Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[KnixinSix]

The Dadiet thing makes some sense, the more I put the pieces together. Still seems unlikely but as far as conspiracy theories that this board comes up with this one actually makes some sense to me

-Utah obviously wants to tank to keep their pick and get Cooper Flagg and keep their books clear. It's public knowledge. They're going to have big money committed to two other big men (Collins and Markkanen ((assuming he doesn't get traded))) Kessler will be due for an extension next summer. Maybe they're trying to get ahead of that? They made a similar move with Agbaji at the deadline this year...

-The Knicks had an excess of picks this year and obviously couldn't get away with not picking at least a few prospects. It's possible they looked at Dadiet as someone a small market rebuilding team may have interest in because he's 100% not NBA ready at the moment..

-I thought it was also very interesting that many reporters thought he was a "draft and stash" on draft night. Then surprisingly the Knicks buy him out of his contract overseas but negotiate the smallest contract based on his draft slot... Both things that would seemingly benefit a small market team who may want to pinch pennies like, idk, say the Utah Jazz...

-The Knicks to my knowledge still have not signed Kevin McCullar officially..He could be a "sweetener' with no salary attached if they are still holding his draft rights.

Feels like something is definitely cooking. Beginning of August feels like the time we hear something

[Wildcat]

98% of all conspiracy theories don't ever come to fruition.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks trade away the youth yet?

[StlHawksFan]

Are the Knicks hardcapped at the 2nd apron now? Sportrac says that, but I thought that the Knicks were at 1st apron.

The knicks are hard capped at the 2nd apron. They didn't take more money on in the Mikal trade (with the shake milton S&T ect). So they avoided the 1st apron being hard capped.

Hard cap is at like 188.9 MM and we are currently at 175.3

We are about 13 MM under the 2nd apron. This likely means precious signs with bird rights for about 8 MM per. Then we have the TPMLE we can use about 4.8 MM and we can sign another another non minimum player so that when trade deadline comes we can aggregate both those contracts to get back a player in the 11-15 MM range.

So Precious and one of the remaining free agents as a depth piece and then trade for a legit C by the deadline.

Let’s see what Randle does on 8/3…

It's not that easy. Since we are over the first apron we need all trades to be equal money. We can sign Precious for up to $13.6M for a S&T but that only helps us if we are moving him for a guy making that much. If we do plan on using the $5.18M TPMLE then we can give Precious up to $8.45M.

But it's the uncertainty of that final $ that is slowing Leon down.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Knicks trade away the youth yet?

[Iron Mantis]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

[Clyde_Style]

98% of all conspiracy theories don't ever come to fruition.

The other 2% are run by the Jews

[KnicksGadfly]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

The last 8 champs had power forwards who were great defenders

[louisorr]

Kathy Towns a Knick yet?

[Iron Mantis]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

The last 8 champs had power forwards who were great defenders

This, too, is the way

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Mitch and Deuce than for Jerami Grant

No. The Knicks can't take back more in salary than they send out.


(The Heat are in the same situation, which is why Handle and Mitch straight up for Bam doesn't work.)

I didnt know that Bam makes 53 per

He doesn't. Randle and Mitch make more than Bam, as you point out. Since the Heat are also, like the Knicks, over the first apron and capped at the second they can't take back more than Bam's salary.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

The knicks are hard capped at the 2nd apron. They didn't take more money on in the Mikal trade (with the shake milton S&T ect). So they avoided the 1st apron being hard capped.

Hard cap is at like 188.9 MM and we are currently at 175.3

We are about 13 MM under the 2nd apron. This likely means precious signs with bird rights for about 8 MM per. Then we have the TPMLE we can use about 4.8 MM and we can sign another another non minimum player so that when trade deadline comes we can aggregate both those contracts to get back a player in the 11-15 MM range.

So Precious and one of the remaining free agents as a depth piece and then trade for a legit C by the deadline.

Let’s see what Randle does on 8/3…

It's not that easy. Since we are over the first apron we need all trades to be equal money. We can sign Precious for up to $13.6M for a S&T but that only helps us if we are moving him for a guy making that much. If we do plan on using the $5.18M TPMLE then we can give Precious up to $8.45M.

But it's the uncertainty of that final $ that is slowing Leon down.

It's only equal money if there is one other team involved and they are also over the first apron and capped at the second apron.

There are - and will be through the deadline - plenty of teams who can take back more salary than they send out in a trade. Those trades won't be for equal money.

[F N 11]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

Facts

[DaGawd]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

Facts

kelly olynyk otw

[StlHawksFan]

It's only equal money if there is one other team involved and they are also over the first apron and capped at the second apron.

There are - and will be through the deadline - plenty of teams who can take back more salary than they send out in a trade. Those trades won't be for equal money.

Any team that takes more money automatically is capped at the first apron. While you're right that there are some teams that will have the space to do it, how many of them will have a C on the block that is making less than $8M? Just Brooklyn and Charlotte by my count.

3-team trades are also less likely as fewer teams wind up with space at the deadline. Right now it's just Utah and Detroit that have cap space. At most that will be $14M each given the minimum salary requirements.

[Wildcat]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

The last 8 champs had power forwards who were great defenders

Now, I ain't a Gordon hater, but since when was Gordon considered a "great defender"? Decent and versatile, yeah. But he's also not asked to do much else out there. Green in the same boat but to a greater extend.

The better measure should be the number of All-Stars and/or All-NBA's on the team. Most had at least 2. And the teams that didn't have 2 had generational super stars. Golden State didn't win those championships with KD because of defense. Curry and KD were absolutely destroying people on the offense.

[Chislic]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

The last 8 champs had power forwards who were great defenders

How about a PF/C who's a good defender and can hit an open three?

Jaren Jackson Jr.

[JayTWill]

3 of the last 4 NBA champs had a starting center who can hit the 3pt shot.

This is the way.

The last 8 champs had power forwards who were great defenders

Now, I ain't a Gordon hater, but since when was Gordon considered a "great defender"? Decent and versatile, yeah. But he's also not asked to do much else out there. Green in the same boat but to a greater extend.

The better measure should be the number of All-Stars and/or All-NBA's on the team. Most had at least 2. And the teams that didn't have 2 had generational super stars. Golden State didn't win those championships with KD because of defense. Curry and KD were absolutely destroying people on the offense.

Golden State was top 2 in defense for 3 of the 4 championships in the Curry era. Obviously adding Durant gave them a greater advantage but they did win 2 times without him with the top defense in the league.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It's only equal money if there is one other team involved and they are also over the first apron and capped at the second apron.

There are - and will be through the deadline - plenty of teams who can take back more salary than they send out in a trade. Those trades won't be for equal money.

Any team that takes more money automatically is capped at the first apron. While you're right that there are some teams that will have the space to do it, how many of them will have a C on the block that is making less than $8M? Just Brooklyn and Charlotte by my count.

3-team trades are also less likely as fewer teams wind up with space at the deadline. Right now it's just Utah and Detroit that have cap space. At most that will be $14M each given the minimum salary requirements.

Agree with all of this. But, for example, I think - without checking Spotrac - that the trail blazers would qualify.

Bur let me sleep on it.

[Wildcat]

The last 8 champs had power forwards who were great defenders

Now, I ain't a Gordon hater, but since when was Gordon considered a "great defender"? Decent and versatile, yeah. But he's also not asked to do much else out there. Green in the same boat but to a greater extend.

The better measure should be the number of All-Stars and/or All-NBA's on the team. Most had at least 2. And the teams that didn't have 2 had generational super stars. Golden State didn't win those championships with KD because of defense. Curry and KD were absolutely destroying people on the offense.

Golden State was top 2 in defense for 3 of the 4 championships in the Curry era. Obviously adding Durant gave them a greater advantage but they did win 2 times without him with the top defense in the league.

But you're talking prime Green and Klay, who were NBA All Stars and All NBA players before the KD titles. Then you had Iguodala and Barnes team defense. Those championships weren't won because of 1 player's defense.