PG: Thank You Buzz For Your Service. Fk Lebron

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You can like Hart, at the end of the day passing up wide open threes to drive and kick ot shoot fades is a problem, and it became a problem against the Heat that all the glue guy hustle stuff couldn't make up for. This is the best offensive rebounding team in the NBA, just shoot the **** ball and live with the results, driving in to take a contested 2 after passing up an open three is just idiotic.


He was 2-6 from three last night and 3-10 from 2, I would have rather he finished the game 2-12 from three if it meant passing up on those dumb fades.

Then GET a floor spacer. We don't ask Deuce to guard Giannis. Or Mitch to bring the ball up.

He took 6.4 threes a game with Portland, and he's down to 2.8 per game with us. Instead of trading for another player, as a 35% career three point shooter he could just you know............

[HerSports85]

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[Chanel Bomber]

agree with most of your statement, but I think the team now proved on more than one occation that Mitch can relatively easy be replaced. I don't have a problem with Hart not beeing a floor spacer. he does a lot of things well, like you've stated. At some point in the playoffs it is going to be a problem that you don't have spacing from the 4 and 5 in addition to him.

I don't think Mitch can "easily" be replaced. One could make the case that iHart should start and that's fine. But it will be extremely hard to find somebody who can provide the elite defense and rebounding that Mitch provides for a reasonable price. iHart is not going to play 48 minutes a game if you keep him.

Harteinstein is a quality center who we signed for a bargain contract. He's arguably the best back-up center in the whole league and would probably start for half the teams in the league. That's why we didn't see a significant drop-off from the center position when Mitch got hurt. They bring different qualities/weaknesses but they're pretty much on the same level. It's a nice luxury to have. They're both expandable in the right deal.

disagree here. I am not saying Mitch is a bad player, don't get me wrong, but having a center who can pass the ball, make FTs while also provide similar rebounding and defense is a major upgrade. at some point you can't pay all players, so Mitch could go out in a bigger trade imo.

I think your perception is warped by the OG trade to some extent.

Our defense collapsed when Mitch went down. Our offense took off too. Both happened. Our defense only became elite when OG was brought in and RJ was gone. When both Mitch and OG return, our defense may reach another level not yet seen from this squad.

iHart is a more well-rounded, two-way player, but Mitch provides something else that has been hugely impactful for the team.

Mitch's contract will account for only 10% of the salary cap next season. For his impact, I think it's a more than fair contract, and one you wouldn't find in the marketplace today. Of course he's expandable for a star.

[8516knicks]

You can like Hart, at the end of the day passing up wide open threes to drive and kick ot shoot fades is a problem, and it became a problem against the Heat that all the glue guy hustle stuff couldn't make up for. This is the best offensive rebounding team in the NBA, just shoot the **** ball and live with the results, driving in to take a contested 2 after passing up an open three is just idiotic.


He was 2-6 from three last night and 3-10 from 2, I would have rather he finished the game 2-12 from three if it meant passing up on those dumb fades.

Then GET a floor spacer. We don't ask Deuce to guard Giannis. Or Mitch to bring the ball up.

He took 6.4 threes a game with Portland, and he's down to 2.8 per game with us. Instead of trading for another player, as a 35% career three point shooter he could just you know............


Deuce got 19 pts 6 rebs 5 assits against Memphis. All he needs to do is do it EVERY game and we'll be fine also!

Sims got 3 blocks in 13 min against Indiana = 9 blocks in 39 min. All he needs to do is do that EVERY game and we'll be fine!

Taj averaged 12 pts 7 rebs in 2017. All he needs to do is do that this season and we'll be fine!

[Buttah304]

Maybe the Brunchester Knicks can beat the Grizzlies. That's the only win I see left before the all star break

Meanwhile you got the Cavs who just played the trifecta of Detroit, Memphis and San Antonio and go into the break playing Washington, BK, tanking Raptors, Embiidless Sixers and a Bulls team that doesn’t score. And don’t you worry after the break they run it back with Philly and Washington again

Cavs may not lose until March.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't think Mitch can "easily" be replaced. One could make the case that iHart should start and that's fine. But it will be extremely hard to find somebody who can provide the elite defense and rebounding that Mitch provides for a reasonable price. iHart is not going to play 48 minutes a game if you keep him.

Harteinstein is a quality center who we signed for a bargain contract. He's arguably the best back-up center in the whole league and would probably start for half the teams in the league. That's why we didn't see a significant drop-off from the center position when Mitch got hurt. They bring different qualities/weaknesses but they're pretty much on the same level. It's a nice luxury to have. They're both expandable in the right deal.

disagree here. I am not saying Mitch is a bad player, don't get me wrong, but having a center who can pass the ball, make FTs while also provide similar rebounding and defense is a major upgrade. at some point you can't pay all players, so Mitch could go out in a bigger trade imo.

I think your perception is warped by the OG trade to some extent.

Our defense collapsed when Mitch went down. Our offense took off too. Both happened. Our defense only became elite when OG was brought in and RJ was gone. When both Mitch and OG return, our defense may reach another level not yet seen from this squad.

iHart is a more well-rounded, two-way player, but Mitch provides something else that has been hugely impactful for the team.

Mitch's contract will account for only 10% of the salary cap next season. For his impact, I think it's a more than fair contract, and one you wouldn't find in the marketplace today. Of course he's expandable for a star.

We started playing better opponents, and even before that our defense had been pretty much ass against good teams, we gave up 116 pts to a KD-Beal less Suns team and were rolled by the Wolves. Our offense against good teams was pitiful with Mitch as well, which is never really brought up for whatever reason.

Most importantly, 10% of the cap for a guy that regularly misses around 40% of the season? That's not money well spent.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Then GET a floor spacer. We don't ask Deuce to guard Giannis. Or Mitch to bring the ball up.

He took 6.4 threes a game with Portland, and he's down to 2.8 per game with us. Instead of trading for another player, as a 35% career three point shooter he could just you know............


Deuce got 19 pts 6 rebs 5 assits against Memphis. All he needs to do is do it EVERY game and we'll be fine also!

Sims got 3 blocks in 13 min against Indiana = 9 blocks in 39 min. All he needs to do is do that EVERY game and we'll be fine!

Taj averaged 12 pts 7 rebs in 2017. All he needs to do is do that this season and we'll be fine!

That would be funny, if it weren't for the fact he decided that taking threes was no longer part of the menu when he joined us.

Lakers/Pels/Blazers

3.1 in 23mpg
4.1 in 26mpg
5.4 in 27mpg
4.1 in 29mpg
3.9 in 33mpg
(6.4 in 32mpg traded to Portland)




With us
2.1 in 30mpg
2.8 in 29mpg


But hey, lets trade for another wing to do what Josh had done before he got here

[Chanel Bomber]

disagree here. I am not saying Mitch is a bad player, don't get me wrong, but having a center who can pass the ball, make FTs while also provide similar rebounding and defense is a major upgrade. at some point you can't pay all players, so Mitch could go out in a bigger trade imo.

I think your perception is warped by the OG trade to some extent.

Our defense collapsed when Mitch went down. Our offense took off too. Both happened. Our defense only became elite when OG was brought in and RJ was gone. When both Mitch and OG return, our defense may reach another level not yet seen from this squad.

iHart is a more well-rounded, two-way player, but Mitch provides something else that has been hugely impactful for the team.

Mitch's contract will account for only 10% of the salary cap next season. For his impact, I think it's a more than fair contract, and one you wouldn't find in the marketplace today. Of course he's expandable for a star.

We started playing better opponents, and even before that our defense had been pretty much ass against good teams, we gave up 116 pts to a KD-Beal less Suns team and were rolled by the Wolves. Our offense against good teams was pitiful with Mitch as well, which is never really brought up for whatever reason.

Most importantly, 10% of the cap for a guy that regularly misses around 40% of the season? That's not money well spent.

I was about to mention this. The rationale for trading Mitch I understand the most is his health. That's a fair point.

His on-court impact however is undeniable.

His lack of shooting and on-ball skills are an issue for the offense, but the defense and the rebounding offset those for a positive net value.

If the intention is to resign iHart, then Mitch is obviously expandable in a trade for a star or another big wing who can be positionally versatile. These players don't grow on trees so they might as well keep him and value him for now. They still project to be below the apron after this summer. When Brunson becomes a free agent, Mitch will be a $13 million expiring contract. I don't think it's a major risk.

[F N 11]

Starting to wonder how Josh Hart got that money to be a rebounder / sometimes defender and irrelevant in half court. Down mad heads and he refuse to be aggressive.

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Be better Fn11 be better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still limited for the money. He should have got a little over Donte.

[Clyde_Style]

people mad at thibs because he didn't play jacob toppin. this is not a serious place.

Yeah, well, some here want Lebron James on this team, so we'll each call it how we see it

[8516knicks]

He took 6.4 threes a game with Portland, and he's down to 2.8 per game with us. Instead of trading for another player, as a 35% career three point shooter he could just you know............


Deuce got 19 pts 6 rebs 5 assits against Memphis. All he needs to do is do it EVERY game and we'll be fine also!

Sims got 3 blocks in 13 min against Indiana = 9 blocks in 39 min. All he needs to do is do that EVERY game and we'll be fine!

Taj averaged 12 pts 7 rebs in 2017. All he needs to do is do that this season and we'll be fine!

That would be funny, if it weren't for the fact he decided that taking threes was no longer part of the menu when he joined us.

Lakers/Pels/Blazers

3.1 in 23mpg
4.1 in 26mpg
5.4 in 27mpg
4.1 in 29mpg
3.9 in 33mpg
(6.4 in 32mpg traded to Portland)




With us
2.1 in 30mpg
2.8 in 29mpg


But hey, lets trade for another wing to do what Josh had done before he got here

Right after Taj goes back to 12 & 7 like before he got here.

Come to think of it Evan Fournier shot 46.3% from 3pts right before he came here. Let's just go back to that, eh?

[Clyde_Style]

We lose 1 out of 10, and every Knick fan does a quick mental inventory confirming that we do still in fact own a pitchfork back there someplace.

The actual toughened up hard core Knicks fans with any patience sometimes feel like a minority in here after any loss. Zero gratitude for a nine game streak and it's jihadism the second we lose with a plethora of trades and accusatory pointed fingers looking to burn the house down.

All of these instant whiners would NEVER have signed Brunson, Donte and Hartenstein. They don't have the vision to build a team.

These are not the people you want next to you in the foxhole when the barbarians are coming over the hill.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He took 6.4 threes a game with Portland, and he's down to 2.8 per game with us. Instead of trading for another player, as a 35% career three point shooter he could just you know............


Deuce got 19 pts 6 rebs 5 assits against Memphis. All he needs to do is do it EVERY game and we'll be fine also!

Sims got 3 blocks in 13 min against Indiana = 9 blocks in 39 min. All he needs to do is do that EVERY game and we'll be fine!

Taj averaged 12 pts 7 rebs in 2017. All he needs to do is do that this season and we'll be fine!

That would be funny, if it weren't for the fact he decided that taking threes was no longer part of the menu when he joined us.

Lakers/Pels/Blazers

3.1 in 23mpg
4.1 in 26mpg
5.4 in 27mpg
4.1 in 29mpg
3.9 in 33mpg
(6.4 in 32mpg traded to Portland)




With us
2.1 in 30mpg
2.8 in 29mpg


But hey, lets trade for another wing to do what Josh had done before he got here

Right after Taj goes back to 12 & 7 like before he got here.

Come to think of it Evan Fournier shot 46.3% right before he came here. Let's just go back to that, eh?

I'm sure if Taj was 28 again, he'd average 12/7, are you implying that Hart has aged 10 years in the last 2 and that is the reason why his three point attempts has fallen off a cliff?





And rather than ask Hart to go back to attempting threes at a rate he used to, we should trade for another player to do the job?

[louisorr]

We win that game with jaramanz and jokubaitis.

[Clyde_Style]

disagree here. I am not saying Mitch is a bad player, don't get me wrong, but having a center who can pass the ball, make FTs while also provide similar rebounding and defense is a major upgrade. at some point you can't pay all players, so Mitch could go out in a bigger trade imo.

I think your perception is warped by the OG trade to some extent.

Our defense collapsed when Mitch went down. Our offense took off too. Both happened. Our defense only became elite when OG was brought in and RJ was gone. When both Mitch and OG return, our defense may reach another level not yet seen from this squad.

iHart is a more well-rounded, two-way player, but Mitch provides something else that has been hugely impactful for the team.

Mitch's contract will account for only 10% of the salary cap next season. For his impact, I think it's a more than fair contract, and one you wouldn't find in the marketplace today. Of course he's expandable for a star.

We started playing better opponents, and even before that our defense had been pretty much ass against good teams, we gave up 116 pts to a KD-Beal less Suns team and were rolled by the Wolves. Our offense against good teams was pitiful with Mitch as well, which is never really brought up for whatever reason.

Most importantly, 10% of the cap for a guy that regularly misses around 40% of the season? That's not money well spent.

AD misses lots of games too and he's paid multiples more than Mitch which probably makes his math even worse.

What we need is for Mitch to come back and play less minutes which is completely doable with Isaiah's level of play now. That will make him less subject to wear and tear due to the physical style of mosh pit ball Mitch plays.

[3toheadmelo]

idk that a 7 ppg player will be the main piece in any superstar trade. we could easily add more first to off set not having a young player in a trade for a star

Shams and woj keep mentioning Grimes as our main young piece in a superstar trade. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Most teams want him because he’s a 3 And D player with upside. That archetype is the most sought out archetype in the league currently. Why do you think the Knicks said he’s untouchable for Donovan Mitchell lol

I agree that he has value, but not anywhere close to where it was a year ago.

he's still our best young asset. a lot of teams still want him just because of his body of work he had last year. im not going to sell low on him and i don't think the front office wants to either thankfully.

[8516knicks]

That would be funny, if it weren't for the fact he decided that taking threes was no longer part of the menu when he joined us.

Lakers/Pels/Blazers

3.1 in 23mpg
4.1 in 26mpg
5.4 in 27mpg
4.1 in 29mpg
3.9 in 33mpg
(6.4 in 32mpg traded to Portland)




With us
2.1 in 30mpg
2.8 in 29mpg


But hey, lets trade for another wing to do what Josh had done before he got here

Right after Taj goes back to 12 & 7 like before he got here.

Come to think of it Evan Fournier shot 46.3% right before he came here. Let's just go back to that, eh?

I'm sure if Taj was 28 again, he'd average 12/7, are you implying that Hart has aged 10 years in the last 2 and that is the reason why his three point attempts has fallen off a cliff?





And rather than ask Hart to go back to attempting threes at a rate he used to, we should trade for another player to do the job?

Why trade, we have EVAN. (according to your logic).

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think your perception is warped by the OG trade to some extent.

Our defense collapsed when Mitch went down. Our offense took off too. Both happened. Our defense only became elite when OG was brought in and RJ was gone. When both Mitch and OG return, our defense may reach another level not yet seen from this squad.

iHart is a more well-rounded, two-way player, but Mitch provides something else that has been hugely impactful for the team.

Mitch's contract will account for only 10% of the salary cap next season. For his impact, I think it's a more than fair contract, and one you wouldn't find in the marketplace today. Of course he's expandable for a star.

We started playing better opponents, and even before that our defense had been pretty much ass against good teams, we gave up 116 pts to a KD-Beal less Suns team and were rolled by the Wolves. Our offense against good teams was pitiful with Mitch as well, which is never really brought up for whatever reason.

Most importantly, 10% of the cap for a guy that regularly misses around 40% of the season? That's not money well spent.

AD misses lots of games too and he's paid multiples more than Mitch which probably makes his math even worse.

What we need is for Mitch to come back and play less minutes which is completely doable with Isaiah's level of play now. That will make him less subject to wear and tear due to the physical style of mosh pit ball Mitch plays.

AD averages 25ppg, 13rpg, 4apg, 2bpg and 1spg, it's not really comparable to bring up Mitch's name with his. He also plays more MPG than Mitch, so even if he plays less games he's played more total minutes over the same time.


How much less should we play Mitch? His body can barely handle playing 27mpg, it's not like he's being asked to play 35mpg and is breaking down, he's getting hurt playing 27-29mpg, so how low should we go to ensure that he's healthy 20mpg?

[cgmw]

We lose 1 out of 10, and every Knick fan does a quick mental inventory confirming that we do still in fact own a pitchfork back there someplace.

The actual toughened up hard core Knicks fans with any patience sometimes feel like a minority in here after any loss. Zero gratitude for a nine game streak and it's jihadism the second we lose with a plethora of trades and accusatory pointed fingers looking to burn the house down.

All of these instant whiners would NEVER have signed Brunson, Donte and Hartenstein. They don't have the vision to build a team.

These are not the people you want next to you in the foxhole when the barbarians are coming over the hill.

No atheists in a foxhole. No believers in a losing game thread.

[8516knicks]

We started playing better opponents, and even before that our defense had been pretty much ass against good teams, we gave up 116 pts to a KD-Beal less Suns team and were rolled by the Wolves. Our offense against good teams was pitiful with Mitch as well, which is never really brought up for whatever reason.

Most importantly, 10% of the cap for a guy that regularly misses around 40% of the season? That's not money well spent.

AD misses lots of games too and he's paid multiples more than Mitch which probably makes his math even worse.

What we need is for Mitch to come back and play less minutes which is completely doable with Isaiah's level of play now. That will make him less subject to wear and tear due to the physical style of mosh pit ball Mitch plays.

AD averages 25ppg, 13rpg, 4apg, 2bpg and 1spg, it's not really comparable to bring up Mitch's name with his. He also plays more MPG than Mitch, so even if he plays less games he's played more total minutes over the same time.


How much less should we play Mitch? His body can barely handle playing 27mpg, it's not like he's being asked to play 35mpg and is breaking down, he's getting hurt playing 27-29mpg, so how low should we go to ensure that he's healthy 20mpg?

After we've now seen prime IHART it would seem the min split would flip to 28 Ihart and 20 Mitch. Not sure Mitch is worth it at that price/injury point compared to alternatives?