Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups

2010 · Post #42 » by **2010** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 4:45 pm

vallen wrote:
2010 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6437715

Billups will be 35 in September and said this week he hoped to return to New York for his 15th NBA season. After playing most of his career at 215 pounds, Billups said Monday he planned to come in at 210 next season to better handle the pace of Mike D'Antoni's system. He insists he has plenty of basketball left.

"My body has been great," Billups said. "I'm 34, not 39. My first five years I didn't play that much anyway, unfortunately, but my body is fine."

you said "He has been quoted as saying he wants to play for at least 2-to-3 more season"

i dont see that quote anywhere. i see a guy reassuring people hes was worth his option being picked up, that hes got plenty of basketball left. not that hes playing any extra seasons in NYC beyond that....

either way i get it, you think chauncey can be the man for 3-4 more more years here, i think we can do better. w/e.

No, don't put words in my mouth buddy. What I'm saying is depending on how our team is constituted (depending on if we can acquire a defensive-minded *real*center) Billups can certainly serve as our 3rd scoring option averging upwards of 15ppg. He said he can still play a few more seasons and I never said anything about him being THE MAN for 3-4 more years here. Can you read?

vallen · Post #43 » by **vallen** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 4:46 pm

2010 wrote:If you think Billups is talking like a general manager, well, that’s eventually what he wouldn’t mind becoming. But Billups, 35 in September, looks to still have several seasons left as a player.

Billups is in no hurry to retire, saying he plans to play at least a couple of more seasons. Will he last as long as Dallas point guard Jason Kidd, 38, who has said he would like to play until he’s 40? “I’m pretty sure I could,’’ Billups said.

http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tomass ... ore-stars/

Billups, who calls playing in New York “absolutely awesome,” said it’s “all up in the air’’ what might happen when he becomes a free agent next summer. Until then, Billups will be renting while playing for the Knicks.

Actually, he rents by the day

and goes on to say in the same link...

“I live here,’’ Billups, a Denver native, said of the Mile High City. “I ain’t leaving here. This is my town no matter who I’m playing for… Why would I do that (establish a less temporary residence in the New York area)? I live here. I don’t need that. I got a house here. I’m by myself. Why would I buy something (in the New York area)?’’

Does Billups’ love for Denver mean he would be open to a third stint with the Nuggets? He played for them from 1998-2000 and from November 2008 until being shipped to the Knicks.

Read more: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tomass ... z1ZY7WY2Ly

tell me a guy who rents a hotel day to day is staying here 3-4 more seasons....he will be back in den as soon as his contract expires...

2010 · Post #44 » by **2010** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 4:57 pm

Vallen, just because the guy didn't run out and purchase a home in NY doenst mean he's retiring for a front office job in Denver after his contract expires next summer. Donnie Walsh was GM here for 3 years and he never purchased a home here either (his home is in Indiana and he rented in NY). Amar'e Stoudemire rents too! Why would Billups buy a home when he was traded here last season when he didn't know if THE KNICKS would pickup his option for this upcoming season (eventually they did...but he didn't know that was a certainty) and he could still end up not being resigned in 2012 (if they choose to invest in others). Those situations are beyond his control...I would rent too if I were him. His family life is rooted in Denver (he is a Colorado guy since a child, H.S., college and the pros) but that doesn't mean he has to uproot his wife and kids to play in NY for a couple more seasons if they wish to re-sign him.

Post #45 » by **j4remi** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 5:16 pm

I didn't see it as an insult. Going forward they will have to think about a true third option bc Chauncey isn't going to be around much longer.

BBALLER4FR · Post #46 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 5:35 pm

As a side note:

Anybody else gain more respect for Amare and a little less for Melo? I like how Amare came to NY to win and how he's staying out of this bull$hit. As much as I like Melo on this team, his attending these meetings with the likes of Wade/LeBron, the glorified pickup games where rosters are stacked but no semblance of true basketball can be found, these little superstar cliques... they are really starting to turn me off to the game.

Amare came to NY (for whatever reason you feel is valid) and he immediately affected the W/L column. Now he (and Billups) lay back awaiting the season looking to help the Knicks. On the other hand Melo (and the awaiting of CP3) puts the Knicks in the same light as the primadonna Heat. After all his shenanigans last season holding 3 teams hostage (Den/NY/NJ) why can't this cat stay off the radar? Why isn't his focus on how we can be a stronger team and less about how much he can get his name out there? Dudes really pi$$ing me off right now!!!

NYman15 · Post #47 » by **NYman15** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 5:35 pm

I don't know how much longer Billups wants to play. He might want to move back to Denver, who knows? But I have no doubts that Billups will be ready for this upcoming season. He's a true professional. Maybe he ends up coming back depending on how the season goes. We'll see.

Jheri Curl · Post #48 » by **Jheri Curl** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 6:09 pm

Wade didn't disrespect anybody. How long you all expect Billups to be around for? Stop reading into thins so much....

Post #49 » by **j4remi** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 6:18 pm

BBALLER4FR wrote:As a side note:

Anybody else gain more respect for Amare and a little less for Melo? I like how Amare came to NY to win and how he's staying out of this bull$hit. As much as I like Melo on this team, his attending these meetings with the likes of Wade/LeBron, the glorified pickup games where rosters are stacked but no semblance of true basketball can be found, these little superstar cliques... they are really starting to turn me off to the game.

Amare came to NY (for whatever reason you feel is valid) and he immediately affected the W/L column. Now he (and Billups) lay back awaiting the season looking to help the Knicks. On the other hand Melo (and the awaiting of CP3) puts the Knicks in the same light as the primadonna Heat. After all his shenanigans last season holding 3 teams hostage (Den/NY/NJ) why can't this cat stay off the radar? Why isn't his focus on how we can be a stronger team and less about how much he can get his name out there? Dudes really pi$$ing me off right now!!!

There are a slew of players at those meetings and it's for the good of ALL his peers. Those glorified pick up games are for charities aren't they? I don't see any reason to respect Melo less. I gained respect watching him train harder than he has in years and hearing that he's in the best shape of his career directly after he got a long term contract. I've seen too many guys get long contracts and slack off.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #50 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 6:22 pm

BBALLER4FR wrote:As a side note:

Anybody else gain more respect for Amare and a little less for Melo? I like how Amare came to NY to win and how he's staying out of this bull$hit. As much as I like Melo on this team, his attending these meetings with the likes of Wade/LeBron, the glorified pickup games where rosters are stacked but no semblance of true basketball can be found, these little superstar cliques... they are really starting to turn me off to the game.

Amare came to NY (for whatever reason you feel is valid) and he immediately affected the W/L column. Now he (and Billups) lay back awaiting the season looking to help the Knicks. On the other hand Melo (and the awaiting of CP3) puts the Knicks in the same light as the primadonna Heat. After all his shenanigans last season holding 3 teams hostage (Den/NY/NJ) why can't this cat stay off the radar? Why isn't his focus on how we can be a stronger team and less about how much he can get his name out there? Dudes really pi$$ing me off right now!!!

Don't care. Glad he's at the meetings--he's a face of arguably the most valuable franchise in the league--makes sense he's there. Those guys have always been friends--it's NEVER hurt him on the court--in fact he takes it up another notch when he plays those guys.

Falstaffxx · Post #51 » by **Falstaffxx** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 6:25 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Don't care. Glad he's at the meetings--he's a face of arguably the most valuable franchise in the league--makes sense he's there. Those guys have always been friends--it's NEVER hurt him on the court--in fact he takes it up another notch when he plays those guys.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he destroys Lebron on the court.

BBALLER4FR · Post #52 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 6:57 pm

If these guys being front and center of negotiations is an indication of where the league is headed and how it's run, the sport is doomed. These guys behave the exact opposite of Jordan, Magic, Duncan, Nash, etc. This new crop of superstars are arrogant, selfish, stubborn and dumb (Just look at how each behaved last year). To the young fan they appear to be good for the league because they do charity, and they stand up for themselves against the mean old bosses and tyrant CEO of the NBA.

Compare Wade/LBJ/Melo to the diplomats of the previous era and this crop of $20 million players are DUMB! It's all about BRAND with them (CAA) and less about the game. It started with Miami, it continues with New York. You can't even try to put the Lakers in that category because despite having high payroll and high star power there was always a sense of team (NOT BRAND/hometown) unity.

j4remi wrote:There are a slew of players at those meetings and it's for the good of ALL his peers. Those glorified pick up games are for charities aren't they? I don't see any reason to respect Melo less. I gained respect watching him train harder than he has in years and hearing that he's in the best shape of his career directly after he got a long term contract. I've seen too many guys get long contracts and slack off.

Again, if he were working out with his team instead of repping his Brand and his hometown, I wouldn't have a problem. The charity thing is commendable but I don't see how anything other than the intense workout helps the Knicks chemistry wise particularly with the 11th hour negotiations and the limited time should a new CBA be reached. Him playing hog ball with LeBron, CP3 and non-Knick scrubs helps the Knicks none.

At least Amare talked about holding a workout in the event of a shortened season. If Melo wanted to be taken seriously he would get as many of his guys in the gym right now. That's leadership. If Wade and LeBron want to work on their brand this offseason let Miami pay the price. Anyone defending Melo for doing the same is more about his brand and less about this team. Even Billiups played @ impact with Shump (and S. Will/Jeffries were slated).

Post #53 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 7:11 pm

2010 wrote:
vallen wrote:all off season long all i hear are scenarios about what we are going to do with our 2012 money. i dont think one of those scenarios were "lets resign Chauncey, hes good enough to be our 3rd".........

you have to respect chauncey, hes had a great career, but hes not our answer for the next 4-6 years...everyone knows this, and what dwayne said has only been echoed on this board 1000x over...

no big deal.

Of course as Knicks fans we're going to dream up scenarios where we have enough cap space to acquire top notch talent like Paul or Howard as our first choice. But it remains to be seen if the next CBA will allow that to happen realistically. Therefore, even Wade himself seems to be speaking into the boom mic about how we do not need a third superstar. With that said, a scenario where end up resigning Billups for cheap as our third scorer and investing the bulk of our remaining cap space on a defensive center like Greg Oden with maybe the leftovers going to a discount guy like Wilson Chandler (along with the development of Iman Shumpert) we'd maybe even be more of a contender than say solely signing Paul and a bunch of scrubs.

We still wouldn't have someone to run the offense. Chauncey is a lot of things. A great playmaker for others is not one of them.

Priggy Smalls · Post #54 » by **Priggy Smalls** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 7:47 pm

BBALLER4FR wrote:At least Amare talked about holding a workout in the event of a shortened season. If Melo wanted to be taken seriously he would get as many of his guys in the gym right now. That's leadership. If Wade and LeBron want to work on their brand this offseason let Miami pay the price. Anyone defending Melo for doing the same is more about his brand and less about this team. Even Billiups played @ impact with Shump (and S. Will/Jeffries were slated).

Carmelo said he was planning to hold team workouts if Amare doesn't get his **** together soon.

Post #55 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 7:53 pm

rayray2 wrote:
BBALLER4FR wrote:At least Amare talked about holding a workout in the event of a shortened season. If Melo wanted to be taken seriously he would get as many of his guys in the gym right now. That's leadership. If Wade and LeBron want to work on their brand this offseason let Miami pay the price. Anyone defending Melo for doing the same is more about his brand and less about this team. Even Billiups played @ impact with Shump (and S. Will/Jeffries were slated).

Carmelo said he was planning to hold team workouts if Amare doesn't get his **** together soon.

I'm not gonna lie. I love Amare, but he really dropped the ball on this whole workout thing. Lost a little bit of my respect as a leader.

vallen · Post #56 » by **vallen** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 7:57 pm

as long as dude comes back healthy im not even concerned. hes allowed to have a life, outside of the divas world.

Post #57 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 8:00 pm

vallen wrote:as long as dude comes back healthy im not even concerned. hes allowed to have a life, outside of the divas world.

Obviously his health is paramount, but it's more about him not keeping his word, and not walking the walk. It was scheduled for August, then September, then only if the NBA starts late. In the meantime, he was doing fashion shows, tours to China, etc...

I'm not faulting him for having a life, but don't pretend something is a priority when it's not. As a leader, that looks bad. Hence you have players like Chauncey and Melo not really taking his camp seriously at this point.

vallen · Post #58 » by **vallen** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 8:05 pm

GONYK wrote:
vallen wrote:as long as dude comes back healthy im not even concerned. hes allowed to have a life, outside of the divas world.

Obviously his health is paramount, but it's more about him not keeping his word, and not walking the walk. It was scheduled for August, then September, then only if the NBA starts late. In the meantime, he was doing fashion shows, tours to China, etc...

I'm not faulting him for having a life, but don't pretend something is a priority when it's not. As a leader, that looks bad. Hence you have players like Chauncey and Melo not really taking his camp seriously at this point.

im sorry i must be missing something. what did Amare promise anybody this off-season ?

Post #59 » by **NoLayupRule** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 8:05 pm

Billups is a lot of things and he's not a lot of other things. We need to concentrate on what he is.

What he is is a leader, a Clutch player, a smart player and a vet who's experience can make a big difference especially late in games or in the playoffs.

What he's not is the future, inexpensive, young, fast or able to defend the young guards.

Still its high time we had a vet who actually knows his position on the team instead of jokes like Hughes and Marbury

Post #60 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 8:10 pm

vallen wrote:
GONYK wrote:
vallen wrote:as long as dude comes back healthy im not even concerned. hes allowed to have a life, outside of the divas world.

Obviously his health is paramount, but it's more about him not keeping his word, and not walking the walk. It was scheduled for August, then September, then only if the NBA starts late. In the meantime, he was doing fashion shows, tours to China, etc...

I'm not faulting him for having a life, but don't pretend something is a priority when it's not. As a leader, that looks bad. Hence you have players like Chauncey and Melo not really taking his camp seriously at this point.

im sorry i must be missing something. what did Amare promise anybody this off-season ?

He said he would rent out the IMG academy in the summer, and get hotel rooms for everyone, and hold a mini-camp so training camp isn't the first time everyone got to play with each other, and we can hit the ground running in the season.

It was supposed to be in August. Then it got postponed until the 3 week in September. Then it became something that will only happen if the lockout causes us to miss games.

Meanwhile, he was off doing fashion shows and such while Philly, Memphis, and the Clippers I believe all went off and managed to organize their own mini-camps.

Like I said, I don't fault him for having a life. I fault him for not keeping his word.