Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[dakomish23]

What should he have said about a new guy?

He didn’t have to trash him on the way out

Steve Kerr has always been a bit of dck. You needed to be a dck to have survived the MJ Bulls.

Didn’t he get punched by MJ for yapping

[aq_ua]

He didn’t have to trash him on the way out

Steve Kerr has always been a bit of dck. You needed to be a dck to have survived the MJ Bulls.

Didn’t he get punched by MJ for yapping

He and Kerr talked trash on a couple of possessions, and then it escalated.

“I took exception to something he said,” Kerr says. “So I was talking back and I don’t think Michael appreciated that ... and we got in the lane and he gave me a forearm shiver to the chest and I pushed him back. And next thing you know, our teammates were pulling him off of me.”

The 6-foot-3, 175-pound Kerr wound up with a black eye. He threw some punches before it was broken up, too.

Yep, that's what he does, he yaps like a little btch.

[spree2kawhi]

Guys if you met him, would you tell him or would you get an autograph?

[YungKnicks]

My Two Cent.... the Steve Mills situation.. shows there is no agreement within the organization on the direction the Knicks organization should go. I believe Mills/Perry had a plan (though most are not big fans of some of their moves, they did get us more picks and cleared cap space) but "others" in the organization wanted to do the opposite. This is a problem in the Knicks organization..... too many people are in Jim Dolans ears. This causes a lack of direction, leadership and chaos. This is why there is no plan, year after year... and we keep hiring and firing POBO, GM's and coaches. I really believe this is the biggest problem with this team. Dolan has too many people in his ears. This is why we can't do a full rebuild in NY!!! There is no process to trust....

Everyone Dolan hires is pressured to win.. because the next guy is in his ears telling him I can get you someone else to turn this franchise around and he is fkin listening....SMH.

[el13adnino]

My Two Cent.... the Steve Mills situation.. shows there is no agreement within the organization on the direction the Knicks organization should go. I believe Mills/Perry had a plan (though most are not big fans of some of their moves, they did get us more picks and cleared cap space) but "others" in the organization wanted to do the opposite. This is a problem in the Knicks organization..... too many people are in Jim Dolans ears. This causes a lack of direction, leadership and chaos. This is why there is no plan, year after year... and we keep hiring and firing POBO, GM's and coaches. I really believe this is the biggest problem with this team. Dolan has too many people in his ears. This is why we can't do a full rebuild in NY!!! There is no process to trust....

Everyone Dolan hires is pressured to win.. because the next guy is in his ears telling him I can get you someone else to turn this franchise around and he is fkin listening....SMH.

Mills was the “others” we knew what perry was trying to do, mills wanted to win now always and Dolan finally realized

[thebuzzardman]

My Two Cent.... the Steve Mills situation.. shows there is no agreement within the organization on the direction the Knicks organization should go. I believe Mills/Perry had a plan (though most are not big fans of some of their moves, they did get us more picks and cleared cap space) but "others" in the organization wanted to do the opposite. This is a problem in the Knicks organization..... too many people are in Jim Dolans ears. This causes a lack of direction, leadership and chaos. This is why there is no plan, year after year... and we keep hiring and firing POBO, GM's and coaches. I really believe this is the biggest problem with this team. Dolan has too many people in his ears. This is why we can't do a full rebuild in NY!!! There is no process to trust....

Everyone Dolan hires is pressured to win.. because the next guy is in his ears telling him I can get you someone else to turn this franchise around and he is fkin listening....SMH.

Mills was the “others” we knew what perry was trying to do, mills wanted to win now always and Dolan finally realized

While that is possible, it's the Knicks and we don't know for sure.

I mean, I thought that when Mills got fired. He's clearly been part of a "win now" culture for a while and we all know the dumb moves he's been a part of.

But it's possible he sold Dolan on a fiscal responsibility plan while being somewhat competitive. I doubt it though.

I think Mills sold Dolan on clearing cap space and saving picks, but that cap space was for a big FA splash. Mills was cooked once that failed.

I mean, look the chain of events.

McKinsey advises Knicks cap management and draft picks are good!
Knicks hold on to picks, clear cap space when KP hurts Mills/Perry feelings.
Mills then amps up Dolan/deflects from KP situation by saying "we gonna get starz"
Brooklyn been beating the Knicks out with their corny urban marketing and black uniforms, Dolan upset
Dolan totally soils his shorts when Knicks don't get "all the starz" and worse, BK gets the "big fishes" and marketing bonanza
Dolan comes to angry realization Mills has been sh*tting him for years about "all his league contacts"
Dolan hires branding guy, because primarily, Dolan just interested in maintaining assess in seats vs BK
Branding guy suggests Leon Rose, because "connected" and Knicks will be "cool" and get "starz too" just like Nets
Assume Leon Rose tells Dolan all about the "starz" he can get
Assume the Knicks throw a big bag of money at Amare/Melo like guys again, because "branding"

[thebuzzardman]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

Might be worth looking at:

Bertans
Wood
Bellinelli
Harris
Baynes
Crowder
Dragic?

Dependent on some of them taking a 1 year deal. There are guys I'd consider on longer deals from the above if the $ were right - without thinking too hard on the 20-21 FA implications

[thebuzzardman]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

Might be worth looking at:

Bertans
Wood
Bellinelli
Harris
Baynes
Crowder
Dragic?

Dependent on some of them taking a 1 year deal. There are guys I'd consider on longer deals from the above if the $ were right - without thinking too hard on the 20-21 FA implications

RFA's I'd consider:
Beasley
Bog Bog
Ingram? - that's a tough one. He'd have to be worth tying up significant cap space for

[evevale]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

Might be worth looking at:

Bertans
Wood
Bellinelli
Harris
Baynes
Crowder
Dragic?

Dependent on some of them taking a 1 year deal. There are guys I'd consider on longer deals from the above if the $ were right - without thinking too hard on the 20-21 FA implications

Christian Wood is a stud on DET, I highly doubt they let him walk after letting Drummer go.

[newyorker4ever]

My Two Cent.... the Steve Mills situation.. shows there is no agreement within the organization on the direction the Knicks organization should go. I believe Mills/Perry had a plan (though most are not big fans of some of their moves, they did get us more picks and cleared cap space) but "others" in the organization wanted to do the opposite. This is a problem in the Knicks organization..... too many people are in Jim Dolans ears. This causes a lack of direction, leadership and chaos. This is why there is no plan, year after year... and we keep hiring and firing POBO, GM's and coaches. I really believe this is the biggest problem with this team. Dolan has too many people in his ears. This is why we can't do a full rebuild in NY!!! There is no process to trust....

Everyone Dolan hires is pressured to win.. because the next guy is in his ears telling him I can get you someone else to turn this franchise around and he is fkin listening....SMH.

Mills was the “others” we knew what perry was trying to do, mills wanted to win now always and Dolan finally realized

While that is possible, it's the Knicks and we don't know for sure.

I mean, I thought that when Mills got fired. He's clearly been part of a "win now" culture for a while and we all know the dumb moves he's been a part of.

But it's possible he sold Dolan on a fiscal responsibility plan while being somewhat competitive. I doubt it though.

I think Mills sold Dolan on clearing cap space and saving picks, but that cap space was for a big FA splash. Mills was cooked once that failed.

I mean, look the chain of events.

McKinsey advises Knicks cap management and draft picks are good!
Knicks hold on to picks, clear cap space when KP hurts Mills/Perry feelings.
Mills then amps up Dolan/deflects from KP situation by saying "we gonna get starz"
Brooklyn been beating the Knicks out with their corny urban marketing and black uniforms, Dolan upset
Dolan totally soils his shorts when Knicks don't get "all the starz" and worse, BK gets the "big fishes" and marketing bonanza
Dolan comes to angry realization Mills has been sh*tting him for years about "all his league contacts"
Dolan hires branding guy, because primarily, Dolan just interested in maintaining assess in seats vs BK
Branding guy suggests Leon Rose, because "connected" and Knicks will be "cool" and get "starz too" just like Nets
Assume Leon Rose tells Dolan all about the "starz" he can get
Assume the Knicks throw a big bag of money at Amare/Melo like guys again, because "branding"

Yeah i think you just hit the two biggest things that happened to cause the Mills firing and for Dolan to once again try to mix things up and hope this next move ends up the winning move. The two things are easy, selling Dolan on the idea of the KP trade is to clear space cause we're getting two max players, which obviously didn't happen, and now how that trade is looking with KP looking good and healthy and the Mavis winning and the Knicks knowing that not only did we miss on the two max cats but now the two 1st round picks from Dallas will be late 1st round picks and everyone, even Dolan, knows that the draft is a crap shoot anywhere but especially when you get anywhere past the lottery.

So basically the KP trade was a big miss cause we didn't get anything like we thought we'd get out of it which were two max players and two draft picks that could both end up in the lottery even though the 2nd one is top 10 protected.

Now of course we do still have that cap space and you never know what we could end up doing with those two picks whether we get lucky and hit big with the players we draft with them or trade them for a player or players or more draft picks that help the team.

[thebuzzardman]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

Might be worth looking at:

Bertans
Wood
Bellinelli
Harris
Baynes
Crowder
Dragic?

Dependent on some of them taking a 1 year deal. There are guys I'd consider on longer deals from the above if the $ were right - without thinking too hard on the 20-21 FA implications

Christian Wood is a stud on DET, I highly doubt they let him walk after letting Drummer go.

He's a UFA. They might not have a choice. Obviously, I think they'd throw enough money at him to make him stay, but he can walk if he wants to.

[newyorker4ever]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

Might be worth looking at:

Bertans
Wood
Bellinelli
Harris
Baynes
Crowder
Dragic?

Dependent on some of them taking a 1 year deal. There are guys I'd consider on longer deals from the above if the $ were right - without thinking too hard on the 20-21 FA implications

No way Wash just lets Bertans walk away right? He's too valuable as a big man that has great shooting touch but would love to get him if they did. Who's Harris? Tobias Harris? The rest besides Woods are getting up there in age.

[moocow007]

Well obviously Anthony Davis is likely to be the top free agent available. But the chances of him jumping ship this offseason is probably slim to nil. I'd expect AD to re-up on a max deal that gives him the flexibility to jump in a few years (when is Lebron's contract over?).

Next up? Brandon Ingram who picked the best time to have his coming out party. He's only 23. The Knicks will need to do their homework on Ingram's makeup and probably his long term health and, if everything works out, you throw the maximum amount of dollars and years at him. Honestly, IF their plan is to make the big play for the Greek Freak in 2021, then like I said, they MUST make a move in 2020. Something sizable that can push the Knicks yard marker much closer to the goal line. The benefit of maxing out Ingram is that because he has less than 6 years of NBA experience we're only talking about 25% of the total team salary cap (probably about $27-28 million starting depending on the cap). That could be a good buy that leaves cap flexibility. I would go full bore at Ingram and throw the maximum allowed at him and hope the bright lights of NY will attract him.

Next up on the potential FA list is Demar Derozan who has a player option. He MAY opt out feeling that he could cash in long term (he's 31 so now is the time for that last contract). But he's not someone the Knicks really need IMO so no. Likewise, the Knicks should stay clear of anyone on the wrong side of 30 in free agency (sorry Mooks).

Then there's the next group of guys that could be worth a look but that could, in a thin market, get more than you probably want to give. That group includes Montrezl Harrel, Fred Van Fleet, Evan Fournier, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Davis Bertans and Andre Drummond (Fournier and Drummond have player options so remains to be seen if they opt out). You can argue that all the guys except maybe Drummond would fit in well with this team. Problem is that it would not surprise me that all these guys could get contracts that may be more than what you'd want to spend.

One guy that could go under the radar that isn't an unknown could be Otto Porter. Fresh off of a god awful contract, maybe there'd be enough negative stigma that the Knicks could sign him for cheaper that otherwise he may get.

Underrated guys to go after on the cheap? Gary Payton II. I liked him a lot coming out of college (see my posts from back then) and I think he stepped it up this season. He's a dynamic player that plays with confidence. Furkan Korkmaz is another guy that should be looked at.

I would try my hardest to move Randle (and his $20 million per cap hit). Now may be the time considering the thin pickings in FA. I mean if you are going to trade, this offseason is prime time to trade given the lack of free agent options. If I can do that on draft night perhaps, I'd like myself up for Ingram and Harrell.

PG? Yeah that'll be a problem still. Maybe Jeff Teague? Or if Memphis want's to shed Conley's final mega year? Pay Rondo what they paid Portis lol for a 1 year placeholder for their new PG of the future (Greek Freak? LOLZ). I would lean towards trying to show that lovely capspace to the Grizzlies and see if they're willing to send Conley's contract to NY. Conley would be the best win now option that NY may be able to get at PG.

Ingram, Harrell and Conley as the new adds (Randle as the main subtract) to the team? With RJ, Mitch, Ball (lol)?, Dotson (resigned), Payton II and another shooter of some sort. That would be what I'd work with to win as many games as possible with the goal of looking like the prettiest pig in the pokey for the big name FA's in 2021. Conley's contract comes off just in time to slot in 1 MAX cat. That's a pretty potent supporting cast for whatever max cat they target. A cast that should be around for the long haul.

[thebuzzardman]

Mills was the “others” we knew what perry was trying to do, mills wanted to win now always and Dolan finally realized

While that is possible, it's the Knicks and we don't know for sure.

I mean, I thought that when Mills got fired. He's clearly been part of a "win now" culture for a while and we all know the dumb moves he's been a part of.

But it's possible he sold Dolan on a fiscal responsibility plan while being somewhat competitive. I doubt it though.

I think Mills sold Dolan on clearing cap space and saving picks, but that cap space was for a big FA splash. Mills was cooked once that failed.

I mean, look the chain of events.

McKinsey advises Knicks cap management and draft picks are good!
Knicks hold on to picks, clear cap space when KP hurts Mills/Perry feelings.
Mills then amps up Dolan/deflects from KP situation by saying "we gonna get starz"
Brooklyn been beating the Knicks out with their corny urban marketing and black uniforms, Dolan upset
Dolan totally soils his shorts when Knicks don't get "all the starz" and worse, BK gets the "big fishes" and marketing bonanza
Dolan comes to angry realization Mills has been sh*tting him for years about "all his league contacts"
Dolan hires branding guy, because primarily, Dolan just interested in maintaining assess in seats vs BK
Branding guy suggests Leon Rose, because "connected" and Knicks will be "cool" and get "starz too" just like Nets
Assume Leon Rose tells Dolan all about the "starz" he can get
Assume the Knicks throw a big bag of money at Amare/Melo like guys again, because "branding"

Yeah i think you just hit the two biggest things that happened to cause the Mills firing and for Dolan to once again try to mix things up and hope this next move ends up the winning move. The two things are easy, selling Dolan on the idea of the KP trade is to clear space cause we're getting two max players, which obviously didn't happen, and now how that trade is looking with KP looking good and healthy and the Mavis winning and the Knicks knowing that not only did we miss on the two max cats but now the two 1st round picks from Dallas will be late 1st round picks and everyone, even Dolan, knows that the draft is a crap shoot anywhere but especially when you get anywhere past the lottery.

So basically the KP trade was a big miss cause we didn't get anything like we thought we'd get out of it which were two max players and two draft picks that could both end up in the lottery even though the 2nd one is top 10 protected.

Now of course we do still have that cap space and you never know what we could end up doing with those two picks whether we get lucky and hit big with the players we draft with them or trade them for a player or players or more draft picks that help the team.

I don't want to re-litigate the KP trade. I still understand - MAYBE - the rational for it. It's not only KP's cap space short term - which didn't work out, but also long term - do the Knicks want to pay 30 million a year for 5 years for an injury prone player with perhaps and attitude problem, or an entourage problem in Janis?

I can get moving on from that. As far as the picks? Once the Mavs had Donic, or that I knew KP was going onto a Donic team, I figured BEST case scenarios had those picks maybe like 18ish, and probably more like 24ish.

Which I personally don't mind, as asset accumulation has to start somewhere. That's why the Morris trade was ultimately good. Sure, the pick won't be anything special at 28-30, but having extra picks is having tangible assets that take up zero cap room, but can be used, or included in trades, again, with no cap implications until they are used, and even then, then represent cheap, cost controlled players. And maybe even talent, if someone other than the Knicks is drafting.

[evevale]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

Might be worth looking at:

Bertans
Wood
Bellinelli
Harris
Baynes
Crowder
Dragic?

Dependent on some of them taking a 1 year deal. There are guys I'd consider on longer deals from the above if the $ were right - without thinking too hard on the 20-21 FA implications

Christian Wood is a stud on DET, I highly doubt they let him walk after letting Drummer go.

He's a UFA. They might not have a choice. Obviously, I think they'd throw enough money at him to make him stay, but he can walk if he wants to.

Oh, I thought he was RFA. Still think he will lean towards staying with DET since they've given him significant minutes and featured him in their offense. It's a great situation for him.

Would love to see him as a Knick though, major sleeper player in the east.

[newyorker4ever]

Christian Wood is a stud on DET, I highly doubt they let him walk after letting Drummer go.

He's a UFA. They might not have a choice. Obviously, I think they'd throw enough money at him to make him stay, but he can walk if he wants to.

Oh, I thought he was RFA. Still think he will lean towards staying with DET since they've given him significant minutes and featured him in their offense. It's a great situation for him.

Would love to see him as a Knick though, major sleeper player in the east.

There's been people on here talking about how we should get C.Wood for years now and now that a team has finally given him a legit shot to play consistent minutes in the NBA he's showing out. Now this could just be because he's playing on a bad team and you put him on a good team with other good players he might disappear but he's worth a shot if we can get him on the cheap.

[dakomish23]

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[Knicksfan1992]

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As much as I like Lavine, in the right situation, I think Chicago should have explored that. They could have tanked the rest of the year, got the PG they desperately need and could do a quick patch rebuild with like Mannion, Harris, Beasley Markannen, and Carter in tow. I also understand waiting until the summer however for more offers. That seems like pretty decent value though even without a pick.

I feel like New Orleans could get something better for Holiday though for sure.

[thebuzzardman]

This and the Leon Rose topic are the only ones that matter now. Oh, and the draft.

[SWYM]

This and the Leon Rose topic are the only ones that matter now. Oh, and the draft.

No!


Blockbuster pipe dreams where Knicks trash net a stud must litter this thread and occupy our time while we complain about developing reclamation bums > draft picks