Derrick Rose to NY

[F N 11]

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[thebuzzardman]

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Not really true to the jealous Bulls fan thing. There was a large number of fans who wanted him traded because they think he is done, both physically and mentally. They don't think a big year is coming because they've been waiting for 2+years. They'd think the same thing if he was still on the Bulls. I've always been on the "give him one more year" bandwagon. I think he will be great this season. I hope he stays healthy for you guys. I think a change of scenery will do him well.

Also, on the free throw question someone else was asking, as some one who has watched every Bulls game the past 8ish years or so, yes, he was getting jobbed on free throws lAst season. It was hard to watch.

He tore his ACL and then hurt his MCL. Bulls fans should not have expected anything for at least 3-4 years.

ACL, then meniscus, not MCL.

ACL was torn 2011-12.

Missed all of 2012-13, came back for 2013-14, partially tore his meniscus, similar to the injuries Westbrook, Kemba, and Bledsoe had.

Rose had his repaired. Taking out the meniscus completely is a quicker recovery time, but could give you issues down the road (see Wade, Dwyane).

Complained of pain from his meniscus in 2014-15. Didn't miss any games from it until they decided to go in and shave it down. It was an outpatient surgery and he walked out of the building. Comes back before the playoffs, averages 20ppg and played probably his best ball of the season.
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He's going on 3 years post ACL, so I think he's fine now. He will miss games here & there with hamstring issues because that all ties into your knee, but I think his days of major injury are basically over. This will be his best year since 2011-12.

God, can anyone imagine KP cleaning up Rose's misses on drives like this? I mean, even it he's not converting all of them it's good news. KP is going to feast on the offensive glass.

[spree2kawhi]

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I laughed hard

[Indomitable]

If Rose stays healthy, he will eat and own his critics souls this season.

He is 3yrs off surgery, only 27yrs old and most importantly, on his contract year. Big year coming. Bulls fans who say not happening are jealous.

Not really true to the jealous Bulls fan thing. There was a large number of fans who wanted him traded because they think he is done, both physically and mentally. They don't think a big year is coming because they've been waiting for 2+years. They'd think the same thing if he was still on the Bulls. I've always been on the "give him one more year" bandwagon. I think he will be great this season. I hope he stays healthy for you guys. I think a change of scenery will do him well.

Also, on the free throw question someone else was asking, as some one who has watched every Bulls game the past 8ish years or so, yes, he was getting jobbed on free throws lAst season. It was hard to watch.

There was a group who never got over the ACL gate. Rose needs to work on his conditioning because he was exhausted at times. That was his biggest problem. He needs to run his a$$ off. He would be going well and then get winded.

[Triple C]

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Use the right version

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[2Chainz]

The only thing I would say about Rose is he doesnt get to the line like he use to. I think that will come back with time. He has Melo and KP so far to carry some load.

If he can get his "star" reputation back then he will start getting the calls. The only way to do that is if Knicks starts winning games.

Rose's decreased FT attempts is not due to a loss of star power. It is because he actively avoids contact.

That's not necessarily true though.And even it was he would get there more than 2.7 times a game. Hopefully that changes this year because that's what really could boost his efficiency numbers and make him a really respectable scorer again just if he is able to get to the line 5-7 times per game.

It should be easier for him though especially if a shooter is signed at the 2. Help defense will be late recovering to him at the rim with all the spacing and the fouls will be blatantly obvious because he was jobbed last year for whatever reason

[Capn'O]

If Rose stays healthy, he will eat and own his critics souls this season.

He is 3yrs off surgery, only 27yrs old and most importantly, on his contract year. Big year coming. Bulls fans who say not happening are jealous.

Not really true to the jealous Bulls fan thing. There was a large number of fans who wanted him traded because they think he is done, both physically and mentally. They don't think a big year is coming because they've been waiting for 2+years. They'd think the same thing if he was still on the Bulls. I've always been on the "give him one more year" bandwagon. I think he will be great this season. I hope he stays healthy for you guys. I think a change of scenery will do him well.

Also, on the free throw question someone else was asking, as some one who has watched every Bulls game the past 8ish years or so, yes, he was getting jobbed on free throws lAst season. It was hard to watch.

I think there are two keys to whether this works out for NYK. The first, obviously, being his health. The second is that he needs to follow through on his commitment to be more of a distributor so he can have an effective year rather than a big one. It seems like he was in a damned if he did damned if he didn't situation in Chicago as you guys were going nowhere without him taking on a major brunt of the scoring but he really couldn't handle it on a night to night basis. Your team was built around a healthy Rose.

He will have more weapons here. If he can make Melo and Porzingis' (and whoever else NYK gets) life easier on offense it will preserve him from some of the reinjury risk. So, if he can commit to that he can have a much more statistically positive impact on the team and maybe have some energy to take over a game here and there.

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Gotta feel for Bulls fans.

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[BugginOut]

After watching D-Rose highlights for the past week I can't believe how anyone can't be excited about this trade. If Rose can stay healthy he will be the best guard we've had on this team in more than a decade. Finally we have a PG who can get in the damn lane and attack the rim. Also this will be the first time that Rose has had a healthy offseason and will come into the season fresh and hungry to prove himself in a contract year.

If we get one of Noah or Howard this team will be a top 3 team in the East. Book it

[will34]

After watching D-Rose highlights for the past week I can't believe how anyone can't be excited about this trade. If Rose can stay healthy he will be the best guard we've had on this team in more than a decade. Finally we have a PG who can get in the damn lane and attack the rim. Also this will be the first time that Rose has had a healthy offseason and will come into the season fresh and hungry to prove himself in a contract year.

If we get one of Noah or Howard this team will be a top 3 team in the East. Book it

That's why people are worried about it.

[Pjax4Prez]

After watching D-Rose highlights for the past week I can't believe how anyone can't be excited about this trade. If Rose can stay healthy he will be the best guard we've had on this team in more than a decade. Finally we have a PG who can get in the damn lane and attack the rim. Also this will be the first time that Rose has had a healthy offseason and will come into the season fresh and hungry to prove himself in a contract year.

If we get one of Noah or Howard this team will be a top 3 team in the East. Book it

I have also been watching Rose highlights for the last week or so and it's impossible to not get excited about the prospect of him playing well, and where that could lead us

[NBA Fan 1234]

In case y'all didn't know, highlights are meant to make guys look amazing - that's why they're called highlights and not lowlights or what this player really is like-lights.

[BugginOut]

In case y'all didn't know, highlights are meant to make guys look amazing - that's why they're called highlights and not lowlights or what this player really is like-lights.

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

[kej718]

I like that Rose is doing a lot of yoga which could reduce chance for future fiber tears.

Yup plus that is one thing he and Clyde have in common. I hope they are open to working together, because there is a lot he can still learn from one of the best to ever do it. I know people hate Isiah but he is in the building too, and if he is willing to work with Rose that will also be great.

Rose has a relationship with Isiah. Obviously they're both from Chicago, but Derrick has said he looked up to him and tried taking parts of his game and adding it to his.

Derrick got in touch with him after the 2011-12 regular season ended. He asked what it took to lead your team to the championship as a PG (IT was the last PG to lead his team in scoring & win the title). Here's the article if you guys want to take a look. I think the Bulls could've won the title that year had Rose not got injured.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7555698/chicago-bulls-derrick-rose-sought-advice-isiah-thomas

[NBA Fan 1234]

In case y'all didn't know, highlights are meant to make guys look amazing - that's why they're called highlights and not lowlights or what this player really is like-lights.

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

[Poohdini1]

If he can get his "star" reputation back then he will start getting the calls. The only way to do that is if Knicks starts winning games.

Rose's decreased FT attempts is not due to a loss of star power. It is because he actively avoids contact.

That's not necessarily true though.And even it was he would get there more than 2.7 times a game. Hopefully that changes this year because that's what really could boost his efficiency numbers and make him a really respectable scorer again just if he is able to get to the line 5-7 times per game.

It should be easier for him though especially if a shooter is signed at the 2. Help defense will be late recovering to him at the rim with all the spacing and the fouls will be blatantly obvious because he was jobbed last year for whatever reason

Rose definitely avoids contact, although not as bad as it used to be.

He said a few years ago that's how he played coming up.No fouls on the blacktop so rather than getting hit by big dudes he'd just adjust his body to get a cleaner look at the hoop.

[Poohdini1]

In case y'all didn't know, highlights are meant to make guys look amazing - that's why they're called highlights and not lowlights or what this player really is like-lights.

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

What is TS% and how is it accounted for?

Ppl were complaining at his advanced stats all year, but the last 3 months of the season he shot like 44%, 46%, and 47%. The only months he didn't shoot over 40% were the 1st 2, and he was playing with damn near 1 eye.

His defense came & went. Opposing teams would usually attack Mirotic, or they would go after Derrick & Pau in the PNR. Derrick would sometimes get caught up in the screens, and Pau is probably the worst PNR defender of all time. He wouldn't come close to hedging and would mostly just stay camped in the lane.

He has the ability to guard so hopefully he shows that again since he won't have as much a burden on offense anymore.

Which games did you watch if you don't mind me asking?

[BugginOut]

In case y'all didn't know, highlights are meant to make guys look amazing - that's why they're called highlights and not lowlights or what this player really is like-lights.

I get that highlights are suppose to make a player look amazing, it's not the only factor I am considering. Highlights can make Bargnani look like a beast. The things I'm looking at are Rose's explosiveness, his first step and the different ways he can attack and finish at the rim. He honestly looks like a blur on the court and his passes have been lightening quick as well. Also the fact that he shot over 47% from the field to finish out the season gives me hope that his offense will improve after a full and healthy offseason.

Haven't looked too much on how Rose is on defense, but considering we had to deal with Calderon last year it can't possibly be a downgrade.

He's actually been an average finisher in the paint his entire career (same goes for average - he's either basically at average TS% or below). Last year he was at 51%, which is bad. He shot 47% over 21 games (sample size)...and still had a below average TS%. That's also bad.

His defense was bad last year as well.

The night of the trade I watched 4 games from throughout the year - he had the same issues he's had his entire career. His biggest issue, IMO, has been his poor shot selection.

Honestly, all we need Rose to do is be average and we will be a lot better than we were last year. We had the worst guard rotation in the league last year, all Rose needs to do is stay healthy and not completely fall off the map and we'll make the playoffs