Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[Riot Randolph]

Conley is better than Kyrie, as an overall basketball player. Kyrie can't lead or play defense, whereas Conley excels in those two areas. Kyrie is a better iso scorer, though.

Age is a factor why most GMs wouldn't trade Conley for Kyrie. You know most GMing goes beyond just stats, right?

Who said anything about stats? You! LMBO

kyrie puts up better stats than conley. that's the only reason that someone might think kyrie is better than conley. if you're able to look beyond stats, it's easy and clear to see why conley is a better PG than kyrie, at least if you need a floor general and want to win.

kyrie can score, that's about it.

lol people think this is aau ....you have to play defense and Kyrie's defense is not good...

[Jalen Bluntson]

You take it on faith...you take it to the heart...the waiting is the hardest part.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Kawhi.

thebuzzardman's fantasy is fine and all, but actually really wrong, I think, after chewing it all over.

It would be terrible for Kawhi and for all of us wanting to see the soulless destroyer ring again. And terrible for the Knicks because: why 35-45 wins? What's the point?

There's more suffering to be done aorn. There has to be more internal development before trying to jump to the answers at the end of the book.

[mpharris36]

Won't commit to DLo but were ready to pay KP 30 mil a year as if KP is some huge impact player that was gonna bring us a chip

difference was KP effected both ends of the floor. Healthy, he had a legit shot of being a superstar. D-lo is not a efficient shot taker or maker and he doesn't play defense. U don't invest longterm in that.

DLo as a floor general, playmaker and a guy who can create shots for himself and others is still a valuable player. KP wasnt efficient either, had stamina issues, durability issues, had trouble guarding big centers in the paint, had trouble guarding smaller forwards on the perimeter. Yeah he brought weak side shot blocking but dude would get cooked plenty of times against certain matchups. He had plenty of weaknesses and queation marks.

sure he had question marks. but he shot 40% 3 pt shooter and was an elite rim protector in his last stages before his injury.

Dlo is a sub 42% shooter with less than a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ration...what am I missing?

he's a good player that had a good year...he isn't worth investing max $$ on...no way in hell

[Chanel Bomber]

Won't commit to DLo but were ready to pay KP 30 mil a year as if KP is some huge impact player that was gonna bring us a chip

difference was KP effected both ends of the floor. Healthy, he had a legit shot of being a superstar. D-lo is not a efficient shot taker or maker and he doesn't play defense. U don't invest longterm in that.

KP is not an efficient shot taker or maker either. Both he and Russell have a below-average career TS%. In fact, neither one of them has ever reached league average in TS%. Russell however is a far better passer and playmaker than KP. Porzingis is a horrible passer and decision-maker. He simply has a low basketball IQ on offense. Obviously, KP's a far better defender than Russell, so it evens out. You can certainly make the case that KP's better than Russell right now (or rather based on what we saw last year), but the injury concerns matter in this equation as well.

I always viewed KP as an athlete with basketball skills rather than a pure basketball player. I think I like Russell's upside more than I do KPs. Not saying we should (or shouldn't) throw the max either.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

lol people think this is aau ....you have to play defense and Kyrie's defense is not good...

Yes. This. AAU is catnip. You have to start from either (unlikely) a 0.1%-er or defence. hurr-durr, lemme thangk. what defencesrs do the NYK have? hurr-duur.

[SARGO127]

I’ve been so busy all weekend but what’s the newest rumors

[robillionaire]

Conley is better than Kyrie, as an overall basketball player. Kyrie can't lead or play defense, whereas Conley excels in those two areas. Kyrie is a better iso scorer, though.

Age is a factor why most GMs wouldn't trade Conley for Kyrie. You know most GMing goes beyond just stats, right?

Who said anything about stats? You! LMBO

kyrie puts up better stats than conley. that's the only reason that someone might think kyrie is better than conley. if you're able to look beyond stats, it's easy and clear to see why conley is a better PG than kyrie, at least if you need a floor general and want to win.

kyrie can score, that's about it.

Aside from his better stats someone might also notice Kyrie's 6 all star appearances or his championship ring or his all star game mvp or his all-nba awards or his various other individual awards and accolades or the fact that conley is turning 32 on the downside of his career has no individual accomplishments and despite some moderate success in the past his team has been one of the worst in the NBA the past couple years, and after looking at all that they might somehow walk away with the impression that kyrie is the better player. But us smarter than the average badger nba fans and of course GMs know Conley is a better PG

[Jscratch1200]

I’ve been so busy all weekend but what’s the newest rumors

Nothing. Been slow since draft night.

[robillionaire]

Kawhi.

thebuzzardman's fantasy is fine and all, but actually really wrong, I think, after chewing it all over.

It would be terrible for Kawhi and for all of us wanting to see the soulless destroyer ring again. And terrible for the Knicks because: why 35-45 wins? What's the point?

There's more suffering to be done aorn. There has to be more internal development before trying to jump to the answers at the end of the book.

Agreed. All we can do is hope they rip the band-aid off fast and sign elsewhere soon so we can focus on the rebuild.

[br7knicks]

Willy Cauley Stein wants out of Sacramento. That would be another nice reclamation project to take on at the right price.

he doesn't make sense from a fit stand point. but if he wants to come for the MLE, i'm okay with it, as long as it doesn't interfere with mitch's PT (unfortunately, it probably would)

[br7knicks]

Who said anything about stats? You! LMBO

kyrie puts up better stats than conley. that's the only reason that someone might think kyrie is better than conley. if you're able to look beyond stats, it's easy and clear to see why conley is a better PG than kyrie, at least if you need a floor general and want to win.

kyrie can score, that's about it.

lol people think this is aau ....you have to play defense and Kyrie's defense is not good...

yeah, not sure why people would want kyrie on the knicks. he'd do more harm than good. not sure if that's what the OP was saying, though.

i was just correcting the notion, belief, or myth, that kyrie is better than conley at basketball

[HEZI]

difference was KP effected both ends of the floor. Healthy, he had a legit shot of being a superstar. D-lo is not a efficient shot taker or maker and he doesn't play defense. U don't invest longterm in that.

DLo as a floor general, playmaker and a guy who can create shots for himself and others is still a valuable player. KP wasnt efficient either, had stamina issues, durability issues, had trouble guarding big centers in the paint, had trouble guarding smaller forwards on the perimeter. Yeah he brought weak side shot blocking but dude would get cooked plenty of times against certain matchups. He had plenty of weaknesses and queation marks.

sure he had question marks. but he shot 40% 3 pt shooter and was an elite rim protector in his last stages before his injury.

Dlo is a sub 42% shooter with less than a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ration...what am I missing?

he's a good player that had a good year...he isn't worth investing max $$ on...no way in hell

What exactly made KP worth 30 mil? He didnt even have a good year he had a good first 2 months of the season . I dont need to put up KP stats to show he really wasnt shyt, they are out there and he did less for the Knicks than FLo did for Brooklyn. At least DLo proved he could lead a team to the playoffs, despite having little help around him. Wouldnt mind seeing what him and RJ can do out there together.

[ADeP7]

You could go and sign dlo Russell and get a guy who can grow with Barrett Mitch knox trier.
He’s gonna make 27 mil on the max. Sign remaining free agents to one year deals.

You have dsj you can move as an asset and have 40-45 mil to spend again in 2020 free agency

[K_ick_God]

difference was KP effected both ends of the floor. Healthy, he had a legit shot of being a superstar. D-lo is not a efficient shot taker or maker and he doesn't play defense. U don't invest longterm in that.

DLo as a floor general, playmaker and a guy who can create shots for himself and others is still a valuable player. KP wasnt efficient either, had stamina issues, durability issues, had trouble guarding big centers in the paint, had trouble guarding smaller forwards on the perimeter. Yeah he brought weak side shot blocking but dude would get cooked plenty of times against certain matchups. He had plenty of weaknesses and queation marks.

sure he had question marks. but he shot 40% 3 pt shooter and was an elite rim protector in his last stages before his injury.

Dlo is a sub 42% shooter with less than a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ration...what am I missing?

he's a good player that had a good year...he isn't worth investing max $$ on...no way in hell

The 40% shooter is a bit misleading. He shot 45% and then declined hard & fast. He is not fast or strong or even talented enough to be great imo. He’a a poor finisher inside. I always think you have to pay close attention to a young big’s finishing. If it’s not good then be worried.

[K_ick_God]

Kawhi.

thebuzzardman's fantasy is fine and all, but actually really wrong, I think, after chewing it all over.

It would be terrible for Kawhi and for all of us wanting to see the soulless destroyer ring again. And terrible for the Knicks because: why 35-45 wins? What's the point?

There's more suffering to be done aorn. There has to be more internal development before trying to jump to the answers at the end of the book.

Agreed. All we can do is hope they rip the band-aid off fast and sign elsewhere soon so we can focus on the rebuild.

I see the logic but disagree. Kawhi still young and dominant — he elevates the yutes too. You just speed up your success.

We can find a Siakam and some depth. Knox can get there and we have other guys.

Kawhi and Mitch would be sicko.

[mpharris36]

DLo as a floor general, playmaker and a guy who can create shots for himself and others is still a valuable player. KP wasnt efficient either, had stamina issues, durability issues, had trouble guarding big centers in the paint, had trouble guarding smaller forwards on the perimeter. Yeah he brought weak side shot blocking but dude would get cooked plenty of times against certain matchups. He had plenty of weaknesses and queation marks.

sure he had question marks. but he shot 40% 3 pt shooter and was an elite rim protector in his last stages before his injury.

Dlo is a sub 42% shooter with less than a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ration...what am I missing?

he's a good player that had a good year...he isn't worth investing max $$ on...no way in hell

The 40% shooter is a bit misleading. He shot 45% and then declined hard & fast. He is not fast or strong or even talented enough to be great imo. He’a a poor finisher inside. I always think you have to pay close attention to a young big’s finishing. If it’s not good then be worried.

he also played with absolutely zero playmaking guard...so is that misleading. Hey im the first to say f*ck KP for the **** he pulled.

But KP is hands down a better player than Dlo...its not even worth a debate.

[HEZI]

DLo as a floor general, playmaker and a guy who can create shots for himself and others is still a valuable player. KP wasnt efficient either, had stamina issues, durability issues, had trouble guarding big centers in the paint, had trouble guarding smaller forwards on the perimeter. Yeah he brought weak side shot blocking but dude would get cooked plenty of times against certain matchups. He had plenty of weaknesses and queation marks.

sure he had question marks. but he shot 40% 3 pt shooter and was an elite rim protector in his last stages before his injury.

Dlo is a sub 42% shooter with less than a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ration...what am I missing?

he's a good player that had a good year...he isn't worth investing max $$ on...no way in hell

The 40% shooter is a bit misleading. He shot 45% and then declined hard & fast. He is not fast or strong or even talented enough to be great imo. He’a a poor finisher inside. I always think you have to pay close attention to a young big’s finishing. If it’s not good then be worried.

It's especially misleading when we are talking about only 48 games. He wasn't playing nearly at the same level after December and his numbers were only starting to decline. Who knows what he would have finished the season with, but if previous seasons are any indication then it's safe to assume his numbers would have dropped significantly and he would have finished off the year at around his average of 35%

[HerSports85]

Just roll with DSJR at the point and add 2 more young players with potential. I’m officially out on adding Kyrie and KD ..

As long as we don’t hinder our chances at getting a max player a year or 2 from now I’m ok with taking a risk on a few players

[HEZI]

The idea of who KP could become isn't the reality of who he really was up to the point of his injury. He was about to get 30 mil a year for potential, not for being a proven superstar