Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[moocow007]

at the end of the day none of us are in the gym working these guys out. We are simply going off of what we have seen and our personal preferences.

I would pick Mudiay based off of upside but for example what if he absolutely tanks his workout for us? And Winslow kills it. I'm just curious, we aren't seeing any this first hand so really no one knows.

Ultimately it's up to Phil Jackson and his team to pick the best man remaining when their picks comes up.

But...assuming nothing in any workout greatly improves or damages any of these players it would make little sense to be to take a short SF with an average wingspan that is considered to have a slow release on his shot (which could be an issue in the NBA). Yes, he can dunk if given a open path and he defends well but what he has the trappings for is a role player in the NBA. At least from my POV.

[Sark]

Draft just went from a 4 star draft to a 3 star draft. We're getting stuck with a role player instead of a franchise player because Fisher wasn't with team tank.

[moocow007]

Mudiay workouts are starting soon. He's a Laker fan? Hopefully he can do something to convince them to pick him and we end up with a big.

Honestly, I think we're going to end up with Russell when all's said and done.

[Thorn]

melo controls draftexpress ?

No, he controls...

Melo is the new Starbury? Remember when folks used to blame Marbury for everything and not just bad things that happen specifically for the Knicks?

LOL I do indeed... Melo inherited that burden apparently.

[knickstape21]

Hilarious responses.

Like you guys know who's going to be great and who's going to be role players lol.

I can't wait to draft him!

[DrCoach]

Exactly where he belongs for a player who struggles with shooting the ball and shooting free throws...The CBA makes a lot of people look like stars...Including Marbury...just my thoughts

Mudiay was the #1 HS prospect before the CBA

Don't care.

Wasnt talking to you, but thanks for your productive input

[NOOB77]

LOL Draft Express

[CoolKids]

Mudiay workouts are starting soon. He's a Laker fan? Hopefully he can do something to convince them to pick him and we end up with a big.

Honestly, I think we're going to end up with Russell when all's said and done.

no way Philly passes on Russell

[knickstape21]

The Knicks have $27-30 million to find role players that can help win basketball games.

I give up.

You guys just don't want a warrior in NY it's unbelievable. So much energy and heart and you mofos want freaking Porzingis over him. UNBELIEVABLE!

At 4th overall with the lack of any semblance of top flight talent or potential on this team (besides a 30 year old Carmelo Anthony)? No, I don't want a warrior role player. I can probably package Tim Hardaway and some portion of $3 million to buy a pick later in the draft and take Montrezl Harrel if I want a guy that I can dress up as a warrior of a role player.

Awesome stuff guys. Keep it coming!

[mpharris36]

at the end of the day none of us are in the gym working these guys out. We are simply going off of what we have seen and our personal preferences.

I would pick Mudiay based off of upside but for example what if he absolutely tanks his workout for us? And Winslow kills it. I'm just curious, we aren't seeing any this first hand so really no one knows.

Ultimately it's up to Phil Jackson and his team to pick the best man remaining when their picks comes up.

But...assuming nothing in any workout greatly improves or damages any of these players it would make little sense to be to take a short SF with an average wingspan that is considered to have a slow release on his shot (which could be an issue in the NBA). Yes, he can dunk if given a open path and he defends well but what he has the trappings for is a role player in the NBA. At least from my POV.

ultimately it is up to Phil. And you would have to assume someone in the game for that long should be able to make a sound decision based on multiple of factors.

I like Winslow more than you do because I see a competitor that is willing to put in the time to get better. Just like people didn't take that into account when Jimmy Butler was drafted. You want the gym rats and if winslow can improve that jumper to be a weapon he has a chance to be much more than a role player. He obviously has his strengths, nba body/athleticism and he can defend 3 positions right now in the NBA.

I still tend to lean with Mudiay (if he is there at 4) just off pure potential and ceiling. Obviously if OK4 or Russell for some reason drops as well them as well. But I wouldn't be upset with Winslow (I could stomach it knowing he had to do some impressing and improvement over the summer) to warrant that pick.

[moocow007]

I give up.

You guys just don't want a warrior in NY it's unbelievable. So much energy and heart and you mofos want freaking Porzingis over him. UNBELIEVABLE!

At 4th overall with the lack of any semblance of top flight talent or potential on this team (besides a 30 year old Carmelo Anthony)? No, I don't want a warrior role player. I can probably package Tim Hardaway and some portion of $3 million to buy a pick later in the draft and take Montrezl Harrel if I want a guy that I can dress up as a warrior of a role player.

Awesome stuff guys. Keep it coming!

And Winslow is not a role player because? You really really really really want him not to be? Harrell is currently projected to be 23rd in the draft. Teams have bought late 1st round picks for $3 million. Hardaway can still be viewed as an asset to some teams. So what are you chuckling about? That Harrell isn't a "warrior" or that a late 1st can't be bought?

You should try harder.

[Crunch time 1]

Winslow will be good stop it. I don't know about Mudaiy never seen him play or the two euro players. But I have seen Winslow and I think he will be good.

[moocow007]

at the end of the day none of us are in the gym working these guys out. We are simply going off of what we have seen and our personal preferences.

I would pick Mudiay based off of upside but for example what if he absolutely tanks his workout for us? And Winslow kills it. I'm just curious, we aren't seeing any this first hand so really no one knows.

Ultimately it's up to Phil Jackson and his team to pick the best man remaining when their picks comes up.

But...assuming nothing in any workout greatly improves or damages any of these players it would make little sense to be to take a short SF with an average wingspan that is considered to have a slow release on his shot (which could be an issue in the NBA). Yes, he can dunk if given a open path and he defends well but what he has the trappings for is a role player in the NBA. At least from my POV.

ultimately it is up to Phil. And you would have to assume someone in the game for that long should be able to make a sound decision based on multiple of factors.

I like Winslow more than you do because I see a competitor that is willing to put in the time to get better. Just like people didn't take that into account when Jimmy Butler was drafted. You want the gym rats and if winslow can improve that jumper to be a weapon he has a chance to be much more than a role player. He obviously has his strengths, nba body/athleticism and he can defend 3 positions right now in the NBA.

I still tend to lean with Mudiay (if he is there at 4) just off pure potential and ceiling. Obviously if OK4 or Russell for some reason drops as well them as well. But I wouldn't be upset with Winslow (I could stomach it knowing he had to do some impressing and improvement over the summer) to warrant that pick.

So should we be interested in Montrezl Harrell as well? There's no bigger competitor in college basketball than Harrell. Harrell is a warrior and he's a gym rat extraordinaire.

[moocow007]

Winslow will be good stop it. I don't know about Mudaiy never seen him play or the two euro players. But I have seen Winslow and I think he will be good.

If the Knicks weren't picking 4th overall and was picking later then absolutely he should be considered because he could be a good player. But the Knicks are picking 4th. They need to end up with more than good. You guys are missing that part (the picking 4th part). Folks aren't saying that he's no good. They are saying that he shouldn't be drafted 4th cause they see him more as a role player in the NBA.

[Jeff Van Gully]

at the end of the day none of us are in the gym working these guys out. We are simply going off of what we have seen and our personal preferences.

I would pick Mudiay based off of upside but for example what if he absolutely tanks his workout for us? And Winslow kills it. I'm just curious, we aren't seeing any this first hand so really no one knows.

too... much... common... sense...

must... stop... reading!

[knickstape21]

At 4th overall with the lack of any semblance of top flight talent or potential on this team (besides a 30 year old Carmelo Anthony)? No, I don't want a warrior role player. I can probably package Tim Hardaway and some portion of $3 million to buy a pick later in the draft and take Montrezl Harrel if I want a guy that I can dress up as a warrior of a role player.

Awesome stuff guys. Keep it coming!

And Winslow is not a role player because? You really really really really want him not to be? Harrell is currently projected to be 23rd in the draft. Teams have bought late 1st round picks for $3 million. Hardaway can still be viewed as an asset to some teams. So what are you chuckling about? That Harrell isn't a "warrior" or that a late 1st can't be bought?

You should try harder.

Keep it coming man.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Draft just went from a 4 star draft to a 3 star draft. We're getting stuck with a role player instead of a franchise player because Fisher wasn't with team tank.

or didn't win enough games?

[mpharris36]

So should we be interested in Montrezl Harrell as well? There's no bigger competitor in college basketball than Harrell. Harrell is a warrior and he's a gym rat extraordinaire.

there is a difference of talent though. Of course you just don't take "hard workers". You have to obviously have a combination of both talent to be picked that high and potential.

I mean there is a reason Winslow is mocked to be a 4 to 7 guy in most drafts and Harrell is mocked to be in the early to mid 20's in most mocks.

Scouts and talent evaluators must see a large talent jump between the two, you don't? I don't think its fair to compare those too talent wise (and that is no knock on Harrell) I just think Winslow has more talent then you are suggesting. Enough to crack the top 5? That has yet to be determined. But "role" player is pretty harsh for him.

[poeman]

Guys dont underestimate the 76ers...They like to go off base at times with weird ass selections.

Would not surprise me if they took the Euro

[GONYK]

So should we be interested in Montrezl Harrell as well? There's no bigger competitor in college basketball than Harrell. Harrell is a warrior and he's a gym rat extraordinaire.

there is a difference of talent though. Of course you just don't take "hard workers". You have to obviously have a combination of both talent to be picked that high and potential.

I mean there is a reason Winslow is mocked to be a 4 to 7 guy in most drafts and Harrell is mocked to be in the early to mid 20's in most mocks.

Scouts and talent evaluators must see a large talent jump between the two, you don't? I don't think its fair to compare those too talent wise (and that is no knock on Harrell) I just think Winslow has more talent then you are suggesting. Enough to crack the top 5? That has yet to be determined. But "role" player is pretty harsh for him.

If you're not a star though, you're basically on the spectrum of a role player. I don't think it is harsh to project Winslow as such.

I do agree that he is more skilled and projects to have more of an impact than someone like Harrell though.