We are a wolfpack and here to help (Discussion Thread)

[CJackson]

Mack Heath's back in towwwwwwwwwwwn!

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[BKlutch]

Mack Heath's back in towwwwwwwwwwwn!

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Mack, er, Harthorne is back!

[NYKAL]

You guys do a great job and your efforts are appreciated. I moderated a Jets board and didn't enjoy it one bit. It takes an even tempered individual and the Knicks moderators are the best I've seen.

Now someone tell me what happened to my homie Wingo dammit.

I think he went to the GB. Those mods over there are.....(fill in the blank)

[NBA Fan 1234]

You guys do a great job and your efforts are appreciated. I moderated a Jets board and didn't enjoy it one bit. It takes an even tempered individual and the Knicks moderators are the best I've seen.

Now someone tell me what happened to my homie Wingo dammit.

I think he went to the GB. Those mods over there are.....(fill in the blank)

Went to the Current Affairs board, which has a different set of rules than the Knicks forum, GB, Off Topic Forum, etc.

We WANT more Knicks fans posting on the GB. Myself, Mags, and Moo all mod there as well. The more Knicks fans that post there and report baiting / trolling posts, the better it is for everyone.

[NYKAL]

You guys do a great job and your efforts are appreciated. I moderated a Jets board and didn't enjoy it one bit. It takes an even tempered individual and the Knicks moderators are the best I've seen.

Now someone tell me what happened to my homie Wingo dammit.

I think he went to the GB. Those mods over there are.....(fill in the blank)

Went to the Current Affairs board, which has a different set of rules than the Knicks forum, GB, Off Topic Forum, etc.

We WANT more Knicks fans posting on the GB. Myself, Mags, and Moo all mod there as well. The more Knicks fans that post there and report baiting / trolling posts, the better it is for everyone.

Got myself banned for Defending my beloved Knicks. Not interested in trying to get it lifted. The Dark force is just too strong over there. Jedi's beware.

[Im Coming Home]

My thing is, the advice given is basically to 'ignore the bait' but that isn't a solution to me.. the GB is allowed to constantly trash us and post bait and troll comments. (I don't agree that **** on the Knicks but not generalizing our fanbase/personal attacking = discussion either) I know we should 'ignore the bait' and a lot of us, myself included, have gotten GB muted due to not ignoring bait in the past.. but bait posts shouldn't be allowed. I think it should be more in the lines of, if you **** on the Knicks, but have no argument to back it up, or its pure non-sense logic, you should get a warning.. but as it is right now, you can post 'LOL KNICKS' in a Knicks thread on the GB and get like 40 and1s..

I know its a 2-way street, but I just don't see why the baiting should be allowed, and my baiting definition may be a bit bigger than the GB's unfortunately.

[Im Coming Home]

I think he went to the GB. Those mods over there are.....(fill in the blank)

Went to the Current Affairs board, which has a different set of rules than the Knicks forum, GB, Off Topic Forum, etc.

We WANT more Knicks fans posting on the GB. Myself, Mags, and Moo all mod there as well. The more Knicks fans that post there and report baiting / trolling posts, the better it is for everyone.

Got myself banned for Defending my beloved Knicks. Not interested in trying to get it lifted. The Dark force is just too strong over there. Jedi's beware.

Same here man, I have considered trying to get mine lifted but I know its for my own good because I'd likely just end of getting introuble on the GB again if I was unmuted/unbanned from it.

[magnumt]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1468436

--Mags

[Capn'O]

My thing is, the advice given is basically to 'ignore the bait' but that isn't a solution to me.. the GB is allowed to constantly trash us and post bait and troll comments. (I don't agree that **** on the Knicks but not generalizing our fanbase/personal attacking = discussion either) I know we should 'ignore the bait' and a lot of us, myself included, have gotten GB muted due to not ignoring bait in the past.. but bait posts shouldn't be allowed. I think it should be more in the lines of, if you **** on the Knicks, but have no argument to back it up, or its pure non-sense logic, you should get a warning.. but as it is right now, you can post 'LOL KNICKS' in a Knicks thread on the GB and get like 40 and1s..

I know its a 2-way street, but I just don't see why the baiting should be allowed, and my baiting definition may be a bit bigger than the GB's unfortunately.

The advice is actually "report the bait instead of responding to it."

And they are not allowed. But it's very hard to monitor on a forum where the threads move so quickly. If the bait is not reported, in all likelihood it won't be dealt with.

I'm telling you - from somebody who just switched sides of the pond - I see reports. I don't necessarily see what started it all.

[Im Coming Home]

My thing is, the advice given is basically to 'ignore the bait' but that isn't a solution to me.. the GB is allowed to constantly trash us and post bait and troll comments. (I don't agree that **** on the Knicks but not generalizing our fanbase/personal attacking = discussion either) I know we should 'ignore the bait' and a lot of us, myself included, have gotten GB muted due to not ignoring bait in the past.. but bait posts shouldn't be allowed. I think it should be more in the lines of, if you **** on the Knicks, but have no argument to back it up, or its pure non-sense logic, you should get a warning.. but as it is right now, you can post 'LOL KNICKS' in a Knicks thread on the GB and get like 40 and1s..

I know its a 2-way street, but I just don't see why the baiting should be allowed, and my baiting definition may be a bit bigger than the GB's unfortunately.

The advice is actually "report the bait instead of responding to it."

And they are not allowed. But it's very hard to monitor on a forum where the threads move so quickly. If the bait is not reported, in all likelihood it won't be dealt with.

I'm telling you - from somebody who just switched sides of the pond - I see reports. I don't necessarily see what started it all.

I'll try to keep that in mind, I just don't know how much it will help because what we may see as obvious baiting/trolling, in the GBs eyes it may seem like a valid post/non-baiting post even though us Knicks fans may know otherwise.

I'm banned from the GB anyways, so it seems like a mute point at this point for me.

[Capn'O]

Also - each forum has a report log. So if big problems crop up and posters are reporting the bait it helps us evaluate the system more wholly. We could even do thing like look back on the logs and say - "look, there were so and so many reports logged on baiting the Knicks fanbase today. No wonder guys were so on edge." It helps us advocate if needed, but mostly helps the GB mods do their job.

[CJackson]

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[NYKAL]

my think is when I got banned..myself and others, MODS there were VERY aware of the baiting but, it was Knicks posters who got the axe. So, that said, no interested in subjecting myself to the little dik syndrome hate from the Gen board. Not our fault New York is so damn awesome and most everyone else had to bow down.

[aq_ua]

Philosophical question.

We were (presumably) raised to do the right thing. What the "right thing" is aside depending on your moral and ethical compass, that is a fundamental belief, perhaps even law - or further truth - that we all live by.

We also know as we grow older, wiser, and become involved in situations with greater complexity and vagueness vis-a-vis said moral and ethical compass, the ability to do the right thing and the accompanying pain associated with that action becomes steeper.

So I ask, particularly to our more experienced and knowledgable posters that have gone through tough decision making situations - has doing the right thing worked out for you in the long run? Or, in retrospect, has or would have acting more out of self interest, self preservation, and/or defending superficiality been a wiser smarter decision in the long run.

I can point to evidence that supports both extremes in my lifetime, but I don't know the ultimate outcome not the ultimate aggregation of these decisions over a longer lifespan.

[BKlutch]

Philosophical question.

We were (presumably) raised to do the right thing. What the "right thing" is aside depending on your moral and ethical compass, that is a fundamental belief, perhaps even law - or further truth - that we all live by.

We also know as we grow older, wiser, and become involved in situations with greater complexity and vagueness vis-a-vis said moral and ethical compass, the ability to do the right thing and the accompanying pain associated with that action becomes steeper.

So I ask, particularly to our more experienced and knowledgable posters that have gone through tough decision making situations - has doing the right thing worked out for you in the long run? Or, in retrospect, has or would have acting more out of self interest, self preservation, and/or defending superficiality been a wiser smarter decision in the long run.

I can point to evidence that supports both extremes in my lifetime, but I don't know the ultimate outcome not the ultimate aggregation of these decisions over a longer lifespan.

There's no doubt in my mind, at my ripe older age, that doing the right thing pays off eventually. Making a decision for a quick payoff, if it is not also the right moral decision, almost always has consequences, many of them unexpected and unforseen.

We are,essentially, what we repeatedly do. So I've been trying to do good (not well, good). I am a lot happier since I discovered this.

[Capn'O]

So I ask, particularly to our more experienced and knowledgable posters that have gone through tough decision making situations - has doing the right thing worked out for you in the long run? Or, in retrospect, has or would have acting more out of self interest, self preservation, and/or defending superficiality been a wiser smarter decision in the long run.

You know, very long books have been written on this exact subject.

"The right thing" is a moving target. I can think back to situations where, in retrospect, the action I viewed as selfish would have been the correct one. I.e. interpersonal struggles where I opted not to intervene to be the bigger person in preserving a relationship. In retrospect, occasionally taking a hard line or expressing the limits of my tolerance would have established proper boundaries and saved unneeded stress later on.

Overall, I would say that sticking to my principles while keeping those principles somewhat flexible to accommodate new experiences and information has worked the best for me. Over the long haul, people can sniff out a person that is acting out of self interest.

[CJackson]

So I ask, particularly to our more experienced and knowledgable posters that have gone through tough decision making situations - has doing the right thing worked out for you in the long run? Or, in retrospect, has or would have acting more out of self interest, self preservation, and/or defending superficiality been a wiser smarter decision in the long run.

You know, very long books have been written on this exact subject.

"The right thing" is a moving target. I can think back to situations where, in retrospect, the action I viewed as selfish would have been the correct one. I.e. interpersonal struggles where I opted not to intervene to be the bigger person in preserving a relationship. In retrospect, occasionally taking a hard line or expressing the limits of my tolerance would have established proper boundaries and saved unneeded stress later on.

Overall, I would say that sticking to my principles while keeping those principles somewhat flexible to accommodate new experiences and information has worked the best for me. Over the long haul, people can sniff out a person that is acting out of self interest.

Sometimes the desire to be accommodating facilitates those who wish to take whatever they can get.

[aq_ua]

So I ask, particularly to our more experienced and knowledgable posters that have gone through tough decision making situations - has doing the right thing worked out for you in the long run? Or, in retrospect, has or would have acting more out of self interest, self preservation, and/or defending superficiality been a wiser smarter decision in the long run.

You know, very long books have been written on this exact subject.

"The right thing" is a moving target. I can think back to situations where, in retrospect, the action I viewed as selfish would have been the correct one. I.e. interpersonal struggles where I opted not to intervene to be the bigger person in preserving a relationship. In retrospect, occasionally taking a hard line or expressing the limits of my tolerance would have established proper boundaries and saved unneeded stress later on.

Overall, I would say that sticking to my principles while keeping those principles somewhat flexible to accommodate new experiences and information has worked the best for me. Over the long haul, people can sniff out a person that is acting out of self interest.

Right, the struggle inevitably arises when you feel a moral obligation to protect one interest while having a self-interest at conflict, which can even shift over time.

I also agree with your point that new experiences and information can better inform judgement, but I wonder if it informs potential outcomes (what you can and can't get away with) rather than honing in what your principles should be (which in theory should waver less and less).

I take solace in knowing that others have struggled through the same and this is more a journey of understanding than a destination, so thank you to all that contributed.

[tsherkin]

I will say this. With respect to the GB, and the PC Board: be smart. When indignation or anger rule your response, you're very likely to get owned for making a TOS infraction.

It is often difficult to be the bigger man, to let an insult/bait lie in favor of saying something more sedate. You don't gain from being incendiary on those boards, and whether or not you were baited into it is not considered when we levy warnings (explicitly, by policy). It is much more to your advantage to go get a glass of water to relax, then to report the post. We see reports clearly. It's often much harder to see what comes before, and obvious baiting posts (even in response to something else) are easy targets.

Don't be an easy target. If someone's pissing you off by baiting the fanbase (legitimately), just report it. We'll take care of it. If I don't hit it, magz or KT will get to it... or someone else will find it. No one cares WHO is being a dick, we're just dedicated to stopping people from being jerks to anyone. That's the job. Let us help you. If you don't want to listen to me, fine, but put your faith in your local mods: magz and KT are strong mods, very good at looking for douchebaggery and hounding it.

[DrCoach]

[EDIT: Please don't call out other Mods in this x Thread. Voice your concerns in a constructive way

Your best bet is to stay on the Knick Forum where the Mods are awesome, sadly , I can't say the same for other forums.

It's no coincidence that the Knick Board is the best, Kudos to the Mods here