 years now because they want to chase a playoff appearance each and every year no matter what.

RJ, IQ and Obi’s development is nice to see but none of them project to be a Ewing-level franchise changer. If we can’t sign one in FA because of Dolan. If we can’t trade for one on the trade market, again, because of Dolan. Then the only way to get one is by drafting one. The best chance of that would be multiple shots at a top 3 pick over multiple years like we see in just about every other bottom-dwelling NBA city.

It is absolute inexcusable franchise malpractice to field teams year after year designed to simply make the playoffs (with no hope whatsoever at a championship). No matter how much we develop RJ, Obi, IQ, Mitch and Grimes none of them can ever be the franchise talent we need. Our FO is getting paid big bucks to perpetuate the ego-myth that top talent will eventually accept Dolan as cool again, which they won’t. It’s a lie. Just like going for the playoffs every year is a lie.

But hey, I love nothing more in life than a $30 Carnegie Deli pastrami from a $200 lower-bowl seat to scream on my Knicks a couple times a year.

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Look who’s missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Obi Burks Simms Mitch Grimes McBride Noel Rose gone also?

I think the point is that the supposed "leader" of the team should be representing.

Imagine the "best player" on another team (Lebron, etc.) not being in the farewell vid thanking the fans.

kind of suspect, no?

Dolan knows how to make money if he gives you guys clues now then less ppl will buy season tickets lol.