Derrick Rose to NY

[Knicks_Fan2]

I still can't believe we acquired Derrick Rose, in a trade where we included Jose Calderon, acquired a pick, and didn't forfeit one.
I really can't believe it. Oh and we didn't add salary.
And ESPN still grades this D- for the NYK

On another side, the Magic sent Oladipo, Ilyasova and a 1st round pick, only to get Serge Ibaka

ESPN grade a D- because it's probably not a great idea to trade a starting center who is going to be on a bargain deal for the next three years for a guy that's going to be a free agent next year and can't stay on the court.

Let's run through the scenarios… Rose stinks up the joint and we let him walk next year, sure we get cap space but we gave up a solid starting center on a good deal for that? Not wise. If Rose comes in and plays his ass off, then he's due for a huge contract next summer. Are we really going to give Max money or close to Max money over the span of most likely three or four years to a guy who has one year under his belt of solid basketball after three years of pure disappointment?

I am a diehard Knicks fan so I'm obviously going to support rose for as long as he's wearing the jersey, but it's really not that shocking to see people lay in to Phil for making this trade.

ah the risk of trading away Rolo Olajuwon on a "bargain deal". He's a decent center on a decent deal...nothing more. You're right, we would have to pay Rose if he plays well which could become an albatross deal or, alternatively, he is a solid pg as he was by the end of last year with the ability to create for Porzingis and Melo. Moreover, we didn't JUST get rose, we shed 7 million of Calderon, allowing us to potentially get a better center than lopez, and got Justin Holiday (obviously gave up Jerian). D- is absurd.

[SaveUsKP6]

I still can't believe we acquired Derrick Rose, in a trade where we included Jose Calderon, acquired a pick, and didn't forfeit one.
I really can't believe it. Oh and we didn't add salary.
And ESPN still grades this D- for the NYK

On another side, the Magic sent Oladipo, Ilyasova and a 1st round pick, only to get Serge Ibaka

ESPN grade a D- because it's probably not a great idea to trade a starting center who is going to be on a bargain deal for the next three years for a guy that's going to be a free agent next year and can't stay on the court.

Let's run through the scenarios… Rose stinks up the joint and we let him walk next year, sure we get cap space but we gave up a solid starting center on a good deal for that? Not wise. If Rose comes in and plays his ass off, then he's due for a huge contract next summer. Are we really going to give Max money or close to Max money over the span of most likely three or four years to a guy who has one year under his belt of solid basketball after three years of pure disappointment?

I am a diehard Knicks fan so I'm obviously going to support rose for as long as he's wearing the jersey, but it's really not that shocking to see people lay in to Phil for making this trade.

ah the risk of trading away Rolo Olajuwon on a "bargain deal". He's a decent center on a decent deal...nothing more. You're right, we would have to pay Rose if he plays well which could become an albatross deal or, alternatively, he is a solid pg as he was by the end of last year with the ability to create for Porzingis and Melo. Moreover, we didn't JUST get rose, we shed 7 million of Calderon, allowing us to potentially get a better center than lopez, and got Justin Holiday (obviously gave up Jerian). D- is absurd.

Who are we upgrading to from Lopez? Surely not Noah. Dwight? Why would anyone want that? The only upgrade that makes sense is Horford and I'd consider that a long shot.

[StephNYKurry]

Somebody make some sense out of something for me.

The Bulls, with largely the same personnel as they had in the 2014-15 season, took 1700 3's. They supposedly hired the free wheeling, run it up and down guy in Fred Hoiberg. The 1700 3's is down from their 1800 attempts the year prior.

In the 2014-15 season, the Bulls were FIFTH in Free Throw rate...

In the 2015-16 season, the Bulls were TWENTY EIGHTH...

Derrick Rose played in 66 games this past season. In his first 4 seasons in the league, Derrick Rose averaged 5 FTA's/night.

Derrick Rose averaged 2.7 Free Throw attempts per game this past season. He averaged 6.9 FTA in the 2011 season when he won the MVP...

how sway?

Hoiberg is to Jimmy and Pau what Blatt was to LeBron. Scared to rock the boat and actually be in charge. Personally I think Hoiberg is out of his depth in the NBA and that'll show in the next year and a half, if he makes it that far.

Also Rose lost some of his vertical and with it some effectiveness at the rim.

Rose hasn't lost his vert and he's as quick as he ever was. He purposely doesn't jump like that anymore for precautionary reasons seemingly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZK2_-rIzJE

Screw the points. Look at the movement. Consistently motoring past Jordan Clarkson like he's standing still. The move at the 1 minute mark is explosion that I only see in one other guard in the league.

By all accounts, he's still taking it to the rack at the same rate he always has been. Soooo...where the FTA's go fam?


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[ag3]

If Rose stays healthy, he will eat and own his critics souls this season.

He is 3yrs off surgery, only 27yrs old and most importantly, on his contract year. Big year coming. Bulls fans who say not happening are jealous.

[StephNYKurry]

ESPN grade a D- because it's probably not a great idea to trade a starting center who is going to be on a bargain deal for the next three years for a guy that's going to be a free agent next year and can't stay on the court.

Let's run through the scenarios… Rose stinks up the joint and we let him walk next year, sure we get cap space but we gave up a solid starting center on a good deal for that? Not wise. If Rose comes in and plays his ass off, then he's due for a huge contract next summer. Are we really going to give Max money or close to Max money over the span of most likely three or four years to a guy who has one year under his belt of solid basketball after three years of pure disappointment?

I am a diehard Knicks fan so I'm obviously going to support rose for as long as he's wearing the jersey, but it's really not that shocking to see people lay in to Phil for making this trade.

ah the risk of trading away Rolo Olajuwon on a "bargain deal". He's a decent center on a decent deal...nothing more. You're right, we would have to pay Rose if he plays well which could become an albatross deal or, alternatively, he is a solid pg as he was by the end of last year with the ability to create for Porzingis and Melo. Moreover, we didn't JUST get rose, we shed 7 million of Calderon, allowing us to potentially get a better center than lopez, and got Justin Holiday (obviously gave up Jerian). D- is absurd.

Who are we upgrading to from Lopez? Surely not Noah. Dwight? Why would anyone want that? The only upgrade that makes sense is Horford and I'd consider that a long shot.

We don't need to upgrade Robin. We need a reasonable facsimile.


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[SaveUsKP6]

ah the risk of trading away Rolo Olajuwon on a "bargain deal". He's a decent center on a decent deal...nothing more. You're right, we would have to pay Rose if he plays well which could become an albatross deal or, alternatively, he is a solid pg as he was by the end of last year with the ability to create for Porzingis and Melo. Moreover, we didn't JUST get rose, we shed 7 million of Calderon, allowing us to potentially get a better center than lopez, and got Justin Holiday (obviously gave up Jerian). D- is absurd.

Who are we upgrading to from Lopez? Surely not Noah. Dwight? Why would anyone want that? The only upgrade that makes sense is Horford and I'd consider that a long shot.

We don't need to upgrade Robin. We need a reasonable facsimile.


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Ok so again I ask, who is that? Noah is a downgrade, Howard is a terrible idea and Horford is a long shot.

[sourimosta]

ESPN grade a D- because it's probably not a great idea to trade a starting center who is going to be on a bargain deal for the next three years for a guy that's going to be a free agent next year and can't stay on the court.

Let's run through the scenarios… Rose stinks up the joint and we let him walk next year, sure we get cap space but we gave up a solid starting center on a good deal for that? Not wise. If Rose comes in and plays his ass off, then he's due for a huge contract next summer. Are we really going to give Max money or close to Max money over the span of most likely three or four years to a guy who has one year under his belt of solid basketball after three years of pure disappointment?

I am a diehard Knicks fan so I'm obviously going to support rose for as long as he's wearing the jersey, but it's really not that shocking to see people lay in to Phil for making this trade.

ah the risk of trading away Rolo Olajuwon on a "bargain deal". He's a decent center on a decent deal...nothing more. You're right, we would have to pay Rose if he plays well which could become an albatross deal or, alternatively, he is a solid pg as he was by the end of last year with the ability to create for Porzingis and Melo. Moreover, we didn't JUST get rose, we shed 7 million of Calderon, allowing us to potentially get a better center than lopez, and got Justin Holiday (obviously gave up Jerian). D- is absurd.

Who are we upgrading to from Lopez? Surely not Noah. Dwight? Why would anyone want that? The only upgrade that makes sense is Horford and I'd consider that a long shot.

Maybe they feel KP is ready to take over the 5 now/next season so if they miss out on a 5 in FA, nbd? We'd rather have the cap flexibility imo.

[thebuzzardman]

That clip is so refreshing. Even after a Laker basket, he is at the 3 point line in 4 seconds. Jose would get there and there would be 14 seconds on the shot clock.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Say he gives us 20ppg 7assists on 45%shoting and plays 70games do we resign him? I would.

[SaveUsKP6]

Say he gives us 20ppg 7assists on 45%shoting and plays 70games do we resign him? I would.

You'd probably have to, and that's not good considering it will have been a one year sample size after three years of mediocre basketball and health issues. The biggest reason why this trade made little sense.

[BKlutch]

That clip is so refreshing. Even after a Laker basket, he is at the 3 point line in 4 seconds. Jose would get there and there would be 14 seconds on the shot clock.

It always killed me to see that. We never took advantage before the defense was set. That's why I've got an Elephant Fast Break on my avi. I'll have to change it if we start Rose this year.

[StephNYKurry]

Who are we upgrading to from Lopez? Surely not Noah. Dwight? Why would anyone want that? The only upgrade that makes sense is Horford and I'd consider that a long shot.

We don't need to upgrade Robin. We need a reasonable facsimile.


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Ok so again I ask, who is that? Noah is a downgrade, Howard is a terrible idea and Horford is a long shot.

Noah is a downgrade, but not a significant one. Organization seems to be pretty intent on KP playing a good chunk of time at the 5. All we need is a big to soak up 20 minutes or so. The 5 is not where this team's bread will be buttered. We need a screen setter, a ball mover, and a rebounder. Buckets are icing on the cake. Noah's communication is worth the money alone. Remember how good we were defensively with the decrepit corpse of Rasheed Wallace on the court? Noah's got way more left in the tank.

We don't need an All-Star or even a borderline all-star. Solid contributing role player. Not to mention, Noah's temperament might be a little better for this team. We need that Draymond type personality on this team to say what needs to be said when no one else will say it AND the bonus is that you put KP around another ULTRA competitor. That's never a bad thing.

[KingKyrie1]

As a Cavs fans I have to tell you that tanking/ getting a top pick and waiting for the draft and anxiously waiting to see how that player fares and develops is almost a better feeling than winning a ship.
Tank guys, it's worth it.

*Winning isn't worth it.

[BKlutch]

We don't need to upgrade Robin. We need a reasonable facsimile.


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Ok so again I ask, who is that? Noah is a downgrade, Howard is a terrible idea and Horford is a long shot.

Noah is a downgrade, but not a significant one. Organization seems to be pretty intent on KP playing a good chunk of time at the 5. All we need is a big to soak up 20 minutes or so. The 5 is not where this team's bread will be buttered. We need a screen setter, a ball mover, and a rebounder. Buckets are icing on the cake. Noah's communication is worth the money alone. Remember how good we were defensively with the decrepit corpse of Rasheed Wallace on the court? Noah's got way more left in the tank.

We don't need an All-Star or even a borderline all-star. Solid contributing role player. Not to mention, Noah's temperament might be a little better for this team. We need that Draymond type personality on this team to say what needs to be said when no one else will say it AND the bonus is that you put KP around another ULTRA competitor. That's never a bad thing.

We could all use a Draymond type of personality on the team, but he's the only one. Noah would indeed have the right mindset, but physically is not as talented as Dwight. Dwight is years behind Noah mentally. This is why we need KD.

[BKlutch]

As a Cavs fans I have to tell you that tanking/ getting a top pick and waiting for the draft and anxiously waiting to see how that player fares and develops is almost a better feeling than winning a ship.
Tank guys, it's worth it.

Thanks for the advice. Was this supposed to be funny, or are you a troll?

[Pjax4Prez]

As a Cavs fans I have to tell you that tanking/ getting a top pick and waiting for the draft and anxiously waiting to see how that player fares and develops is almost a better feeling than winning a ship.
Tank guys, it's worth it.

*Winning isn't worth it.

I mean we don't have much room to talk of course considering that y'all just won the ship and we can't even make the playoffs, but those 4 years while Lebron was gone? How much fun was that?

Kyrie of course developed, but guys like Bennett, Thompson, and Waiters didn't quite live up to their draft position.

[KingKyrie1]

As a Cavs fans I have to tell you that tanking/ getting a top pick and waiting for the draft and anxiously waiting to see how that player fares and develops is almost a better feeling than winning a ship.
Tank guys, it's worth it.

Thanks for the advice. Was this supposed to be funny, or are you a troll?

How is this a troll attempt? draft was something to look for and developing players is better than buying them.

[BKlutch]

As a Cavs fans I have to tell you that tanking/ getting a top pick and waiting for the draft and anxiously waiting to see how that player fares and develops is almost a better feeling than winning a ship.
Tank guys, it's worth it.

Thanks for the advice. Was this supposed to be funny, or are you a troll?

How is this a troll attempt? draft was something to look for and developing players is better than buying them.

No thanks, we feel winning a championship is better than tanking. Enjoy it while you have it.

[HEZI]

As a Cavs fans I have to tell you that tanking/ getting a top pick and waiting for the draft and anxiously waiting to see how that player fares and develops is almost a better feeling than winning a ship.
Tank guys, it's worth it.

Thanks for the advice. Was this supposed to be funny, or are you a troll?

How is this a troll attempt? draft was something to look for and developing players is better than buying them.

[KingKyrie1]

Thanks for the advice. Was this supposed to be funny, or are you a troll?

How is this a troll attempt? draft was something to look for and developing players is better than buying them.

No thanks, we feel winning a championship is better than tanking. Enjoy it while you have it.

Do you think you can win a championship with Melo and Rose? I'm not so sure man :/