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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#41 » by Fat Kat » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:48 pm

My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#42 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:54 pm

Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.

I honestly blame D'Anotni for a lot of that

it always annoyed the hell out of me when Phx would allow a layup instead of challenging a shot because they figured they could outdo it on offense

Amare not only was not asked to play D but he was encouraged not to so to avoid fouls and play too many mins
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#43 » by aromeoj » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:57 pm

Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.



It actually is the exact opposite...the guy probably puts forth the most effort on the team sans Shumpert. But he doesn't have the Basketball IQ. His athleticism is what carried him while he was in Pheonix and what carried him during his spurt with us during his first year with the Knicks.

Problem is now is all of the defensive problems he has and understanding where to be on the floor on the offense...for him early in his career it was set the pick and roll to the basket for the dunk or the alley-oop. Now its go to the top of the key receive a pass instinctively know where to go next with a pass or cut and he doesn't have this.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#44 » by GONYK » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:00 pm

Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.


I've never really seen an effort problem with Amare. He's not lazy, he just genuinely doesn't understand what he's supposed to be doing at certain moments.

A lot of the things people knock Amare for as effort things are IQ things. I don't think he's as malicious as people paint him out to be.
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Post#45 » by F N 11 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:02 pm

Thanks, I had fun reading that post and getting such great insight. Love what Acy brings.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#46 » by K_ick_God » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:07 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.


I've never really seen an effort problem with Amare. He's not lazy, he just genuinely doesn't understand what he's supposed to be doing at certain moments.

A lot of the things people knock Amare for as effort things are IQ things. I don't think he's as malicious as people paint him out to be.


I think it's somewhere in the middle. It's not malicious per se. But his motor is terrible on the defensive end because ultimately he just doesn't really care about that end as much as he should. It's not like it's a conscious effort to say I'm going to take this play off, but it does speak to his underlying motivation.

There are moments where he just gives in and stops moving. If he really valued defense or winning as much as he should, or just understood how those things go together at a deeper level other than uttering platitudes, he probably would have more energy defensively.

His motor is fine offensively -- so it's not just lack of IQ in general. It's a bit more than that.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#47 » by Fat Kat » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:07 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.


I've never really seen an effort problem with Amare. He's not lazy, he just genuinely doesn't understand what he's supposed to be doing at certain moments.

A lot of the things people knock Amare for as effort things are IQ things. I don't think he's as malicious as people paint him out to be.


I guess I'm the only one that sees rebounds drop 3 feet away from the man without him bothering to try to get them. Amare is full of ****. He likes to work out and play offense. True effort is seen on the defensive end and in fighting for loose balls. The whole "I've never been taught defense" act is also malarkey. He thinks that he's above certain aspects of the game. It's glaringly obvious.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#48 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:11 pm

Things happen on the court fast. The greats can see things before they even happen. Amare doesn’t see things until 5 seconds after they happen then doesn’t react until 5 seconds after that. His defensive awareness/instincts are just bad. Theres really no teaching that at this point.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#49 » by YouthMovement » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.

I honestly blame D'Anotni for a lot of that

it always annoyed the hell out of me when Phx would allow a layup instead of challenging a shot because they figured they could outdo it on offense

Amare not only was not asked to play D but he was encouraged not to so to avoid fouls and play too many mins


you blame D'antoni? Amar'e is a grown man who's had several coaches in his basketball career.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#50 » by GONYK » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:16 pm

KnicksGod wrote:I think it's somewhere in the middle. It's not malicious per se. But his motor is terrible on the defensive end because ultimately he just doesn't really care about that end as much as he should. It's not like it's a conscious effort to say I'm going to take this play off, but it does speak to his underlying motivation.

There are moments where he just gives in and stops moving. If he really valued defense or winning as much as he should, or just understood how those things go together at a deeper level other than uttering platitudes, he probably would have more energy defensively.

His motor is fine offensively -- so it's not just lack of IQ in general. It's a bit more than that.


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I guess I'm the only one that sees rebounds drop 3 feet away from the man without him bothering to try to get them. Amare is full of ****. He likes to work out and play offense. True effort is seen on the defensive end and in fighting for loose balls. The whole "I've never been taught defense" act is also malarkey. He thinks that he's above certain aspects of the game. It's glaringly obvious.


Amare has had plenty of moments this preseason where he has just not taken the extra step or made the extra effort. I can easily see that, but I don't know how harshly to judge the guy for not laying out in preseason with his injury history.

I'm not pretending that he's bringing Russell Westbrook intensity to the game, but I don't think the majority of his dunce moments are due to simply not caring or not giving effort. I think, more often than not, he is just processing what is going on around him a half second too late.

You can see it sometimes, that he's just not tracking the ball correctly or has no idea that the rotation was his responsibility. I admit that it is embarrassing for a vet like Amare to have 2nd year players telling him where he should be on a play, but I don't think it's out of sheer laziness.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#51 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:18 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Things happen on the court fast. The greats can see things before they even happen. Amare doesn’t see things until 5 seconds after they happen then doesn’t react until 5 seconds after that. His defensive awareness/instincts are just bad. Theres really no teaching that at this point.


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Post#52 » by berkkobe7 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:24 pm

You guys forgot we have a sore vagina and tore brain in Bargnani.


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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#53 » by Capn'O » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:33 pm

QMFAB wrote:No I didn’t plan on coming here to start,’’ Acy told The Post with a chuckle. “I planned on coming here and playing hard to earn minutes. I guess I impressed enough with my defense to earn a spot. I don’t know what coach got going if I’m starting or coming off the bench or not playing, but I’ll be happy."


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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#54 » by Fat Kat » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:34 pm

Amare tracks that damn ball pretty good on the offensive end. I guess he only lacks awareness on one end of the floor. It's crazy how people have bought into this crap.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#55 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:35 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.


I've never really seen an effort problem with Amare. He's not lazy, he just genuinely doesn't understand what he's supposed to be doing at certain moments.

A lot of the things people knock Amare for as effort things are IQ things. I don't think he's as malicious as people paint him out to be.


I guess I'm the only one that sees rebounds drop 3 feet away from the man without him bothering to try to get them. Amare is full of ****. He likes to work out and play offense. True effort is seen on the defensive end and in fighting for loose balls. The whole "I've never been taught defense" act is also malarkey. He thinks that he's above certain aspects of the game. It's glaringly obvious.

You aren't that was my biggest gripe w/him vs. TO.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#56 » by Lord Commander » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:43 pm

aromeoj wrote:- The one thing I noticed and have not really been able to see was the transition D out of the Triangle offense. This is also a key point of the offense because it does not allow teams to get out on the break. I am not sure if it was certain sets on offense (Stoudemire, Larkin v. Shump, Calderon) but when Stoudemire and Larkin were in the offense was horrible and the sixers were getting fast break points. Sixers scored 27 fast break points in the game and again I think that they were mostly against the Stoudemire and Larkin rotation.



Awesome post...thanks. I never considered this about the Triangle.
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#57 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:47 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:My biggest beef with Stat is his lack of effort. If Fisher lets him get away with a lazy effort, he runs the risk of losing the locker room.

I honestly blame D'Anotni for a lot of that

it always annoyed the hell out of me when Phx would allow a layup instead of challenging a shot because they figured they could outdo it on offense

Amare not only was not asked to play D but he was encouraged not to so to avoid fouls and play too many mins


you blame D'antoni? Amar'e is a grown man who's had several coaches in his basketball career.

yes he needs to move on and be a smarter, better, more complete basketball player

but in truth he was little more than a child when he came into the NBA and he played under D'Antoni almost his entire career
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#58 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:58 pm

Fat Kat wrote:Amare tracks that damn ball pretty good on the offensive end. I guess he only lacks awareness on one end of the floor. It's crazy how people have bought into this crap.


he only has eyes for the basket. He has a great instinct on the pick n roll or finishing towards the basket, but really doesn't have a good awareness on offense in terms of where everyone else is on the floor for passing or recognizing the double team or anticipating certain things. He just doesn't see the entire floor well.

Its a skill that some people have and others just don't have.
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Post#59 » by rajajackal » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:10 pm

i know it's rewarding bad behavior, and we shouldn't have to do it, but as long as amar'e is under contract with the new york knicks, we should do what's best for both parties. giving him his start impacts his rhythm like night and day. it also keeps him and bargnani off the floor at the same time, as well as keeping him supported by the team's best players while he is playing
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Re: Acy and the Knicks 

Post#60 » by Johnny Hoops » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:11 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Who is not liking Acy?



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