PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!!

[Clyde_Style]

It may impact the full package of what we would give up overall.But two years for a player that could be key as a final piece to a championship run is worth it

We're better off just keeping Mitch if the other option is to trade multiple picks for a backup. At the end of the day, he would be KAT's backup.

Kessler nor Poeltl make any sense for this team, trading for a starting center to be a backup when there's an all-star MVP caliber center already on the team, with 3 backups makes no sense.

We will agree to disagree then.

The only decision this FO has to make is whether or not they believe Mitch can stay healthy or not.

If he can, he's the # 1 offensive rebounder in the league and a menace in the paint on defense. You do not need to nor should you want to replace healthy Mitch.

If the FO believes Mitch can get healthy, you keep him. If not, you trade him.

[Chanel Bomber]

Credit to Brunson for adjusting his game with the arrival of Towns and the departure of Randle, which left a significant playmaking vacuum.

He started the season looking for his shot too much, and not looking for Towns enough. Then he seemed at times somewhat hesitant and not as sharp a scorer as last year, though it was never nearly as bad as some made it out to be. But it seems he's found the right balance with the new personnel around him in the last couple weeks.

1 additional assist per game and 3.6 (!) fewer FGAs a game compared to last season is a significant change and sacrifice for a player of his caliber.

It's a subtle but really strong display of leadership.

What a player he's become.

You didn’t think this post would make us forget about your thesis on franz being better than banchero only for him to lose by 30 did you

[Clyde_Style]

MPHarris vying for comeback poster of the year with a strong flurry of quality posts!

What did you put in his BoDs?

[Clyde_Style]

The Knicks aren’t the bad guys here, he could have played better in college and improved his draft position to be selected in the 1st round and maybe guaranteed money and playing time instead of being a 2nd round stash project. Now over time we have developed him into a solid player who eventually will get himself paid down the road just like we did with Quickley

If anything he could fire his agent

Ofc rob takes the side of the ruling class.

"if it wasn't for us you would be toiling in some Euroleague eating gyros hanging out with fourni3r"

All while lining their pockets with deuces high arching 3s and relentless d. They're robbing my boy!

Thibs made him. He should have paid us for the experience! When will the NBA start reverse-salary internships????

Now you want to charge the interns you capitalist pig

[Clyde_Style]

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Karl-Anthony Towns
Gives Knicks Hope

December 4, 2024

The biggest change with the New York Knicks this season compared to last has been the presence of Karl-Anthony Towns.

And according to HoopsHype contributor Mike Shearer, he is also the biggest reason for hope for the Knicks.

"Towns has been everything the Knicks could have reasonably expected," Shearer writes. "Yes, the defense has been tough, but that’s more about Thibodeau’s refusal to put KAT in advantageous positions (although, to my eyes, he has been at the level of the screen more often recently, where he’s better equipped to muck up passing angles). Opponents won’t shoot 300 percent at the rim against him forever, right? Offensively, though, he’s been lights out. Towns is setting career highs all over the place, including true shooting percentage, three-point percentage, and rebounds. He’s even dramatically reduced his most dumbfounding turnovers. The Knicks are a tiny fraction of a point away from being the league’s No. 1 offense, and lineups with KAT are scoring a downright silly 124 points per 100 possessions."

Towns, 29, is averaging 25.2 points and 13 rebounds per game for the Knicks so far this season.

It took a little while for Towns to get acclimated with the Knicks, and some may see he is still trying to figure things out as December rolls along. But Towns is only going to get more comfortable for the Knicks, and that will make things easier for New York as the season progresses.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/karl-anthony-towns-gives-new-york-knicks-hope

That's my guy!

We are 10th in team points allowed per game so still a formidable defense. Last year we were 2nd so it might seem more of a drop off than we’ve been accustomed to with Thibs teams. But it hasn’t been nearly as bad as people are trying to portray it.

The Timberwolves were 1st and Towns was on the team. People will say it was Gobert and others but they’ve went from 1st to 5th so a bit of a drop off from towns

Of course, they subtracted KAT who actually plays some defense and replaced him with a turnstile.

[Clyde_Style]

The Reddish move was probably our worse move...they probably tried to acquire a talented player for below market (they felt) and get him into our "system" and turn his talent into a winning player but it didn't click because he sucks. just wasn't a thibs guy. Ultimately that was good to know...because FO rarely has acquired a non thibs guy and tried to put him onto the team. All the guys we are now acquiring seem to fit how we want to play and buy-in. So sometimes mistakes help you learn and They pivoted to Hart who is one of our best moves.

Fixed.

Looking forward to reading your memoir "I Hate Cam Reddish So Damn Much"

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Clyde_Style]

For all the talk about KAT's salary, here are the 14 players basically making his AAV or higher in the league this year.

You take Steph and Jokic over him very clearly, and even though he might not be a better fit for this team, Giannis also goes ahead, too.

But after that? There's a valid argument/probable for Brown, but it's not definitive at this point. Towns is clearly ahead of Booker with what we've seen so far this season, and then...

There are people who will look you dead in the face and tell you the Sixers had the "best offseason". Don't ever listen to these people's opinion on ball ever

The Sixers fans I know were dead certain they had surpassed us by adding PG. It was laughable then and more so now.

[Clyde_Style]

For all the talk about KAT's salary, here are the 14 players basically making his AAV or higher in the league this year.

You take Steph and Jokic over him very clearly, and even though he might not be a better fit for this team, Giannis also goes ahead, too.

But after that? There's a valid argument/probable for Brown, but it's not definitive at this point. Towns is clearly ahead of Booker with what we've seen so far this season, and then...

9th in salary, 6th in PER in the NBA, 2nd in PER in the East.


All that complaining about his salary and he's now outplaying it

His current play makes him one of the three best players on that list.

[Clyde_Style]

WTH is happening in this thread?

Killing our immaculate vibes.

This was a great team win and Thibs stepped up!!!

WARNING: Fellatio ahead

[Clyde_Style]

Yeah, and to your point in another post, this team is only 20+ games in to the experiment without a real quality big. In a year from now it's going to be ridiculous.

The mikal trade is justifiable right now. It makes us contenders. We can always use hindsight or if another player becomes available have some buyers remorse. But 20 games in were watching the Knicks and believing they have a shot. To me that justifies the trade.

Now in 2031 if we dont win a chip and the nyets are drafting some 7'2" freak ill be mad as hell at this trade. But for now I'm going to try to enjoy the best stretch of Knicks hoops in the past decade.

Yup and remember the Mikal trade wasn't just about on court production. We need a player that could basically fit into the Bogs expiring...that had control and would be will to buy into our team and system.

It might not have been the flashiest move...but when making certain moves you got to know the makeup of a player. How will he fit...some guys just aren't comfortable being a 3rd/4th banana on a team some games. Sacrificing for the greater god and Mikal certainly fits seamlessly with this group. So this idea we should have just held out hope another talented wing would come on the market in a year just wouldn't make sense to me. Time to strike was now.

You can clearly see improvement from game 1 to game 20...imagine game 40 now...what about game 80...what about playoffs and next year. And like you said Precious and Mitch are coming back as well. And we have Aller managing the CBA perfectly to make this team sustainable.

Assuming we can stay healthy this team has so much potential.

Plus we didn't have to give up any rotational players for Mikal. Every team would probably want at least Deuce or maybe Hart for a star like wing

With our record, all of those picks will be closer to early 2nd rounders than highly valuable first round picks. All of that comes with the possible baggage of guaranteed salaries that Aller may have decides doesn't fit into the next few years. The time was now for sure. Mikal was their championship starting unit roster completion move.

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[Clyde_Style]

in terms of pure talent, I put this team up there in the top 5 most talented Knick teams in the past 30 years

1)92-93
2)96-97
3) 24-25
4) 99
5) 99-00

Brunson is the 2nd best PG in Knicks history after Clyde.
KAT has a more diverse set of offensive skills than Patrick, but Patrick was a defensive great so it is close enough.

So that leaves you to compare the remaining guys like Starks, H20, LJ, Oak or Mase with guys like OG, Mikal, Deuce, Hart and Mitch.

Our guys compare well there.

The huge difference is Brunson is superior to Ward, Childs, Rivers or Anthony at PG.

A spread floor offense with shooters that runs through Brunson is a better construction than one that ran through Patrick.

Provided we win a chip, history will likely see this is as the best Knicks roster since the early 70s.

[stuporman]

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[TheGreenArrow]

Mitch signed his deal in summer of 2022, the Knicks have played 183 regular season games since then, he has played in 90 of them.


Safe to say his deal has been a complete bust, and the "wait till Mitch gets back" phrase must have been said here at least thousands of times.

About 50% give or take. So when he comes back at about game 40 , he play the next 40 or so. That might just work out well for us.

Or of course you trade Dadiet, Kolek and 2FRPs for Kessler

We can't afford Kessler.

I would expect Kessler’s camp to come to the negotiating table with eyes on a contract similar to Nic Claxton who signed a four-year, $97 million deal in Brooklyn this summer after averaging 12.3 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks per game over the last two seasons.

Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

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[Spree2Houston]

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[Jeff Van Gully]

The 8 man rotation is really nuts. I’m with all you in that but it’s pretty obvious to me that Thibs has really adapted in the past 2 years. He’s absolutely willing to try stuff as long as it works or thinks it will. So as long as the guys buy in I’m totally on board too.

mazulla runs 7 and no one says a word about it.

On the season the Celtics, down a starter in KP, have 9 guys who average at least 15 minutes per game, including a bench guy (Pritchard) who averages more minutes than a starter (Horford).

Even just their last game, they had 10 guys who logged at least 10 minutes.

you're looking at box scores for blowouts. competitive games he does the 7-7.5 people try to hang on thibs.

[stuporman]

If this is the sucky version of MB as a defender then imagine once he finds his defensive role and turns it up a notch in it

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[Jalen Bluntson]

mazulla runs 7 and no one says a word about it.

On the season the Celtics, down a starter in KP, have 9 guys who average at least 15 minutes per game, including a bench guy (Pritchard) who averages more minutes than a starter (Horford).

Even just their last game, they had 10 guys who logged at least 10 minutes.

you're looking at box scores for blowouts. competitive games he does the 7-7.5 people try to hang on thibs.

No he doesn't.

[SelbyCobra]

mazulla runs 7 and no one says a word about it.

On the season the Celtics, down a starter in KP, have 9 guys who average at least 15 minutes per game, including a bench guy (Pritchard) who averages more minutes than a starter (Horford).

Even just their last game, they had 10 guys who logged at least 10 minutes.

you're looking at box scores for blowouts. competitive games he does the 7-7.5 people try to hang on thibs.

You just kind of proved the point. In competitive games the Celtics play their top 7 more, and on other games (the majority for them) they have a deeper rotation. Thibs does not do this in anything close to the same way. The season averages I gave show this - it's not about individual boxes.