The Official Treyverson Thread

[Capn'O]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't disagree with anything in this post but am feeling a little salty about spilt milk reading it. That Timmy deal was so insane.

[Polk377]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't think there is any need to rush Frank into the starting lineup just yet. Frank is a long play move that takes time and patience. He has the potential to be very good/great but they need to take it one step at a time with him.

Trey and Tim are a natural fit together. They have great chemistry with one another and there is no doubt that Tim shoots better with Trey in the game. Lets ride it out and see what happens.

[Clyde_Style]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't disagree with anything in this post but am feeling a little salty about spilt milk reading it. That Timmy deal was so insane.

We all were feeling ourselves for a moment early in the season when KP was in super nova mode and Tim was pouring in his points as the second option, but the vast difference between players was exposed since then. The team is shite without KP's paint presence on defense. Timmy could score 40 points and still be a revolving door on defense. That's why a guy like Frank matters so much. You just cannot win games in this league without shutting down the other team no matter how wet your offense is some nights.

So Tim was definitely a mistake, because the guy is never going to add up on both ends of the floor.

A fine team should never have any less than three two-way players on the floor at the same time. Ideally, everyone is a defensive minded player.

I suspect the zeitgeist is it is very hard to build a great defensive team these days because most player just don't care. They want to score points. The talent is there, but not the will or desire.

I'm tired of players like Timmy, because he is a bench player on a contender, not a starter even if he averages 18+ a game. Frankly, he is not all that different than Melo at this point. The ball sticks to him less, but he is more or less just a shooter who is younger with the ability to drive. These guys are not worth what they are paid. Nobody should get over $10M anymore just because they can score. That's just not enough.

(sorry, its late and I'm passing out so not very concise)

[Clyde_Style]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't think there is any need to rush Frank into the starting lineup just yet. Frank is a long play move that takes time and patience. He has the potential to be very good/great but they need to take it one step at a time with him.

Trey and Tim are a natural fit together. They have great chemistry with one another and there is no doubt that Tim shoots better with Trey in the game. Lets ride it out and see what happens.

Trey and Tim are a backcourt that will get mauled by the best teams, absolutely savaged. They are not a good defensive backcourt.

There's nothing to shield Frank from though so whether he starts or not is not rushing, just a matter of dynamics.

[KnicksGadfly]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't disagree with anything in this post but am feeling a little salty about spilt milk reading it. That Timmy deal was so insane.

Most people knew it too. What's worse are the posters who defended it. Anyway, no choice now but to root for Timmy and hope he earns it.

[Polk377]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't think there is any need to rush Frank into the starting lineup just yet. Frank is a long play move that takes time and patience. He has the potential to be very good/great but they need to take it one step at a time with him.

Trey and Tim are a natural fit together. They have great chemistry with one another and there is no doubt that Tim shoots better with Trey in the game. Lets ride it out and see what happens.

Trey and Tim are a backcourt that will get mauled by the best teams, absolutely savaged. They are not a good defensive backcourt.

There's nothing to shield Frank from though so whether he starts or not is not rushing, just a matter of dynamics.

I don't think they get mauled. Both do a decent job on the perimeter and having KP back helps the interior defense in case their man gets by them.

I don't mind Frank starting but at the moment he is a bench player. He needs to be more consistent as a scoring threat in order to get the bulk of the minutes. Lets see if he puts the work in this off season and what he looks like next year.

[earthmansurfer]

I don't think there is any need to rush Frank into the starting lineup just yet. Frank is a long play move that takes time and patience. He has the potential to be very good/great but they need to take it one step at a time with him.

Trey and Tim are a natural fit together. They have great chemistry with one another and there is no doubt that Tim shoots better with Trey in the game. Lets ride it out and see what happens.

Trey and Tim are a backcourt that will get mauled by the best teams, absolutely savaged. They are not a good defensive backcourt.

There's nothing to shield Frank from though so whether he starts or not is not rushing, just a matter of dynamics.

I don't think they get mauled. Both do a decent job on the perimeter and having KP back helps the interior defense in case their man gets by them.

I don't mind Frank starting but at the moment he is a bench player. He needs to be more consistent as a scoring threat in order to get the bulk of the minutes. Lets see if he puts the work in this off season and what he looks like next year.

Two sides of the same coin, Frank‘s lack of offense and Timmy‘s lack of defense. If Frank is a bench player right now, then we can argue the same for Timmy.

What Clyde said (at a minimum) - we need 3 two way players in our lineup. If we are to compete with Boston and Philly, my bet is a staring lineup of FIVE two way players gives us better than a chance.

[Fat]

A backup point guard standing out because the rest of the team is booty. please dont make this our starting point guard for the future, hist best role is a 6th man spark.

[Fat]

Timmy/Trey off the bench would be an ideal situation.. neither guy i want to see starting next year unless there filling in because of an injury

[Adelheid]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't think there is any need to rush Frank into the starting lineup just yet. Frank is a long play move that takes time and patience. He has the potential to be very good/great but they need to take it one step at a time with him.

Trey and Tim are a natural fit together. They have great chemistry with one another and there is no doubt that Tim shoots better with Trey in the game. Lets ride it out and see what happens.

Trey and Tim are a backcourt that will get mauled by the best teams, absolutely savaged. They are not a good defensive backcourt.

There's nothing to shield Frank from though so whether he starts or not is not rushing, just a matter of dynamics.

Trey-Frank is just a better combo than Trey-Tim. Trey is a heavy scorer of a pg with sub-mediocre/mediocre D and Timmy is pretty crap on defense while not exactly being a good example of a decently efficient scorer. Took too long for Hornacek to realize something that can be perceived and was somewhat evident months ago. Too slow of a coach.

[PeoplesChamp]

he looks like a starting NBA PG to me

I dont know who the bench guard is, Timmy or Frank, but the way Burke is looking he's likely the starter

timmy is the 6th man. start burke with frank

Yep.
Trade Timmy

Not with his contract. Most trades would only bring back a worse contract.

[PeoplesChamp]

Treyverson is the first decent knickname I’ve seen on here.

[thebuzzardman]

With Burke playing this well he may be the starting PG next year

and that means

you can't have a starting backcourt of Trey and Tim

Frank has to start next to Trey to have any kind of defensive presence to start the games.

I don't disagree with anything in this post but am feeling a little salty about spilt milk reading it. That Timmy deal was so insane.

We all were feeling ourselves for a moment early in the season when KP was in super nova mode and Tim was pouring in his points as the second option, but the vast difference between players was exposed since then. The team is **** without KP's paint presence on defense. Timmy could score 40 points and still be a revolving door on defense. That's why a guy like Frank matters so much. You just cannot win games in this league without shutting down the other team no matter how wet your offense is some nights.

So Tim was definitely a mistake, because the guy is never going to add up on both ends of the floor.

A fine team should never have any less than three two-way players on the floor at the same time. Ideally, everyone is a defensive minded player.

I suspect the zeitgeist is it is very hard to build a great defensive team these days because most player just don't care. They want to score points. The talent is there, but not the will or desire.

I'm tired of players like Timmy, because he is a bench player on a contender, not a starter even if he averages 18+ a game. Frankly, he is not all that different than Melo at this point. The ball sticks to him less, but he is more or less just a scorer who is younger with the ability to drive. These guys are not worth what they are paid. Nobody should get over $10M anymore just because they can score. That's just not enough.

(sorry, its late and I'm passing out so not very concise)

Fixed it for you. Shooters knock down shots consistently. Scorers not necessarily.

[thebuzzardman]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

A bit of the Mark Jackson vs Strictland debate is in the Frank vs Trey debate. At the least, the idea it's either or, for some people, is in there, when the smart idea would seem to be, at the least, keep and play both, and better yet, play them together.

Speaking of "seen this before", THJr\Trey is the new Crawford\Nate Robinson. Where both a scorers, redundant to a certain degree with each other, and occupying largely the same role on the team, with one a lot cheaper than the other. Obviously Trey is more disciplined than Nate and seems to possess better PG skills but the analogy works where it's a situation where you don't want both on the floor at once due to style of play - volume\usage oriented guys who both don't play a ton of defense.

I'm just getting like other posters making the same points over and over. Trey is 1/8th the cost and brings a similar but actually better game. Better shooter, better defender, better creator. THJr is taller. That's it.

[Fat Kat]

PG ranking per Hollinger

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

1. James Harden
2 Stephen Curry
3 Kyrie Irving
4 Damian Lillard
5 Russell Westbrook
6 Chris Paul
7 Trey Burke
8 Kemba Walker
9 Kyle Lowry
10 Ben Simmons

If he maintains this level of play, of course he's the starter. Good luck finding someone better.

[Kinglee]

PG ranking per Hollinger

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

1. James Harden
2 Stephen Curry
3 Kyrie Irving
4 Damian Lillard
5 Russell Westbrook
6 Chris Paul
7 Trey Burke
8 Kemba Walker
9 Kyle Lowry
10 Ben Simmons

If he maintains this level of play, of course he's the starter. Good luck finding someone better.

Damn that list is crazy. The point guard position is so stacked. Even when you get close to 50 you still see quality players such as Lonzo, Isiah, and George Hill.

Anyway, going against bad teams or not, fact remains this whole league goes against bad teams as well. Players across the league isn't doing what Trey is doing. People need to understand that. All of this "he isn't a starter" crap needs to stop. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but we don't have a PG on this team worth starting over him, nor are we going to get a quality starting pg in free agency that's better than him. We have the 9th pick most likely and there isn't a PG in that range we should draft that should start over him either.

Everyone needs to give Trey praise.

33.5 mpg
24 ppg
51 fg%
9 apg
1.5 spg
2 topg

If you not going to praise him for anything. Respect at how efficiently he scores and how many assist he get, as well as not turning the ball over. Like I've said numerous times, the dude doesn't waste possessions

[newyorker4ever]

https://dailyknicks.com/2018/04/01/new-york-knicks-trey-burke-player-week-mar-25-apr-1/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

New York Knicks: Trey Burke the Player of the Week (Mar. 25-Apr. 1)
by John Azzato3 hours agoFollow @john78515

Trey Burke had a breakout week for the New York Knicks. With this production, he gives the Knicks a possible long-term solution at point guard.
Trey Burke had a pretty dominant week for the New York Knicks. His ability to score, especially off the dribble, has given the Knicks a solid point guard presence.

He’s our player of the week for the week of Mar. 25 to April 1.

Scoring
The Knicks had four matchups this week, going up against the Washington Wizards, Charlotte Hornets, Philadelphia 76ers, and Detroit Pistons. With 19 points against the Wizards, 18 against the 76ers and Pistons, and 42 against the Hornets, he’s making the Knicks brass feel like they have a future big-time point guard.

This scoring clip seems even better when Burke hits a clutch lay up to seal the win against the Washington Wizards.


After finally receiving some minutes—seemingly deserved—Burke has put on a scoring barrage. If he can keep this up, the Knicks can finally find a solution to the point guard problem that’s existed for so many years.

Other Contributions
Burke was also able to add a combined 36 assists in the four games, with 12 of them coming against the Hornets and 15 against the Pistons. He recorded a double-double in both games.

One way Burke has been able to change the dynamic of this team and the offense is through his dribble drives and shot creation. As a smaller guard, you would think his ability to drive would be hindered due to that height disadvantage.

However, it seems to be a strength of his. He has enough finesse to be able to get the ball over bigger defenders, forcing defenders to collapse for kick-out passes that lead to open jumpers.

He also has a solid ability to create his own shots. One way he does this is off screen and roll switches. Whenever he has a big man switched on him, he makes a solid dribble move giving him an open midrange jump shot.

This ability gives the Knicks a solid isolation option when the offense gets in a rut.

We aren’t going to go with a runner-up for the New York Knicks this week. Let’s give Trey Burke the shine he deserves.

[fatalogic]

PG ranking per Hollinger

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

1. James Harden
2 Stephen Curry
3 Kyrie Irving
4 Damian Lillard
5 Russell Westbrook
6 Chris Paul
7 Trey Burke
8 Kemba Walker
9 Kyle Lowry
10 Ben Simmons

If he maintains this level of play, of course he's the starter. Good luck finding someone better.

Damn that list is crazy. The point guard position is so stacked. Even when you get close to 50 you still see quality players such as Lonzo, Isiah, and George Hill.

Anyway, going against bad teams or not, fact remains this whole league goes against bad teams as well. Players across the league isn't doing what Trey is doing. People need to understand that. All of this "he isn't a starter" crap needs to stop. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but we don't have a PG on this team worth starting over him, nor are we going to get a quality starting pg in free agency that's better than him. We have the 9th pick most likely and there isn't a PG in that range we should draft that should start over him either.

Everyone needs to give Trey praise.

33.5 mpg
24 ppg
51 fg%
9 apg
1.5 spg
2 topg

If you not going to praise him for anything. Respect at how efficiently he scores and how many assist he get, as well as not turning the ball over. Like I've said numerous times, the dude doesn't waste possessions

Some people are afraid the Knicks will do the Knicks thing and throw him a crazy contract.Trey for 12-14 mil a year I can live with but looking at the list the Knicks might want to throw him 20-25 mil. Then the fan will wonder why we can't get actual stars. Regardless of whether he plays up to the contract that's not how this business works. The Knicks love to buy high and sell low.

[Fat Kat]

PG ranking per Hollinger

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

1. James Harden
2 Stephen Curry
3 Kyrie Irving
4 Damian Lillard
5 Russell Westbrook
6 Chris Paul
7 Trey Burke
8 Kemba Walker
9 Kyle Lowry
10 Ben Simmons

If he maintains this level of play, of course he's the starter. Good luck finding someone better.

Damn that list is crazy. The point guard position is so stacked. Even when you get close to 50 you still see quality players such as Lonzo, Isiah, and George Hill.

Anyway, going against bad teams or not, fact remains this whole league goes against bad teams as well. Players across the league isn't doing what Trey is doing. People need to understand that. All of this "he isn't a starter" crap needs to stop. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but we don't have a PG on this team worth starting over him, nor are we going to get a quality starting pg in free agency that's better than him. We have the 9th pick most likely and there isn't a PG in that range we should draft that should start over him either.

Everyone needs to give Trey praise.

33.5 mpg
24 ppg
51 fg%
9 apg
1.5 spg
2 topg

If you not going to praise him for anything. Respect at how efficiently he scores and how many assist he get, as well as not turning the ball over. Like I've said numerous times, the dude doesn't waste possessions

Some people are afraid the Knicks will do the Knicks thing and throw him a crazy contract.Trey for 12-14 mil a year I can live with but looking at the list the Knicks might want to throw him 20-25 mil. Then the fan will wonder why we can't get actual stars. Regardless of whether he plays up to the contract that's not how this business works. The Knicks love to buy high and sell low.

Good thing is, he's signed through next season and we don't have to give him any real money until the season after. We should have a better idea of what he's worth next season.

[Mecca]

We have an entire year to watch Trey as our starting PG next year and have bird rights after that. I can’t believe we hit jack pot and people are still hating on Trey. This run has lasted longer than Linsanity. Trey is the best PG play we’ve had since Lin. Embrace our new PG. Trey/Frank back court 2K18