OG Anunoby Traded to Knicks, Part 2

[KnicksGadfly]

What separates IQ from all these other "microwave" scorers is his defense. Crawford, Herro, Lou Williams, none of these guys played defense like him. IQ is the all time Knicks franchise leader in plus minus for a reason. He makes a Derrick White type of impact when it comes to intangibles.

Also IQ is an efficient scorer. He's at 59.6 TS%, 45% FG, 40% from three. The man has no evidence.

You never addressed my post. Was Quickley more than just a role player for the Knicks? And was he consistent while he was here?

Was that your post? This is your post: "I always saw the guy as a smaller version of Jamal Crawford. Great guy to have off the bench on a contending team, but is too inconsistent to be considered a number 2 or 3 option."

So, let me address your question:
1. He was a 6th man who deserved more opportunities, and who the Raptors saw as their number 2 guy. Slated to earn 20 million+.
2. Yes, he was. Also, if you disagree, give me something more than your "eye-test," which is extremely suspect right now.

Also, if you throw out Crawford as a comparison, then expect to get...posters refuting your Crawford comparisons.

[cgf]

On IQ as a no.2 or 3 option. I can't see him as a no.2 option. He just doesn't create off the dribble well enough. He is quick, can shoot and has a penchant for hitting trick shots but at his size and lack of top shelf ball skills I don't see him as a starter. No team has a 2nd coming off the bench. As a 3rd option? Again, him being relegated to be a bench player makes that difficult unless your starting rotation is built around 2 offensive studs surrounded by 3 role players. Then sure. I would have said this even if he was still a Knick so him not being on the team doesn't make a bid of difference. Most you guys know that I don't do the "oh he's a Knick he's better than he is, oh he's not a Knick he's worse than he is" thing.

I see IQ as more of a 3rd option too...but if he learns how to get all of the way to the rim, that could change. His float game is great, but it's still not as good as getting layups, if he had that in his arsenal as a real weapon, then he could be a top 2 guy.

[knicks94]

Also IQ is an efficient scorer. He's at 59.6 TS%, 45% FG, 40% from three. The man has no evidence.

You never addressed my post. Was Quickley more than just a role player for the Knicks? And was he consistent while he was here?

Was that your post? This is your post: "I always saw the guy as a smaller version of Jamal Crawford. Great guy to have off the bench on a contending team, but is too inconsistent to be considered a number 2 or 3 option."

So, let me address your question:
1. He was a 6th man who deserved more opportunities, and who the Raptors saw as their number 2 guy. Slated to earn 20 million+.
2. Yes, he was. Also, if you disagree, give me something more than your "eye-test," which is extremely suspect right now.

Also, if you throw out Crawford as a comparison, then expect to get...posters refuting your Crawford comparisons.

1. I indicated that he couldn't be a number 2 option, because he never proved to be more than a bench player when he was with the Knicks. To argue that he will be a number 2 or 3 option on a successful Raptors team due to his career numbers is a huge leap of faith.

2. Just look at Quickley's postseason numbers, he wasn't much of a factor for the Knicks in 3 playoff series. Any player who follows a productive regular season with an unproductive postseason is inconsistent in my book.

Again, you overlook the fact that in no way was I comparing the career numbers of Crawford to Quickley's. That was not the point of my post. You quickly assumed that and read more into my post then what was actually there. Even after I clarified my original post you ignored it and continued to assume that was what my argument was.

[WaltFrazier]

True, but we have to remember, OG is paying Sam Rose to work for him, not the other way around.

I don't think OG walks...but ultimately Sam will do what his client wants; even it doesn't benefit the Knicks, as we saw with the Obi debacle.

While true, there is some backlog to be considered as far as negotiations are handled. I do expect OG to be paid a good amount while at the same time give the Knicks wiggle room to improve the roster.

If it's true that he'll take less to play in New York, that would be a home run for the CAA mafia.

Cuz If the Knicks make a deep playoff run with OG as the catalyst, teams will make him some crazy offers.

If the Sixers don't make a move this deadline I'm sure Nick Nurse would love him next year

[HopelessKnick]

While true, there is some backlog to be considered as far as negotiations are handled. I do expect OG to be paid a good amount while at the same time give the Knicks wiggle room to improve the roster.

If it's true that he'll take less to play in New York, that would be a home run for the CAA mafia.

Cuz If the Knicks make a deep playoff run with OG as the catalyst, teams will make him some crazy offers.

If the Sixers don't make a move this deadline I'm sure Nick Nurse would love him next year

I think there is really zero chance Leon would have traded away RJ and IQ if there was even 1% doubt about OG resigning here. I think we can put those doubts to rest. OG will be a knick for a long time.

[WaltFrazier]

If it's true that he'll take less to play in New York, that would be a home run for the CAA mafia.

Cuz If the Knicks make a deep playoff run with OG as the catalyst, teams will make him some crazy offers.

If the Sixers don't make a move this deadline I'm sure Nick Nurse would love him next year

I think there is really zero chance Leon would have traded away RJ and IQ if there was even 1% doubt about OG resigning here. I think we can put those doubts to rest. OG will be a knick for a long time.

Makes sense.

[The Lamma]

OG in 3 games as a Knick

[TrueWarrior]

Still cant believe we actually traded for this guy, after talking about him for like 2 damn years.

I must have posted about the RJ and IQ for OG trade idea 50 times, and the lawsuit made it seem like a pipedream, then it actually happens. It made too much sense for both teams.

Was hoping we could leave IQ out of it, but Masai obviously specifically targeted IQ. All these other teams probably had comparable offers, but none of them were offering a young 2 way guard with starter potential who fits alongside Scottie like we were. Masai didnt want picks in the end, but players (specifically guards).

RJ was basically a throw in to match salaries, a reclamation project, and nice story being from Canada, but no way they do the deal with just RJ and 1-2 1sts even if that was what we wanted.

Just glad it’s over. Our starters are better and our ceiling has been raised. OG should be here for many years to come, and allows us to do so many things on both ends with his versatility. He’s not even in his final form either.

[Context]

Still cant believe we actually traded for this guy, after talking about him for like 2 damn years.

I must have posted about the RJ and IQ for OG trade idea 50 times, and the lawsuit made it seem like a pipedream, then it actually happens. It made too much sense for both teams.

Was hoping we could leave IQ out of it, but Masai obviously specifically targeted IQ. All these other teams probably had comparable offers, but none of them were offering a 2 way guard with starter potential who fits alongside Scottie like we were. Masai didnt want picks in the end, but players (specifically guards).

RJ was basically a throw in to match salaries and a reclamation project, and nice story being from Canada, but no way they do the deal with just RJ and 1-2 1sts even if that was what we wanted.

Just glad it’s over. Our starters are better and oir ceiling has been raised. OG should be here for many years to come, and allows us to do so many things on both ends with his versatility.

Long time no see TW...
Yesterday was my first full Knick game in years -Yet, when I heard about the trade- I knew it would make us better!

[DrCoach]

if og were to walk after the season (worst case scenario), it really wouldn't have been that expensive a rental if we were going to let quickley walk anyway.

effectively dumping rj for a 2nd

If OG walks WE ARE DONE!
We won’t have the cap to get a replacement and tbh, there isn’t one.
And on top of that, then D. Mitchell makes no sense and we’d need Murray but w no OG we would just be mid+.
And w Brunson and JR lacking defense, we again would be done and mid.

At that point just fire Thibs and blow this up.

Dramatic much ?

[Buttah304]

Still cant believe we actually traded for this guy, after talking about him for like 2 damn years.

I must have posted about the RJ and IQ for OG trade idea 50 times, and the lawsuit made it seem like a pipedream, then it actually happens. It made too much sense for both teams.

Was hoping we could leave IQ out of it, but Masai obviously specifically targeted IQ. All these other teams probably had comparable offers, but none of them were offering a young 2 way guard with starter potential who fits alongside Scottie like we were. Masai didnt want picks in the end, but players (specifically guards).

RJ was basically a throw in to match salaries, a reclamation project, and nice story being from Canada, but no way they do the deal with just RJ and 1-2 1sts even if that was what we wanted.

Just glad it’s over. Our starters are better and oir ceiling has been raised. OG should be here for many years to come, and allows us to do so many things on both ends with his versatility.

I can’t even put this into proper words how great it feels to no longer be associated with that expression. Feels like for the longest time each head coach was going to bring out the best in some player where so many others had previously failed.

By no means am I putting him at these players levels but our “well get him right” fixer-upper list was endless: Mario Hezonja, Dennis Smith JR, Cam Reddish, Emmanuel Mudiay, Maurice Harkless, Frank Ntilikina

Feels refreshing to have another organization spend countless man hours and resources to try and fix someone who (a) has never showed signs of changing his DNA as a player and (b) happens to be making close to 30M annually

[ScienceOfLosing]

if og were to walk after the season (worst case scenario), it really wouldn't have been that expensive a rental if we were going to let quickley walk anyway.

effectively dumping rj for a 2nd

If OG walks WE ARE DONE!
We won’t have the cap to get a replacement and tbh, there isn’t one.
And on top of that, then D. Mitchell makes no sense and we’d need Murray but w no OG we would just be mid+.
And w Brunson and JR lacking defense, we again would be done and mid.

At that point just fire Thibs and blow this up.

Dramatic much ?

I can see how it looks like that. But I said it to exagerate and catch his attention.
The problem was him saying OG walking wouldn’t be a big deal.

[Fat Kat]

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[MrDollarBills]

OG's defensive effort has infected the entire team.

Leon robbed Masai blind in this trade, and I am someone who liked RJ and IQ. Getting this guy without any draft picks is criminal.

[KnixinSix]

Still cant believe we actually traded for this guy, after talking about him for like 2 damn years.

I must have posted about the RJ and IQ for OG trade idea 50 times, and the lawsuit made it seem like a pipedream, then it actually happens. It made too much sense for both teams.

Was hoping we could leave IQ out of it, but Masai obviously specifically targeted IQ. All these other teams probably had comparable offers, but none of them were offering a young 2 way guard with starter potential who fits alongside Scottie like we were. Masai didnt want picks in the end, but players (specifically guards).

RJ was basically a throw in to match salaries, a reclamation project, and nice story being from Canada, but no way they do the deal with just RJ and 1-2 1sts even if that was what we wanted.

Just glad it’s over. Our starters are better and our ceiling has been raised. OG should be here for many years to come, and allows us to do so many things on both ends with his versatility. He’s not even in his final form either.

If we watched how important Bullock was for a Thibodeaux system you kind of get an idea of just how big an addition a better more versatile Bullock type could be. +74 in 4 games. Wow.

Now get a better offensive Elfrid Payton and you are really cooking.

[Guano]

OG is worth 40m a year

[KnixinSix]

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This is yet another reason adding Murray (w/o giving up Randle) would be a big add.

[stuporman]

OG's defensive effort has infected the entire team.

Leon robbed Masai blind in this trade, and I am someone who liked RJ and IQ. Getting this guy without any draft picks is criminal.

I don't mean to disagree with you but apparently the 31st pick in the draft the greatest draft asset that there is...according to the internet experts. It doesn't matter that it's also in possibly the weakest draft in a decade, we are talking about potential....its potential is immeasurable and unlimited.

[MrDollarBills]

OG's defensive effort has infected the entire team.

Leon robbed Masai blind in this trade, and I am someone who liked RJ and IQ. Getting this guy without any draft picks is criminal.

I don't mean to disagree with you but apparently the 31st pick in the draft the greatest draft asset that there is...according to the internet experts. It doesn't matter that it's also in possibly the weakest draft in a decade, we are talking about potential....its potential is immeasurable and unlimited.

I respect your opinion, sir.

[robillionaire]

OG's defensive effort has infected the entire team.

Leon robbed Masai blind in this trade, and I am someone who liked RJ and IQ. Getting this guy without any draft picks is criminal.

That’s interesting because in the trade thread when I proposed IQ and RJ for OG 3 days before it happened everyone insisted that we lose the deal. Now seeing it in action it doesn’t seem that’s the case

Whether or not it’s a robbery depends on what those guys do over there and whether or not we can hang on to OG but the early returns look promising

Personally I agree with your position. We are better off in ways I can’t even begin to explain with RJ gone and IQ as much as I like him was going to be an overpay for a guy we couldn’t start at PG. Meanwhile OG is looking like he was the missing piece