Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[HarthorneWingo]

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Conflict of interest there Tony. Met fan like Donovan? Meanwhile we’re waiting for actual Donovan news.

The Mets aren't trading for Soto and the Nats aren't trading him to the Mets, even though I think that the prohibition against trading a star to a divisional rival is overblown depending on timelines.

[SelbyCobra]

[Galvationknicks]

People crying about the media not allowed in the JB welcome need to chill. It was his day and he shouldnt have to be bombarded by Donovon questions, and what if scenario's. Finally a good look from the Knicks media team to keep him protected, comfortable, and welcomed by fans with no agendas, then by rapid reporters with financial agendas. That bitter dude can EAD.

I'm glad they're bitter. All the bashing over the years. F them. We don't care about the media. Rather rock with kftv kfs kot

[robillionaire]

43 game stretch he was averaging 62 touches per game and scoring 23.3ppg, he can be more than Wiggins. This is also why I want to keep Obi, we're going to need "Get out the way and let Mitchell / Brunson cook" type of players.

wiggins is currently a much better overall defender and shooter than rj which is probably the most important to being a role player in today's nba. i think he also has a bit more positional versatility, because he can much better play the 4 over RJ. he really stepped up in the playoffs and especially the finals where his rebounding in traffic was much needed and he offered some level of paint resistance that i'm not sure rj can get to

i'm also not sure obi is really THAT guy unless he also proves his shooting and defense which are still question marks. it's why i like grimes, cause i know he can at least do that on a cheap deal

It took Wiggins 8 seasons to become that, most of you would have gotten rid of him just like the Wolves did

you wouldn't have wanted to get rid of wiggins if he was due for an extension on the knicks in 2018? from an outside perspective, it was easy to see how unworthy of an extension wiggins was at the time, I feel like most NBA fans realize this about RJ besides us

[robillionaire]

People crying about the media not allowed in the JB welcome need to chill. It was his day and he shouldnt have to be bombarded by Donovon questions, and what if scenario's. Finally a good look from the Knicks media team to keep him protected, comfortable, and welcomed by fans with no agendas, then by rapid reporters with financial agendas. That bitter dude can EAD.

I'm glad they're bitter. All the bashing over the years. F them. We don't care about the media. Rather rock with kftv kfs kot

same, especially berman, Murdoch propaganda isn't even real media, they should just ban that goon from MSG

[stuporman]

I feel like everyone misses the boat a bit on RJ. He's wildly inconsistent. He has games where he's hot, making all the right plays, and making an impact on defense. Everyone gets behind him and he looks like a real first option. Then he has games where he's off and plays the team out of the game.

The hope is he can do more of the former because the rest of the young group ain't that. Maybe Cam but Cam is another level of inconsistent. He's not even in the game at times.

When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.

[ibraheim718]

I feel like everyone misses the boat a bit on RJ. He's wildly inconsistent. He has games where he's hot, making all the right plays, and making an impact on defense. Everyone gets behind him and he looks like a real first option. Then he has games where he's off and plays the team out of the game.

The hope is he can do more of the former because the rest of the young group ain't that. Maybe Cam but Cam is another level of inconsistent. He's not even in the game at times. Especially with a steady leader like Brunson next to him. And maybe a real first option like Mitchell to ease his role.

I don't think he'd be as inconsistent if he didn't play with Julius Randle. If they trade for Mitchell any ceiling RJ will reach won't be in NY.

[ctorres]

Cam is another level of inconsistent.

Cam is Tim Thomas level inconsistent. If the Knicks are lucky, that will be his peak.

[ibraheim718]

I feel like everyone misses the boat a bit on RJ. He's wildly inconsistent. He has games where he's hot, making all the right plays, and making an impact on defense. Everyone gets behind him and he looks like a real first option. Then he has games where he's off and plays the team out of the game.

The hope is he can do more of the former because the rest of the young group ain't that. Maybe Cam but Cam is another level of inconsistent. He's not even in the game at times.

When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.

It comes down to two things.. 1 not really committing to your 3rd pick as any kind of franchise player and 2 not really knowing how to build a team properly.

[RHODEY]

I feel like everyone misses the boat a bit on RJ. He's wildly inconsistent. He has games where he's hot, making all the right plays, and making an impact on defense. Everyone gets behind him and he looks like a real first option. Then he has games where he's off and plays the team out of the game.

The hope is he can do more of the former because the rest of the young group ain't that. Maybe Cam but Cam is another level of inconsistent. He's not even in the game at times.

When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.

This. I would say that's what happened with Wiggins on the Warriors.

[ibraheim718]

Cam is another level of inconsistent.

Cam is Tim Thomas level inconsistent. If the Knicks are lucky, that will be his peak.

Reddish gives spotty effort whereas RJ's effort is pretty consistent he's just not in the best position to thrive playing next to an all-time overrated bum.

[stuporman]

I feel like everyone misses the boat a bit on RJ. He's wildly inconsistent. He has games where he's hot, making all the right plays, and making an impact on defense. Everyone gets behind him and he looks like a real first option. Then he has games where he's off and plays the team out of the game.

The hope is he can do more of the former because the rest of the young group ain't that. Maybe Cam but Cam is another level of inconsistent. He's not even in the game at times.

When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.

This. I would say that's what happened with Wiggins on the Warriors.

Undoubtedly.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

wiggins is currently a much better overall defender and shooter than rj which is probably the most important to being a role player in today's nba. i think he also has a bit more positional versatility, because he can much better play the 4 over RJ. he really stepped up in the playoffs and especially the finals where his rebounding in traffic was much needed and he offered some level of paint resistance that i'm not sure rj can get to

i'm also not sure obi is really THAT guy unless he also proves his shooting and defense which are still question marks. it's why i like grimes, cause i know he can at least do that on a cheap deal

It took Wiggins 8 seasons to become that, most of you would have gotten rid of him just like the Wolves did, because yall are even more harsh with RJ, who actually looks like he cares.

I would like us to see what we actually have with Obi before we decide whether or not he's the guy, we're not going to be in a position to contend for a title, so him being able to play defense or shoot next season aren't that important. Finding out if he can do those things should be the goal, what we know is he's exactly the type of low usage player you want with ball dominant guards. Grimes has no place if Mitchell and Brunson are on the team, unlike with Obi there's a lot of uncertainty about the guy in front of him.

it's true that it took wiggins 8 seasons to become that, yet he is still underperforming his contract and what he provides a team for $30m/year is really poor value, you must admit. yes, the wolves got rid of him, but at this point in time, the future looks brighter now than at any point with him outside of maybe that 1 jimmy butler year, but jimmy couldn't handle him or kat, so it never would have lasted. i'm glad he cares, but unfortunately.. caring doesn't win games

if it turns out next season, he's a pretty average shooter and defender, great his value goes up. every year it turns out that he isn't, his value goes down. maybe the FO just doesn't want to risk it, to which i understand

in theory, if we keep grimes, i would think we probably lose quickley and fournier. there should be ample minutes for him to play at the 2/3 because i'm honestly not sure how playable cam reddish is if we keep him. he also suffers from the can't shoot and can't play defense syndrome

Underperforming? He was literally the 2nd best player on a championship team and had Tatum in jail . The point is, yall wouldn't have wanted to keep Wiggins, now he's some target that RJ has no hope of hitting.

Here's the thing, finding PF's who can play off the ball and will hustle isn't exactly that easy to do, the most important thing about Obi right now is the effort is there regardless of whether or not he gets the ball. And with two guards eating up a lot of possessions that is vital, because it's not as easy to find starting caliber PFs to begin with let alone those that are cool with being the "stand in the corner" guy. If he's not traded, we need to know what he can do, the team will have limited avenues to improve because of all the picks going out.

They want Grimes, it's unlikely we keep him.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

wouldn't have said anything if the stats weren't fake

Your counter stats were fake

they were closer to reality than the original stats

Yours were fake, the only person who posted the right ones was me, doesn't matter who was closer you were passing off fraud.

[stuporman]

I feel like everyone misses the boat a bit on RJ. He's wildly inconsistent. He has games where he's hot, making all the right plays, and making an impact on defense. Everyone gets behind him and he looks like a real first option. Then he has games where he's off and plays the team out of the game.

The hope is he can do more of the former because the rest of the young group ain't that. Maybe Cam but Cam is another level of inconsistent. He's not even in the game at times.

When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.

It comes down to two things.. 1 not really committing to your 3rd pick as any kind of franchise player and 2 not really knowing how to build a team properly.

I think labels like 'franchise player' get thrown around casually but we have to take those labels and throw them away completely. RJ was one of the youngest players in his draft class and was coming in having quite a few things to improve on since he was so young relying on natural talent so much.

A team getting the number 3 pick is going to be a pretty bad one and the previous regime didn't have a real clear vision for the team. Then a change in FO with them spinning the player carousel trying to level up the talent didn't do him any favors but he still improved every season.

Let's see if the vision this FO has for the team can stabilize the franchise and allow RJ to flourish so possibly reach his potential. He may not ever become a number 1 option but a player who is a super productive well rounded 2nd or 3rd option is very valuable to winning teams.

Time will tell obviously.

[robillionaire]

When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.

It comes down to two things.. 1 not really committing to your 3rd pick as any kind of franchise player and 2 not really knowing how to build a team properly.

I think labels like 'franchise player' get thrown around casually but we have to take those labels and throw them away completely. RJ was one of the youngest players in his draft class and was coming in having quite a few things to improve on since he was so young relying on natural talent so much.

A team getting the number 3 pick is going to be a pretty bad one and the previous regime didn't have a real clear vision for the team. Then a change in FO with them spinning the player carousel trying to level up the talent didn't do him any favors but he still improved every season.

Let's see if the vision this FO has for the team can stabilize the franchise and allow RJ to flourish so possibly reach his potential. He may not ever become a number 1 option but a player who is a super productive well rounded 2nd or 3 option is very valuable to winning teams.

Time will tell obviously.

Why can't we just do what the suns did with ayton and just let him go try to get paid next year and then match it, seems like that's the way to handle it

[NoDopeOnSundays]

wiggins is currently a much better overall defender and shooter than rj which is probably the most important to being a role player in today's nba. i think he also has a bit more positional versatility, because he can much better play the 4 over RJ. he really stepped up in the playoffs and especially the finals where his rebounding in traffic was much needed and he offered some level of paint resistance that i'm not sure rj can get to

i'm also not sure obi is really THAT guy unless he also proves his shooting and defense which are still question marks. it's why i like grimes, cause i know he can at least do that on a cheap deal

It took Wiggins 8 seasons to become that, most of you would have gotten rid of him just like the Wolves did

you wouldn't have wanted to get rid of wiggins if he was due for an extension on the knicks in 2018? from an outside perspective, it was easy to see how unworthy of an extension wiggins was at the time, I feel like most NBA fans realize this about RJ besides us

Most people on the main board like RJ, same with Reddit, he's pretty much the player everyone outside of this bizzaro world says has any value. Even someone like Bill Simmons is always saying he likes RJ, despite always hitting on the Knicks. You need to get out of this part of the bubble sometime.


And a team in the Wolves position shouldn't have traded Wiggins, that was literally Wiggins and Kuminga right out the window I value wings above every other position in the league, I will always give them extra time to prove themselves.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Your counter stats were fake

they were closer to reality than the original stats

Yours were fake, the only person who posted the right ones was me, doesn't matter who was closer you were passing off fraud.

i showed my work and my stats. i didn't pass off anything as fraud like obimuse pitiful

[NoDopeOnSundays]

they were closer to reality than the original stats

Yours were fake, the only person who posted the right ones was me, doesn't matter who was closer you were passing off fraud.

i showed my work and my stats. i didn't pass off anything as fraud like obimuse pitiful

Your numbers were fraud, missing 1/3 of the games, if those were your taxes the IRS would be auditing you right now getting you ready for the Wesley Snipes treatment.

[Ghetto Gospel]

It took Wiggins 8 seasons to become that, most of you would have gotten rid of him just like the Wolves did, because yall are even more harsh with RJ, who actually looks like he cares.

I would like us to see what we actually have with Obi before we decide whether or not he's the guy, we're not going to be in a position to contend for a title, so him being able to play defense or shoot next season aren't that important. Finding out if he can do those things should be the goal, what we know is he's exactly the type of low usage player you want with ball dominant guards. Grimes has no place if Mitchell and Brunson are on the team, unlike with Obi there's a lot of uncertainty about the guy in front of him.

it's true that it took wiggins 8 seasons to become that, yet he is still underperforming his contract and what he provides a team for $30m/year is really poor value, you must admit. yes, the wolves got rid of him, but at this point in time, the future looks brighter now than at any point with him outside of maybe that 1 jimmy butler year, but jimmy couldn't handle him or kat, so it never would have lasted. i'm glad he cares, but unfortunately.. caring doesn't win games

if it turns out next season, he's a pretty average shooter and defender, great his value goes up. every year it turns out that he isn't, his value goes down. maybe the FO just doesn't want to risk it, to which i understand

in theory, if we keep grimes, i would think we probably lose quickley and fournier. there should be ample minutes for him to play at the 2/3 because i'm honestly not sure how playable cam reddish is if we keep him. he also suffers from the can't shoot and can't play defense syndrome

Underperforming? He was literally the 2nd best player on a championship team and had Tatum in jail . The point is, yall wouldn't have wanted to keep Wiggins, now he's some target that RJ has no hope of hitting.

Here's the thing, finding PF's who can play off the ball and will hustle isn't exactly that easy to do, the most important thing about Obi right now is the effort is there regardless of whether or not he gets the ball. And with two guards eating up a lot of possessions that is vital, because it's not as easy to find starting caliber PFs to begin with let alone those that are cool with being the "stand in the corner" guy. If he's not traded, we need to know what he can do, the team will have limited avenues to improve because of all the picks going out.

They want Grimes, it's unlikely we keep him.

false, the 2nd best player on the warriors is draymond green, he makes that entire defense work and has for many years now

false, i feel like these kind of guys were consistently available and findable. they've just been phased out of the league as teams are looking for bigs that can stretch the floor or going small.

well i want him