PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging...

[JayTWill]

The amount of hoops some people jump through to protect Thibs and not give another coach credit is wild. What has Thibs done to have this type of blind loyalty? Did things get so dark here that Thibs will be forever hailed as the savior or something?

It’s actually quite easy when you make the laziest arguments that are easily refuted by simple truth and reality. It’s you who is jumping through hoops and still end up wrong which is why it’s so funny

Truth and reality?
Lazy arguments?

You...

Knicks succeed..... Thibs is great
Knicks fail.... Not Thibs fault

Other team succeeds.... Had nothing to do with the coach
Other team fails..... See! That coach isn't better than Thibs!

[DOT]

Really this is all just determinism vs free will.

[HerSports85]

What was conveniently left out of the hoops collective discussion is that we used drop coverage 48% of the time against BOS, which is the most they've faced that defense by far, and they're scoring 1.3 PPP which is equal to a 133 ORTG.

Coach's decision. But no don't you dare blame him!

running 50% drop vs the team that attempts by far the most 3 pt shots in the league at a top of the league conversion rate is down right insanity!!!

with a big that isn't even good in drop coverage!

Has Thibs remotely changed his defensive approach since 2007?

[HEZI]

The amount of hoops some people jump through to protect Thibs and not give another coach credit is wild. What has Thibs done to have this type of blind loyalty? Did things get so dark here that Thibs will be forever hailed as the savior or something?

It’s actually quite easy when you make the laziest arguments that are easily refuted by simple truth and reality. It’s you who is jumping through hoops and still end up wrong which is why it’s so funny

Truth and reality?
Lazy arguments?

You...

Knicks succeed..... Thibs is great
Knicks fail.... Not Thibs fault

Other team succeeds.... Had nothing to do with the coach
Other team fails..... See! That coach isn't better than Thibs!

You are the one lashing out just because you set expectations so high that you don’t know how to cope with your disappointment. Everything is the coach’s fault because we aren’t an all world team. I get it, we went from a ford focus to a mustang but felt like we hopped in a buggati so now we think it’s the drivers fault he can’t keep up with the other Buggatis

[god shammgod]

Yup Mobley was 21 and Garland was 23. Now both are all-stars.

Garland made an all star team at 22. Also Mobley was 3rd in DPOY voting in 2023.

And they got better. Garland turned out to be the best player from his draft and will be a perennial All-Star going forward. Mobley will be the DPOY this season

no, it's all 100 percent kenny atkinson obviously, who couldn't get a head coaching job for the last 5 years but now is red auberach all of a sudden.

p.s. the cavs old terrible coach, who was holding them back, somehow got the pistons to take a much bigger leap in the standings than the cavs have. or was that the players in that case ? how convenient.

p.p.s. fire thibs. could care less. but no coach can fix this starting 5's defense.

[dakomish23]

Garland made an all star team at 22. Also Mobley was 3rd in DPOY voting in 2023.

Everyone covering CLE was wondering if they were going to trade Garland after he cratered & thought Mobley would never meet his potential.

This myth that "They just finally blossomed on their own " is insane. The coach changing their entire system had nothing to do with that?

To be fair, Garland and Mobley were both top 5 picks and either would’ve became all-stars on different teams. They’re not system players. If you want to say Atkinson accelerated that process then I’ll give you that. But they would’ve eventually turned into the players they are today with any other coach.

A new coach could elevate Bridges into an All-Star but I have my doubts about that.

So it's all just a coincidence that in their first year with Atkinson the team becomes unstoppable and these guys turn into all stars?

[Spree2Houston]

Garland made an all star team at 22. Also Mobley was 3rd in DPOY voting in 2023.

And they got better. Garland turned out to be the best player from his draft and will be a perennial All-Star going forward. Mobley will be the DPOY this season

no, it's all 100 percent kenny atkinson obviously, who couldn't get a head coaching job for the last 5 years but now is red auberach all of a sudden.

p.s. the cavs old terrible coach, who was holding them back, somehow got the pistons to take a much bigger leap in the standings than the cavs have. or was that the players in that case ? how convenient.

p.p.s. fire thibs. could care less. but no coach can fix this starting 5's defense.

I guess we can say Bickerstaff developed Cade into an all-star lol

[DOT]

Everyone covering CLE was wondering if they were going to trade Garland after he cratered & thought Mobley would never meet his potential.

This myth that "They just finally blossomed on their own " is insane. The coach changing their entire system had nothing to do with that?

To be fair, Garland and Mobley were both top 5 picks and either would’ve became all-stars on different teams. They’re not system players. If you want to say Atkinson accelerated that process then I’ll give you that. But they would’ve eventually turned into the players they are today with any other coach.

A new coach could elevate Bridges into an All-Star but I have my doubts about that.

So it's all just a coincidence that in their first year with Atkinson the team becomes unstoppable and these guys turn into all stars?

It's kinda weird to see the same people who are arguing Thibs is the GOAT coach because he can develop anyone simultaneously argue that players would be who they were regardless of coaching when it comes to other teams

It's like Schrodinger's coaching, at the same time coaching is the most important thing for development yet also completely unimportant.

[DOT]

I mean, yeah, Bickerstaff did a good job with the Cavs, and is doing a good job with the Pistons

But at the same time, Atkinson has taken the Cavs to another level

I'm sorry that's too complex of a thought for Thibs stans, but I don't think Bickerstaff is a bad coach, just that Atkinson is better. Same way Thibs isn't a bad coach, but he clearly has limits.

[TKKnicks1]

Start Mitch and deuce
Bench hart and Mikal
I’ve been saying this all year. Once Mitch comes back and is ready, start him. Then bench Mikal for deuce.
Watch how fast things change
Thibs has no balls to do this

He probably has the balls but not the coaching aptitude. He doesn't have any idea how to mix things up to get the best 5 out there.

[nedleeds]

The amount of hoops some people jump through to protect Thibs and not give another coach credit is wild. What has Thibs done to have this type of blind loyalty? Did things get so dark here that Thibs will be forever hailed as the savior or something?

He won coach of the year in an empty arena season where every team in the league had vastly worse COVID luck than us and the Raptors literally moved to Tampa.






... then he got humiliated in the playoffs.

[Spree2Houston]

Everyone covering CLE was wondering if they were going to trade Garland after he cratered & thought Mobley would never meet his potential.

This myth that "They just finally blossomed on their own " is insane. The coach changing their entire system had nothing to do with that?

To be fair, Garland and Mobley were both top 5 picks and either would’ve became all-stars on different teams. They’re not system players. If you want to say Atkinson accelerated that process then I’ll give you that. But they would’ve eventually turned into the players they are today with any other coach.

A new coach could elevate Bridges into an All-Star but I have my doubts about that.

So it's all just a coincidence that in their first year with Atkinson the team becomes unstoppable and these guys turn into all stars?

Cavs were always loaded. It was only a matter of time before the light switch went off. It’s like saying Kerr turned Klay and Draymond into all stars lol common now. Freaking Luke Walton won with that group. Don’t get me wrong I like Atkinson. But the Cavs were always loaded. It was only a matter of time before a guy like Mobley became a stud.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I mean, yeah, Bickerstaff did a good job with the Cavs, and is doing a good job with the Pistons

But at the same time, Atkinson has taken the Cavs to another level

I'm sorry that's too complex of a thought for Thibs stans, but I don't think Bickerstaff is a bad coach, just that Atkinson is better. Same way Thibs isn't a bad coach, but he clearly has limits.

The Detroit one is funny, the simple response to that is look at who JB was replacing. A former coach of the year that was out of touch and had the Pistons doing dumb ****.


Yet another one of their replies focuses on a team that changed coaches, it's comical.

[dakomish23]

To be fair, Garland and Mobley were both top 5 picks and either would’ve became all-stars on different teams. They’re not system players. If you want to say Atkinson accelerated that process then I’ll give you that. But they would’ve eventually turned into the players they are today with any other coach.

A new coach could elevate Bridges into an All-Star but I have my doubts about that.

So it's all just a coincidence that in their first year with Atkinson the team becomes unstoppable and these guys turn into all stars?

Cavs were always loaded. It was only a matter of time before the light switch went off. It’s like saying Kerr turned Klay and Draymond into all stars lol common now. Freaking Luke Walton won with that group. Don’t get me wrong I like Atkinson. But the Cavs were always loaded. It was only a matter of time before a guy like Mobley became a stud.

So Mobley didn't do it all this time. Atkinson completely changes the system. Mobley suddenly becomes a stud.

"has nothing do with coaching".

And are you seriously denying the impact Kerr had on GSW ? Draymond wasn't even starting for GSW before Kerr

I can't. This is some flat earther ****.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thank god we're not Laker fans, yall would have been saying we can't replace Darvin Ham.

[Spree2Houston]

I guess Thibs developed Brunson into an All-Star/All-NBA player lol

[dakomish23]

Thank god we're not Laker fans, yall would have been saying we can't replace Darvin Ham.

"Lakers immediately going on a 3Peat had absolutely nothing to do with Phil Jackson & Kurt Rambis would have taken them all the way"

[DOT]

I guess Thibs developed Brunson into an All-Star/All-NBA player lol

Well according to you it wouldn't've mattered who the coach was, Brunson would've been exactly as good no matter what. So you can't praise Thibs for any development that happened under him, because coaching is irrelevant.

[god shammgod]

if doug collins stayed coach jordan would have never won a championship.....sad

[DOT]

Thank god we're not Laker fans, yall would have been saying we can't replace Darvin Ham.

"Lakers immediately going on a 3Peat had absolutely nothing to do with Phil Jackson & Kurt Rambis would have taken them all the way"

"Bulls hiring Phil Jackson did nothing, Doug Collins would've won 6 titles as well"