Fizdale Effect: Knicks With 5th Best Defense (even with Mario)!!!

[Capn'O]

Our halfcourt defense looks great. Boston's no slouch either.

We just can't score yet It's coming though with KP returning, Knox maturing, and good ol' Player X in the lotto.

Way too early to say we're good on defense

But not to early to say we played well on defense Actually impressive given the personnel as well.

I do think we look significantly better than last year, but we're definitely gonna drop off

Our achilles heel is the same as it's always been. We don't have good enough defenders to contain a simple 1-5 PnR, and teams will continue to exploit that until we fix it

There's other problems of course, but that's the biggest issue for us right now

We will with Frank/Mitch (when he learns the pro game)/KP

[RHODEY]

Team full of bad defenders actually giving efffort it maybe there’s a scheme behind it. Either way you can’t sit here and find a way to discredit it. It’s evident in leading the league in steals. Y’all love to discredit real chit. The defense from our first game in preseason carried over and people are just shocked. Good start.

Yes this is true. I know its early but Im not totally convinced we will be "Bad" this year.

[blueNorange]

lol hezonja has a -0.8 DBPM

the knicks best defenders in the first 3 games

frank with +2.6
vonleh with +2.3
lance with +1.7
kanter with +1.3
dotson with +0.6

knox has a -4.5

[waya]

lol hezonja has a -0.8 DBPM

the knicks best defenders in the first 3 games

frank with +2.6
vonleh with +2.3
lance with +1.7
kanter with +1.3
dotson with +0.6

knox has a -4.5

Not sure how much credence should be put into DBPM. From bballreference's own words:

There are limitations on all box score stats – if the box score doesn't measure a particular contribution, a box-score-based metric can only approximate that contribution. This is not a great hindrance on the offensive side, as nearly everything of importance on offense is captured by the box score (only missing things like screen-setting), but on defense the box score is quite limited. Blocks, steals, and rebounds, along with minutes and what little information offensive numbers yield about defensive performance are all that is available. Such critical components of defense as positioning, communication, and the other factors that make Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan elite on defense can't be captured, unfortunately.

What does this mean? Box Plus/Minus is good at measuring offense and solid overall, but the defensive numbers in particular should not be considered definitive. Look at the defensive values as a guide, but don't hesitate to discount them when a player is well known as a good or bad defender.

Imma wait for the DRPM numbers to come out

[waya]

Did this guy call Tatum a b*tch?

[Besart19]

Way too early to say we're good on defense

...But, it's not too early for them to say we're bad.

--Mags

With the pace we’re playing thats 3rd actually

[whocares1]

lol hezonja has a -0.8 DBPM

the knicks best defenders in the first 3 games

frank with +2.6
vonleh with +2.3
lance with +1.7
kanter with +1.3
dotson with +0.6

knox has a -4.5

Knox is on another level of terrible lol. I’m guessing since you didn’t post Burke’s it isn’t as bad as you hoped.

[Fat Kat]

Way too early to say we're good on defense

...But, it's not too early for them to say we're bad.

--Mags

[reub]

lol hezonja has a -0.8 DBPM

the knicks best defenders in the first 3 games

frank with +2.6
vonleh with +2.3
lance with +1.7
kanter with +1.3
dotson with +0.6

knox has a -4.5

Knox is on another level of terrible lol. I’m guessing since you didn’t post Burke’s it isn’t as bad as you hoped.

He's the YOUNGEST Knick ever. Just stop it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

This guys is just pjax’s mouthpiece, taking shots at Knicks that were brought in by mills/Perry

Yeah, knock the guy who got us KP. Wise.

Are you referring to pjax or gains? If it’s pjax - I’ll knock him all day everyday for doing a piss poor job while he was at the helm. If it’s gains - I’m glad he recommended KP as a draft pick, but he’s not above reproach. If he’s gonna take shots at one of our players, I’ll take shots right back at him.

as much as i'll miss his evaluatation talents, he can STFUGTFO. being a spicy mouth is why his OG is gone. this behavior is endemic of the jax administration -- bad look for grown ass men.

[whocares1]

lol hezonja has a -0.8 DBPM

the knicks best defenders in the first 3 games

frank with +2.6
vonleh with +2.3
lance with +1.7
kanter with +1.3
dotson with +0.6

knox has a -4.5

Knox is on another level of terrible lol. I’m guessing since you didn’t post Burke’s it isn’t as bad as you hoped.

He's the YOUNGEST Knick ever. Just stop it.

So was Frank last season.

[E-Balla]

What is evident is the team is competing. The record of course doesn't reflect that and we know why....they lost two games by a combined 4 points.

But since it's easier to complain than it is to just enjoy, I'm gonna let y'all cook.

We always start the season competitive, at least since 2016.

2016:
Started 2-1 with wins over the Wizards who won a playoff series the year before, a loss to the Hawks a year after 60 wins, and a Bucks (who made the playoffs the year before) win, continued to go 22-22

2017:
Started 16-13 but never looked that good so I'll let this slide

2018:
Started 10-7 with big wins in there

Bad but not terrible/tank level teams compete early. It's nothing new.

[whocares1]

What is evident is the team is competing. The record of course doesn't reflect that and we know why....they lost two games by a combined 4 points.

But since it's easier to complain than it is to just enjoy, I'm gonna let y'all cook.

We always start the season competitive, at least since 2016.

2016:
Started 2-1 with wins over the Wizards who won a playoff series the year before, a loss to the Hawks a year after 60 wins, and a Bucks (who made the playoffs the year before) win, continued to go 22-22

2017:
Started 16-13 but never looked that good so I'll let this slide

2018:
Started 10-7 with big wins in there

Bad but not terrible/tank level teams compete early. It's nothing new.

Which means we should be focused on starting out terrible because the way we start is the reason we end up picking 8th in the draft.

[NoLayupRule]

What is evident is the team is competing. The record of course doesn't reflect that and we know why....they lost two games by a combined 4 points.

But since it's easier to complain than it is to just enjoy, I'm gonna let y'all cook.

Well said

And despite some of the grumbling and complaining this team is doing exactly what it should

It’s competing against better teams and it’s doing it with pretty solid play on both ends. Defending and moving the ball.

And we’re losing
Which is fine
Too 5 pick and major development is the goal. People need to remember.

[blueNorange]

What is evident is the team is competing. The record of course doesn't reflect that and we know why....they lost two games by a combined 4 points.

But since it's easier to complain than it is to just enjoy, I'm gonna let y'all cook.

Well said

And despite some of the grumbling and complaining this team is doing exactly what it should

It’s competing against better teams and it’s doing it with pretty solid play on both ends. Defending and moving the ball.

And we’re losing
Which is fine
Too 5 pick and major development is the goal. People need to remember.

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Did this guy call Tatum a b*tch?

looks like an autocorrect fail.

bitch scorer.

clutch scorer?

[Jeff Van Gully]

What is evident is the team is competing. The record of course doesn't reflect that and we know why....they lost two games by a combined 4 points.

But since it's easier to complain than it is to just enjoy, I'm gonna let y'all cook.

Well said

And despite some of the grumbling and complaining this team is doing exactly what it should

It’s competing against better teams and it’s doing it with pretty solid play on both ends. Defending and moving the ball.

And we’re losing
Which is fine
Too 5 pick and major development is the goal. People need to remember.

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

[E-Balla]

What is evident is the team is competing. The record of course doesn't reflect that and we know why....they lost two games by a combined 4 points.

But since it's easier to complain than it is to just enjoy, I'm gonna let y'all cook.

We always start the season competitive, at least since 2016.

2016:
Started 2-1 with wins over the Wizards who won a playoff series the year before, a loss to the Hawks a year after 60 wins, and a Bucks (who made the playoffs the year before) win, continued to go 22-22

2017:
Started 16-13 but never looked that good so I'll let this slide

2018:
Started 10-7 with big wins in there

Bad but not terrible/tank level teams compete early. It's nothing new.

Which means we should be focused on starting out terrible because the way we start is the reason we end up picking 8th in the draft.

I've been saying from the offseason we aren't nearly as terrible without KP as thought but we have all the trappings of a bad team. Mainly that we keep games close and can't close them. Be ready for another 25-30 win season.

[whocares1]

We always start the season competitive, at least since 2016.

2016:
Started 2-1 with wins over the Wizards who won a playoff series the year before, a loss to the Hawks a year after 60 wins, and a Bucks (who made the playoffs the year before) win, continued to go 22-22

2017:
Started 16-13 but never looked that good so I'll let this slide

2018:
Started 10-7 with big wins in there

Bad but not terrible/tank level teams compete early. It's nothing new.

Which means we should be focused on starting out terrible because the way we start is the reason we end up picking 8th in the draft.

I've been saying from the offseason we aren't nearly as terrible without KP as thought but we have all the trappings of a bad team. Mainly that we keep games close and can't close them. Be ready for another 25-30 win season.

We will see about that. This team looked good, but all three games were in NY. Good teams are made on the road. If the Knicks play well today we might be in trouble.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Did this guy call Tatum a b*tch?

looks like an autocorrect fail.

bitch scorer.

clutch scorer?

which begs the question...

how often is he calling people bitches on that device?