Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[Richard4444]

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.

Connecting dots here......

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-pursue-young-raptors-forward-in-a-deadline-trade/

Mitch (14.3) + Kolek (2.1)+ 2030 1st swap for Boucher (10.8)+ Ogbaji (4.3)

Ogbaji is well-liked in Toronto. He plays almost 30 minutes a game. He is not a throw-in on a trade.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2435209&start=80

[spree2kawhi]

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.

Connecting dots here......

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-pursue-young-raptors-forward-in-a-deadline-trade/

Mitch (14.3) + Kolek (2.1)+ 2030 1st swap for Boucher (10.8)+ Ogbaji (4.3)

Ogbaji is well-liked in Toronto. He plays almost 30 minutes a game. He is not a throw-in on a trade.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2435209&start=80

I’ve always liked Boucher, but let’s be real, he’s not even big for a 4 and he isn’t the impact player Kessler, Stewart or Turner would be. Maybe that is precisely why we could get him, as there is little indication or feasibility as to why the others should really be dealt to us. I like that Boucher can block shots and drain threes, so he’d be nice off the bench. I would love to get a better and bigger player though (and honestly Mitch is/was both). Ogbaji is good…

[navyblue]

No. Once it's moved to the end there is no rule to unmove it.

So NY really needs to avoid the 2nd apron next year so they can max out in 27 and 28. Then duck under 29,30, 31. Unless, of course, if your a true contender you sacrifice the pick.

Are any other teams in the second apron now, or closer to it than NYK? Boston maybe? They seem like a team that should be up against it soon.

PHX, min, boston, mil are in the second apron right now

[thebuzzardman]

If Mitch comes back, he solves the front court depth problem, or at least the quality depth problem, until that time, if ever, Hukporti is decent.

Like Channel pointed out, like everyone sees, they need that quality wing to cut into the Bridges/OG/Hart minutes, someone who is 6'7" to 6'9" instead of 6'4" or less, like the rest of the back court reserves

The obvious solution is Cam Payne for Miami for Burks and SRP

The other bit could be TJ Warren who also solves the problem.

Our FO seems high on Shamet so PG depth would look like

Brunson/Kolek/Shamet/Deuce/Burks.
Just in terms of pg ability. With some of those, the effective pg would be Hart or Bridges

Burks is washed. Payne is a better defender even giving up height. I also dislike Burks thinking he's better than he is and kind of dominating the ball.

[nykballa2k4]

If Mitch comes back, he solves the front court depth problem, or at least the quality depth problem, until that time, if ever, Hukporti is decent.

Like Channel pointed out, like everyone sees, they need that quality wing to cut into the Bridges/OG/Hart minutes, someone who is 6'7" to 6'9" instead of 6'4" or less, like the rest of the back court reserves

The obvious solution is Cam Payne for Miami for Burks and SRP

The other bit could be TJ Warren who also solves the problem.

Our FO seems high on Shamet so PG depth would look like

Brunson/Kolek/Shamet/Deuce/Burks.
Just in terms of pg ability. With some of those, the effective pg would be Hart or Bridges

Burks is washed. Payne is a better defender even giving up height. I also dislike Burks thinking he's better than he is and kind of dominating the ball.

Hence why we get compensation. I think that at that salary level we are not getting anyone spectacular. Burks is able to be a low-level 3-D type that as a depth piece (situational, injury) can be helpful.

Payne is a good spark plug, but Kolek is good and Shamet seems to be a guy we have been corralling all year (signed him, released him, paid for him to re-hab on our gleague, and now on the big club)

Koleks passing is reminiscent of Nash(mavs), JWill(kings). Only so many seats on this boat.

[mpharris36]

I'm intrigued by Boucher for sure.

[R-DAWG]

No. Once it's moved to the end there is no rule to unmove it.

So NY really needs to avoid the 2nd apron next year so they can max out in 27 and 28. Then duck under 29,30, 31. Unless, of course, if your a true contender you sacrifice the pick.

Are any other teams in the second apron now, or closer to it than NYK? Boston maybe? They seem like a team that should be up against it soon.

Boston, Pheonix, Minnesota, Milwaukee

[KnixinSix]

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.

Connecting dots here......

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-pursue-young-raptors-forward-in-a-deadline-trade/

Mitch (14.3) + Kolek (2.1)+ 2030 1st swap for Boucher (10.8)+ Ogbaji (4.3)

Ogbaji is well-liked in Toronto. He plays almost 30 minutes a game. He is not a throw-in on a trade.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2435209&start=80

I’ve always liked Boucher, but let’s be real, he’s not even big for a 4 and he isn’t the impact player Kessler, Stewart or Turner would be. Maybe that is precisely why we could get him, as there is little indication or feasibility as to why the others should really be dealt to us. I like that Boucher can block shots and drain threes, so he’d be nice off the bench. I would love to get a better and bigger player though (and honestly Mitch is/was both). Ogbaji is good…

Spree...

We obviously don't have the ammo we once did to say we can confidently outbid any other team in a trade.

That said, we do (probably at least) have enough ammo to make a move for a nice role player or two. Especially if the other team is willing to move on from that player.

Kessler unless Danny is just playing his inflate a players value game may not be in our range.

Turner while I love the idea he would be a very expensive rental (his contract ends at the end of year and there is no way to resign him under new CBA without breaking up the core)

Poetl is a 19M dollar salary match . It is doable maybe but would cost a lot. Mitch and one of Achiuwa or McBride for salary matching purposes and probably Kolek and picks .

So based on reports: Boucher or maybe both Boucher and Ochai seem to make the most sense to me(at the moment)

But the other one that maybe makes the most sense of all is Beef Stew. Guy is locked in for next 3 years and has fallen out of favor a bit in Detroit. He is playing a career low 20 minutes a game. He is an enforcer and near elite rim protector. Kind of an Anthony Mason who is better at rim protection.

Just how much of a headcase is he? If not too much a headcase you get this guy locked in for 3 years and have a young rim protector added to our lineup (which is our biggest need). Ideally you want a 7 footer or more a pure 5 to backup KAT but short of that this might be the best option (Though Boucher and Ochai is not a terrible option either)

[KnixinSix]

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/sports/nba-trade-deadline-knicks-interested-in-raptors-chris-boucher/

Boucher is the guy that really seems to be picking up steam.

One of Mitch or Achiuwa would most definitely have to be part of the deal.

Connecting dots here......

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-pursue-young-raptors-forward-in-a-deadline-trade/

Mitch (14.3) + Kolek (2.1)+ 2030 1st swap for Boucher (10.8)+ Ogbaji (4.3)

Ogbaji is well-liked in Toronto. He plays almost 30 minutes a game. He is not a throw-in on a trade.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2435209&start=80

I’ve always liked Boucher, but let’s be real, he’s not even big for a 4 and he isn’t the impact player Kessler, Stewart or Turner would be. Maybe that is precisely why we could get him, as there is little indication or feasibility as to why the others should really be dealt to us. I like that Boucher can block shots and drain threes, so he’d be nice off the bench. I would love to get a better and bigger player though (and honestly Mitch is/was both). Ogbaji is good…

Boucher has positional versatility and would allow us to be a switching defense even moreso than we are doing right now. A few times vs Nuggs Bridges ended up on Jokic. Boucher would be a better switchable frontcourt guy.

The ideal is another elite rim protecting 6'11/7 footer behind KAT but short of that a Boucher or Stewart might not be a bad consolation prize.

[KnixinSix]

The obvious solution is Cam Payne for Miami for Burks and SRP

The other bit could be TJ Warren who also solves the problem.

Our FO seems high on Shamet so PG depth would look like

Brunson/Kolek/Shamet/Deuce/Burks.
Just in terms of pg ability. With some of those, the effective pg would be Hart or Bridges

Burks is washed. Payne is a better defender even giving up height. I also dislike Burks thinking he's better than he is and kind of dominating the ball.

Hence why we get compensation. I think that at that salary level we are not getting anyone spectacular. Burks is able to be a low-level 3-D type that as a depth piece (situational, injury) can be helpful.

Payne is a good spark plug, but Kolek is good and Shamet seems to be a guy we have been corralling all year (signed him, released him, paid for him to re-hab on our gleague, and now on the big club)

Koleks passing is reminiscent of Nash(mavs), JWill(kings). Only so many seats on this boat.

Kolek has no doubt elevated his value between G-league and his flashes of elite vision and passing on rhe NBA level.

Is a package of some combination Kolek, Dadiet, 2030 1st round swap and Wash 1st enough for Kessler? It might be, but it would all come down to how much Ainge likes those 2 players.

[nykballa2k4]

Burks is washed. Payne is a better defender even giving up height. I also dislike Burks thinking he's better than he is and kind of dominating the ball.

Hence why we get compensation. I think that at that salary level we are not getting anyone spectacular. Burks is able to be a low-level 3-D type that as a depth piece (situational, injury) can be helpful.

Payne is a good spark plug, but Kolek is good and Shamet seems to be a guy we have been corralling all year (signed him, released him, paid for him to re-hab on our gleague, and now on the big club)

Koleks passing is reminiscent of Nash(mavs), JWill(kings). Only so many seats on this boat.

Kolek has no doubt elevated his value between G-league and his flashes of elite vision and passing on rhe NBA level.

Is a package of some combination Kolek, Dadiet, 2030 1st round swap and Wash 1st enough for Kessler? It might be, but it would all come down to how much Ainge likes those 2 players.

Never ever would I do such a trade. Kolek is a keeper unless I am getting a star back. WK is not a star.
You want to swap Kolek Sims for WK? Okay, I get we have a need. Jazz would be getting a plug and play pg on a controllable contract for the next few years. We get the privilege of trying to convince a no-offense big man that he isn't worth 30M/per year.

[nykballa2k4]

Ogbaji is well-liked in Toronto. He plays almost 30 minutes a game. He is not a throw-in on a trade.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2435209&start=80

I’ve always liked Boucher, but let’s be real, he’s not even big for a 4 and he isn’t the impact player Kessler, Stewart or Turner would be. Maybe that is precisely why we could get him, as there is little indication or feasibility as to why the others should really be dealt to us. I like that Boucher can block shots and drain threes, so he’d be nice off the bench. I would love to get a better and bigger player though (and honestly Mitch is/was both). Ogbaji is good…

Spree...

We obviously don't have the ammo we once did to say we can confidently outbid any other team in a trade.

That said, we do (probably at least) have enough ammo to make a move for a nice role player or two. Especially if the other team is willing to move on from that player.

Kessler unless Danny is just playing his inflate a players value game may not be in our range.

Turner while I love the idea he would be a very expensive rental (his contract ends at the end of year and there is no way to resign him under new CBA without breaking up the core)

Poetl is a 19M dollar salary match . It is doable maybe but would cost a lot. Mitch and one of Achiuwa or McBride for salary matching purposes and probably Kolek and picks .

So based on reports: Boucher or maybe both Boucher and Ochai seem to make the most sense to me(at the moment)

But the other one that maybe makes the most sense of all is Beef Stew. Guy is locked in for next 3 years and has fallen out of favor a bit in Detroit. He is playing a career low 20 minutes a game. He is an enforcer and near elite rim protector. Kind of an Anthony Mason who is better at rim protection.

Just how much of a headcase is he? If not too much a headcase you get this guy locked in for 3 years and have a young rim protector added to our lineup (which is our biggest need). Ideally you want a 7 footer or more a pure 5 to backup KAT but short of that this might be the best option (Though Boucher and Ochai is not a terrible option either)

So the article is probably alluding to Mogbo (young, forward, 1.8M contract that we can match)
Sims+FRP for Mogbo works.
Why they do that? lord knows.
Most rumors are just thoughts in the wind anyhow.

We can get to Poetl by sending Mitch, Payne (min) Sims, Dadiet. Add the FRP or whatever crumbs of draft compensation we have left i guess...

I would think most developing teams would be interested in getting Dadiet because though he is raw, he clearly has all the tools to be successful.

[KnixinSix]

Hence why we get compensation. I think that at that salary level we are not getting anyone spectacular. Burks is able to be a low-level 3-D type that as a depth piece (situational, injury) can be helpful.

Payne is a good spark plug, but Kolek is good and Shamet seems to be a guy we have been corralling all year (signed him, released him, paid for him to re-hab on our gleague, and now on the big club)

Koleks passing is reminiscent of Nash(mavs), JWill(kings). Only so many seats on this boat.

Kolek has no doubt elevated his value between G-league and his flashes of elite vision and passing on rhe NBA level.

Is a package of some combination Kolek, Dadiet, 2030 1st round swap and Wash 1st enough for Kessler? It might be, but it would all come down to how much Ainge likes those 2 players.

Never ever would I do such a trade. Kolek is a keeper unless I am getting a star back. WK is not a star.
You want to swap Kolek Sims for WK? Okay, I get we have a need. Jazz would be getting a plug and play pg on a controllable contract for the next few years. We get the privilege of trying to convince a no-offense big man that he isn't worth 30M/per year.

The good thing about Kessler is he is extremely cost controlled for a couple more years and big men of his skillset tend to do really well in THibs system.

We also get to keep Mitch in this scenario too. Which would give us the depth of the elite rim protectors needed to rotate in at any time depending on matchups.

So while I love Kolek he is partially blocked by Brunson who is the alpha of this team. Secondly the defense of Kolek may never be great.

[nykballa2k4]

Kolek has no doubt elevated his value between G-league and his flashes of elite vision and passing on rhe NBA level.

Is a package of some combination Kolek, Dadiet, 2030 1st round swap and Wash 1st enough for Kessler? It might be, but it would all come down to how much Ainge likes those 2 players.

Never ever would I do such a trade. Kolek is a keeper unless I am getting a star back. WK is not a star.
You want to swap Kolek Sims for WK? Okay, I get we have a need. Jazz would be getting a plug and play pg on a controllable contract for the next few years. We get the privilege of trying to convince a no-offense big man that he isn't worth 30M/per year.

The good thing about Kessler is he is extremely cost controlled for a couple more years and big men of his skillset tend to do really well in THibs system.

We also get to keep Mitch in this scenario too. Which would give us the depth of the elite rim protectors needed to rotate in at any time depending on matchups.

So while I love Kolek he is partially blocked by Brunson who is the alpha of this team. Secondly the defense of Kolek may never be great.

He's RFA in the summer after next (26/27). Not a lot of time.
I agree with the other points, but I am not wasting all of my assets for him as the piece.

[BowlRips]

Boucher and Ochai for Mitch is atleast interesting.. I wouldn't do it for Boucher straight up.
I could actually see Toronto valuing Mitch? RJ and Mitch had an extremely close relationship, Toronto could rehab his value and trade him in the offseason, where if he could prove himself healthy, might actually hold some value on a 1 year $12m contract.
Which is why trading Mitch is so hard.. trading him at his low, and his potential on court far exceeds anything your getting back for him

[nykballa2k4]

Boucher and Ochai for Mitch is atleast interesting.. I wouldn't do it for Boucher straight up.
I could actually see Toronto valuing Mitch? RJ and Mitch had an extremely close relationship, Toronto could rehab his value and trade him in the offseason, where if he could prove himself healthy, might actually hold some value on a 1 year $12m contract.
Which is why trading Mitch is so hard.. trading him at his low, and his potential on court far exceeds anything your getting back for him

tank team this year is wise to trade for mitch. Raps and Pels qualify.

[KnixinSix]

Never ever would I do such a trade. Kolek is a keeper unless I am getting a star back. WK is not a star.
You want to swap Kolek Sims for WK? Okay, I get we have a need. Jazz would be getting a plug and play pg on a controllable contract for the next few years. We get the privilege of trying to convince a no-offense big man that he isn't worth 30M/per year.

The good thing about Kessler is he is extremely cost controlled for a couple more years and big men of his skillset tend to do really well in THibs system.

We also get to keep Mitch in this scenario too. Which would give us the depth of the elite rim protectors needed to rotate in at any time depending on matchups.

So while I love Kolek he is partially blocked by Brunson who is the alpha of this team. Secondly the defense of Kolek may never be great.

He's RFA in the summer after next (26/27). Not a lot of time.
I agree with the other points, but I am not wasting all of my assets for him as the piece.

It is more time than some of the other options that expire at end of this year. And to me Kolek who I like a lot is not nearly the need an elite rim protector would be to complement KAT at the 5 would be.

Bottomline does Kessler make us a clearly better team in Thibs system than Kolek would who is partially blocked by Brunson? Absolutely.

[KnixinSix]

Boucher and Ochai for Mitch is atleast interesting.. I wouldn't do it for Boucher straight up.
I could actually see Toronto valuing Mitch? RJ and Mitch had an extremely close relationship, Toronto could rehab his value and trade him in the offseason, where if he could prove himself healthy, might actually hold some value on a 1 year $12m contract.
Which is why trading Mitch is so hard.. trading him at his low, and his potential on court far exceeds anything your getting back for him

Those are some valid points. Still Boucher would offer us more health stability and positional versatility while providing a level of rim defense inside.

[R-DAWG]

The good thing about Kessler is he is extremely cost controlled for a couple more years and big men of his skillset tend to do really well in THibs system.

We also get to keep Mitch in this scenario too. Which would give us the depth of the elite rim protectors needed to rotate in at any time depending on matchups.

So while I love Kolek he is partially blocked by Brunson who is the alpha of this team. Secondly the defense of Kolek may never be great.

He's RFA in the summer after next (26/27). Not a lot of time.
I agree with the other points, but I am not wasting all of my assets for him as the piece.

It is more time than some of the other options that expire at end of this year. And to me Kolek who I like a lot is not nearly the need an elite rim protector would be to complement KAT at the 5 would be.

Bottomline does Kessler make us a clealry better team in Thibs system than Kolek would who is partially blocked by Brunson? Absolutely.

If you could get Kessler for Kolek and the WAS pick with Sims being the cap filler you do it without thinking about it. You probably also do it if Pacome is included instead of Sims.

With Kessler, you give him Isiah Hartenstein's contract after 2 years, as you beef up for your 2 years in the apron. Given how all in this team is, you have to go for it.

Of course, Utah is looking for high upside first rd picks which is why this is a moot point.

[KnixinSix]

He's RFA in the summer after next (26/27). Not a lot of time.
I agree with the other points, but I am not wasting all of my assets for him as the piece.

It is more time than some of the other options that expire at end of this year. And to me Kolek who I like a lot is not nearly the need an elite rim protector would be to complement KAT at the 5 would be.

Bottomline does Kessler make us a clealry better team in Thibs system than Kolek would who is partially blocked by Brunson? Absolutely.

If you could get Kessler for Kolek and the WAS pick with Sims being the cap filler you do it without thinking about it. You probably also do it if Pacome is included instead of Sims.

With Kessler, you give him Isiah Hartenstein's contract after 2 years, as you beef up for your 2 years in the apron. Given how all in this team is, you have to go for it.

Of course, Utah is looking for high upside first rd picks which is why this is a moot point.

Dawg it no doubt wouldcome down to what Ainge a former guard sees in Kolek. Does he love his court vision and passing ability to think he will be a legit starter and offense creator in this league? If so that is def worth more than a mid first round pick.