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Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise?

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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#41 » by Context » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:42 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
kneega wrote:Knicks aquiring CP3 = No: Lin, Chandler, Fields, and 2 future first rounders.

I'll take Lin, Chandler, Fields, and 2 future firsts...

So yes, I agree- blessing in disguise.


You would've taken it before the Nets game? Don't bullchit me...


Check my post history. I have my reservations about Paul because of his injury history. Regardless, the thread is about not getting Paul being a blessing in disguise- I agree.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#42 » by Thugger HBC » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:43 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:It looks like that right now... But i'd still rather have Cp3 and a no name banger. That's just me though... Paul,Amar'e and Melo= at least 1 championship and that's all I want.

I agree, but I have to admit that seeing Lin perform like a legit pg, and Chandler being that center the team needed is one hell of a consolation prize.


No doubt.. I'm loving especially when I watching him a couple of years ago in the vegas SL and thinking why don't we take a look at this kid.. and then realizing the Knicks F/O never takes any chances on a young unknown player.

Gotta thank some basketball Gods for Lin.

Two teams who didn't want to let him go, and he literally fell in our lap.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#43 » by vallen » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:43 am

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Pharmcat wrote:wait im confused

so if some1 offers him the mle, and if ny matches, does that mean ny loses its own mle?


We don't "lose" it.

It goes to Lin


The bigger question is if we use full MLE on Lin...Can we still resign Fields? do we have his bird rights?


this is what ive gotten so far. hes a RFA , no "full birds" yet only "early birds" but if we offer the QO and he accepts, then he will get full birds the following season. if hes thinking about taking an offer from another team, they are limited to what they can offer, and we can match.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#44 » by Grinditout » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:45 am

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Grinditout wrote:People were probably thinking that after the Chandler signing we could use the vet or MLE to pick up a PG. Hell people were talking about Baron faking the injury and him contributing early.


OT-Yo Ibrah, was that you calling in on the post game show?


No... what did he say?

No MLE PG, vet min. PG or even Baron can do what this kid is doing and to the extent he's doing it.


Nah, he just had the same name as you. Talked about how when Lin is off the floor, then we can go to Melo iso mode.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#45 » by GONYK » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:45 am

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I hear you... But you and I both know a good PG turns ordinary rotation players into good rotation players... so if you were to have filled in the blanks we would've been fine.

But I'm starting to sense that people who didn't want 3maxes knew a player like Lin was an easy pick up... it's as if they're justifying it because they knew we were going to get lucky.

This came out of nowhere for the franchise and we could've signed Lin if we had 3 maxes anyway. There was absolutely no logic or planning to the Lin signing... our usually inept front office got luck this time.


Oh, that I agree with. I don't give our FO any credit for what I'm saying. I'm just saying out of sheer luck, we've seem to come out better than we might have if we went the 3 MAX route.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#46 » by xsaberx » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:54 am

vallen wrote:
BrOnXKing1 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
We don't "lose" it.

It goes to Lin


The bigger question is if we use full MLE on Lin...Can we still resign Fields? do we have his bird rights?


this is what ive gotten so far. hes a RFA , no "full birds" yet only "early birds" but if we offer the QO and he accepts, then he will get full birds the following season. if hes thinking about taking an offer from another team, they are limited to what they can offer, and we can match.


Fields is restricted and we have his early bird rights, so we can match any offer he gets (which cannot be higher than the MLE). If we match it will NOT count as us using our MLE.

With Lin, we will have to use our MLE on him if want to pay him, or if he gets offered, above 2 million .(LLE).
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#47 » by DocZaius » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:54 am

Trade Fields

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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#48 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:42 am

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I hear you... But you and I both know a good PG turns ordinary rotation players into good rotation players... so if you were to have filled in the blanks we would've been fine.

But I'm starting to sense that people who didn't want 3maxes knew a player like Lin was an easy pick up... it's as if they're justifying it because they knew we were going to get lucky.

This came out of nowhere for the franchise and we could've signed Lin if we had 3 maxes anyway. There was absolutely no logic or planning to the Lin signing... our usually inept front office got luck this time.


Oh, that I agree with. I don't give our FO any credit for what I'm saying. I'm just saying out of sheer luck, we've seem to come out better than we might have if we went the 3 MAX route.


Absolutely... I can't believe it's us (kNick fans) finally looking to have caught a break...
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#49 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:13 am

Chris Paul was a bigger pipe dream then Lebron. It was never realistic.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#50 » by GONYK » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:16 am

Despite saying in his FAQ “If a player is waived and is claimed by another team before he clears waivers, then his Bird clock resets,” Larry Coon now says that if that happens, a player does not lose his Bird Rights. If that is the case, then the Knicks would, in fact, own Lin’s Early Bird Rights. In which case they can do the same thing with Lin that they can do with Fields, which is to say that he can be signed for any amount up to the mid-level salary without having to touch the Knicks’ own mid-level exeception (and other teams would be limited to offering the mid-level for Lin, so the Knicks could match if they wish).


http://knickerblogger.net/the-contract-statuses-of-jeremy-lin-and-landry-fields/

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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#51 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:18 am

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Despite saying in his FAQ “If a player is waived and is claimed by another team before he clears waivers, then his Bird clock resets,” Larry Coon now says that if that happens, a player does not lose his Bird Rights. If that is the case, then the Knicks would, in fact, own Lin’s Early Bird Rights. In which case they can do the same thing with Lin that they can do with Fields, which is to say that he can be signed for any amount up to the mid-level salary without having to touch the Knicks’ own mid-level exeception (and other teams would be limited to offering the mid-level for Lin, so the Knicks could match if they wish).


http://knickerblogger.net/the-contract-statuses-of-jeremy-lin-and-landry-fields/

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That makes much more sense!! Thats what I thought!
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#52 » by Priggy Smalls » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:19 am

this is the kind of break this team needed to be able to build any sort of depth. i'm floored that it actually happened
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#53 » by NYDesi80 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:35 am

As much as I'm already on the band wagon for Lin Im still waiting to see how he fairs against the more elite teams and also when the scouts are in full force. Time will tell but I'm a believer!!
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#54 » by AllanHoustonFan » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:41 am

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Despite saying in his FAQ “If a player is waived and is claimed by another team before he clears waivers, then his Bird clock resets,” Larry Coon now says that if that happens, a player does not lose his Bird Rights. If that is the case, then the Knicks would, in fact, own Lin’s Early Bird Rights. In which case they can do the same thing with Lin that they can do with Fields, which is to say that he can be signed for any amount up to the mid-level salary without having to touch the Knicks’ own mid-level exeception (and other teams would be limited to offering the mid-level for Lin, so the Knicks could match if they wish).


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Post#55 » by nrober4201 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:45 am

nrober4201 wrote:just wondering, over a full season and starting, what type of stats do you see Lin putting up?
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#56 » by stuporman » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:45 am

So I guess Grunwald did have a clue about what he was doing..... hmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#57 » by DocZaius » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:47 am

nrober4201 wrote:
nrober4201 wrote:just wondering, over a full season and starting, what type of stats do you see Lin putting up?


17 ppg 8 assists 2 stls
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#58 » by Grinditout » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:18 am

DocZaius wrote:
nrober4201 wrote:
nrober4201 wrote:just wondering, over a full season and starting, what type of stats do you see Lin putting up?


17 ppg 8 assists 2 stls


I'd say more like 16 ppg 9 asts 2 stls, either way would be great.
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#59 » by DowNY » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:23 am

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GONYK wrote:
Despite saying in his FAQ “If a player is waived and is claimed by another team before he clears waivers, then his Bird clock resets,” Larry Coon now says that if that happens, a player does not lose his Bird Rights. If that is the case, then the Knicks would, in fact, own Lin’s Early Bird Rights. In which case they can do the same thing with Lin that they can do with Fields, which is to say that he can be signed for any amount up to the mid-level salary without having to touch the Knicks’ own mid-level exeception (and other teams would be limited to offering the mid-level for Lin, so the Knicks could match if they wish).


http://knickerblogger.net/the-contract-statuses-of-jeremy-lin-and-landry-fields/

#LINNING!!!


I can't believe things are actually going our way for once :D
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Re: Not getting Paul Was the biggest blessing in disguise? 

Post#60 » by SportCritic » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:29 am

If Lin starts a full season and plays a full season with Melo and Stat, there's no way he averages less than 10 assists per game.

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