Who would replace Felton? (Top 10 PGs)

yaboynyp · Post #41 » by **yaboynyp** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:44 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:I'd love to get Lin here, but we don't have what it takes to get a PG of that caliber...

Jeremy Lin #7 PG

PPG APG SPG 3P% FT%
12.0 6.3 1.8 .271 .818

Starks · Post #42 » by **Starks** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:12 pm

yaboynyp wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I'd love to get Lin here, but we don't have what it takes to get a PG of that caliber...

Jeremy Lin #7 PG

PPG APG SPG 3P% FT%
12.0 6.3 1.8 .271 .818

Thanks.

nykballa2k4 · Post #43 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:20 pm

What we need to do is keep Felton, but give him a lesser role. He wants to win in NY. Other teams know if he gets traded what will happen. Prigioni is the trade chip. A guy like Prigioni might have appeal in places such as Toronto.

Novak, Shumpert, Prigioni for Lowry is about fair value.

ctorres · Post #44 » by **ctorres** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:20 pm

I don't want to know what this forum would have been like during the days of Charlie Ward and Chris Childs. Felton is better than both those guys.

Post #45 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:26 pm

I don't see what is the love for Lowry, dude can't shoot, and is an average playmaker.

yaboynyp · Post #46 » by **yaboynyp** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see what is the love for Lowry, dude can't shoot, and is an average playmaker.

Thought I was the only one…smh

R-DAWG · Post #47 » by **R-DAWG** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:53 pm

Lowry CAN shoot. For the past 2 years he's shot 37% from 3. His numbers are very similar to Raymonds. Ray runs the pick and roll a little better but Lowry is a much better defender and a better shooter.

But here's why I would do the trade - Lowry is only 26 and has never played on a team with great leaders (Jason Kidd) and great finishers (Tyson, Amare) not to mention he's never played with a player like Melo. The talent is there for him to be a great pick and roll player and develop into an all-star PG that averages 18pts-5rbs, and 9 assists. Factor in the talent and leadership and he can reach his potential.

Felton is what he is, an average to slightly above average NBA PG. He's a bulldog and a warrior and i'd hate to see him go. BUT if the price is cheap enough, I would take a chance on him. Two years ago he was considered a future all-star. I think Coach Woodson and Jason Kidd can help get him there, and that makes the New York Knicks and better team.

howe070523 · Post #48 » by **howe070523** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:01 am

Breakmon, arent you the one who trolled clutchfans and got a warning?

Anyway why would the Knicks give up on Felton? Felton has been nothing but solid for the knicks, lately he has been playing hurt but lets not forget the 20-8 record.

Sark · Post #49 » by **Sark** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:38 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:What we need to do is keep Felton, but give him a lesser role. He wants to win in NY. Other teams know if he gets traded what will happen. Prigioni is the trade chip. A guy like Prigioni might have appeal in places such as Toronto.

Novak, Shumpert, Prigioni for Lowry is about fair value.

Why would we get rid of Shumpert, who is our 2G for another PG? Felton is much more expendable than Shumpert is.

Post #50 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:51 am

Rather have Calderon than Lowry.

But it doesn't matter, Felton is our boss at the pg position.

Knicksfan20 · Post #51 » by **Knicksfan20** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:49 am

Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see what is the love for Lowry, dude can't shoot, and is an average playmaker.

Yea i dont get it either. I wouldnt even trade Shump straight up for him. Felton is a good enough PG and his roll will lessen once we are at full strength.

Both shump and Amare are going to be taking shots from Felton. Felton is going to turn into a 13/8.5 type of player once we get our guys back.

jstarks10 · Post #52 » by **jstarks10** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:35 am

lol kyle lowry is slightly better player than felton. Lowry is a better shooter and defender, but he is very injury prone.
Lowry can easily put up 18/6/8 with 2-3 steals and even a block or two on a nightly basis. His injuries has been throwing him off. The reason why the raptors were losing in the beginning was clearly because of bargnani.

SportsFan88 · Post #53 » by **SportsFan88** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:36 am

Jamaal Tinsley:

Now, before you get all crazy on me, let me just clarify a few things.

I'm not saying Tinsley should be our starting PG...not by any means.

As a backup, however, he is an awesome floor general.

Felton has been an above average guard for us this season, but his poor shooting has killed us on a lot of nights.

I really like Felton. I like how active he is on the floor, and I like his improved defense, however... I've always felt he would make a much better PG if he took 3 or 4 less shots a game, and showed more patience with his selection. Too often I find him wildly driving towards the hoop and chucking up absolute duds in critical situations. There have been quite a few times this year where we have lost by a small margin, and Felton has shot 5 of 20 from the field. That poor shooting has sometimes been the difference.

Now, lets take a look at Tinsley for a second---

You might say to yourself "Why, Mr. SportsFan88, he is shooting just 32% from the field!"

As accurate as this may be, he also takes just 3 to 4 shots per game, with an average of 19 minutes played.

Let's break this down for arguments sakes.

Tinsley averages 5.0 APG currently. He has always been known more for his cutting ability than he has for his jumper. Because of this, teams tend to sag off when he floats around the perimeter. This creates an issue for Utah, who relies mostly on their bigs to put up the points.

On a team like the Knicks, where we have Carmelo, Novak, JR, Kidd and Copeland lurking beyond the arc, it certainly isn't absurd to suggest that Tinsley might average 6 or 7 APG in approximately the same minutes.

When given a decent opportunity this season, Tinsley has posted highs of 14, 11 and 12 assists.

He wont post nearly the same scoring average as Felton, but he also won't miss nearly as many shots.

Again, I'm not suggesting he is a long term fix, but I do believe is an above average, very pass first PG. Kidd can take over for the time being, with Tinsley providing additional veteran help off of the bench.

I can see 4 PPG 6.5 APG in about 18-20 MPG, and he is extremely low risk.

As one of the last players off the Utah bench, he will also come at a real cheap price.

I think we should do it.

SportsFan88 · Post #54 » by **SportsFan88** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:09 am

Oh, would you look at tonights stats...

Did I mention Tinsley (starting) had 8 Points (3-7 shooting) 11 Assists and 2 Steals in just 27 minutes, playing directly opposite of Chris Paul and the LA Clippers?

And only because Mo Williams is hurt.

I've always liked JT's game (as you may have already noticed). I want him in blue and orange.

Governor Dudley · Post #55 » by **Governor Dudley** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:42 am

Lmao@jamaal tinsley

This board never changes.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

StephNYKurry · Post #56 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:56 am

SportsFan88 wrote:Jamaal Tinsley:

Now, before you get all crazy on me, let me just clarify a few things.

I'm not saying Tinsley should be our starting PG...not by any means.

As a backup, however, he is an awesome floor general.

Felton has been an above average guard for us this season, but his poor shooting has killed us on a lot of nights.

I really like Felton. I like how active he is on the floor, and I like his improved defense, however... I've always felt he would make a much better PG if he took 3 or 4 less shots a game, and showed more patience with his selection. Too often I find him wildly driving towards the hoop and chucking up absolute duds in critical situations. There have been quite a few times this year where we have lost by a small margin, and Felton has shot 5 of 20 from the field. That poor shooting has sometimes been the difference.

Now, lets take a look at Tinsley for a second---

You might say to yourself "Why, Mr. SportsFan88, he is shooting just 32% from the field!"

As accurate as this may be, he also takes just 3 to 4 shots per game, with an average of 19 minutes played.

Let's break this down for arguments sakes.

Tinsley averages 5.0 APG currently. He has always been known more for his cutting ability than he has for his jumper. Because of this, teams tend to sag off when he floats around the perimeter. This creates an issue for Utah, who relies mostly on their bigs to put up the points.

On a team like the Knicks, where we have Carmelo, Novak, JR, Kidd and Copeland lurking beyond the arc, it certainly isn't absurd to suggest that Tinsley might average 6 or 7 APG in approximately the same minutes.

When given a decent opportunity this season, Tinsley has posted highs of 14, 11 and 12 assists.

He wont post nearly the same scoring average as Felton, but he also won't miss nearly as many shots.

Again, I'm not suggesting he is a long term fix, but I do believe is an above average, very pass first PG. Kidd can take over for the time being, with Tinsley providing additional veteran help off of the bench.

I can see 4 PPG 6.5 APG in about 18-20 MPG, and he is extremely low risk.

As one of the last players off the Utah bench, he will also come at a real cheap price.

I think we should do it.

no

Massimo · Post #57 » by **Massimo** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:58 am

Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see what is the love for Lowry, dude can't shoot, and is an average playmaker.

Watch some other teams' games moderator.

Lowry with his basketball IQ is probably 5-6 times better than Chucker Felton.

SportsFan88 · Post #58 » by **SportsFan88** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:19 am

Wow, really.

The response to my legitimately in-depth post is "Lmao" and "no"?

Any insight on these statements, or are we going to magically acquire some incredible PG like Rondo.

Let's be realistic at least.

Wolfgang · Post #59 » by **Wolfgang** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:36 am

Are people afraid this team can't win a championship without a better PG?

KingzAndQueenz · Post #60 » by **KingzAndQueenz** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:58 am

SportsFan88 wrote:Wow, really.

The response to my legitimately in-depth post is "Lmao" and "no"?

Any insight on these statements, or are we going to magically acquire some incredible PG like Rondo.

Let's be realistic at least.

I personally think our PG when healthy are fine, but I agree with you that Tinsley can dish very very well. He would be a nice backup for the team. Why would they trade him though?