2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[NYF13]

1. LAMELO or 2. DENI or 3. KILLIAN > 4. COLE.

But i am OK with any of these 4.

Quick question for guys who are excited about Killian, it says he's left hand dominant. Can you have two left-hand dominant in the back-court?

[3toheadmelo]

I want a pg. Stop making me warm up to Wiseman!

Join the Wiseman bandwagon

with your knicks history

But the Knicks are gonna draft another French pg Killian Hayes when Frank has been a massive bust?

[mpharris36]

Join the Wiseman bandwagon

with your knicks history

But the Knicks are gonna draft another French pg Killian Hayes when Frank has been a massive bust?

First Killian plays nothing like Frank (I think we both know that). Killian being French is pretty much the only thing they have in common. If anything Haliburton is the most like Frank.

and Frank is nowhere near a "bust". That is reserved for your boy

[3toheadmelo]

with your knicks history

But the Knicks are gonna draft another French pg Killian Hayes when Frank has been a massive bust?

First Killian plays nothing like Frank (I think we both know that). Killian being French is pretty much the only thing they have in common. If anything Haliburton is the most like Frank.

and Frank is nowhere near a "bust". That is reserved for your boy

The fact that they are both French is exactly why the Knicks will stay away from him. It is pretty much guaranteed the Knicks will take Cole Anthony over him if we do not move up in the draft.

[god shammgod]

nice to know nothing has stopped you two. carry on.

[mpharris36]

But the Knicks are gonna draft another French pg Killian Hayes when Frank has been a massive bust?

First Killian plays nothing like Frank (I think we both know that). Killian being French is pretty much the only thing they have in common. If anything Haliburton is the most like Frank.

and Frank is nowhere near a "bust". That is reserved for your boy

The fact that they are both French is exactly why the Knicks will stay away from him. It is pretty much guaranteed the Knicks will take Cole Anthony over him if we do not move up in the draft.

When he's the first knicks rookie to get an extension since Charlie Ward I hope you will finally put some respect on his game.

Also that would be completely foolish management to turn away a play because where he is from. If you think that is how we will approach it and pick Cole over Hayes just for that then our management and fan base is dumber then we all thought.

[mpharris36]

nice to know nothing has stopped you two. carry on.

we need some kind of normal

[3toheadmelo]

First Killian plays nothing like Frank (I think we both know that). Killian being French is pretty much the only thing they have in common. If anything Haliburton is the most like Frank.

and Frank is nowhere near a "bust". That is reserved for your boy

The fact that they are both French is exactly why the Knicks will stay away from him. It is pretty much guaranteed the Knicks will take Cole Anthony over him if we do not move up in the draft.

When he's the first knicks rookie to get an extension since Charlie Ward I hope you will finally put some respect on his game.

Also that would be completely foolish management to turn away a play because where he is from. If you think that is how we will approach it and pick Cole over Hayes just for that then our management and fan base is dumber then we all thought.

Nah he only deserves respect when he stops playing like a bum.

Well given the Knicks history with French players like Frank and Weis, they are def not taking him.

Also we are projected to pick at #6. A good majority of mock drafts have us picking Cole Anthony. And Hayes is in the 9-12 range. So Hayes is not even a realistic option at this point. But carry on with your Hayes pipe dreams. And I'll carry on with my Wiseman pipe dreams. Thank you very much. Lol

[robillionaire]

the knicks are taking lamelo or cole. the deciding factor will be the lottery or whether or not they decide to trade up

[3toheadmelo]

the knicks are taking lamelo or cole. the deciding factor will be the lottery or whether or not they decide to trade up

Yep. As much as I want Wiseman I know we most likely aren't getting him. Lamelo or Cole will be a Knick pretty much. Hopefully Lamelo

[knickstape21]

Edwards/Barrett/Robinson trio would be incredible. They fit like a glove.

Barrett is your rugged/tough wing and Edwards is your finesse/flashy wing that can really shoot it.

And Robinson doesn’t need the ball to be a monster. We all know that.

[RHODEY]

So here's the deal...

NO ONE on this team right now should be untouchable. NO ONE on this team right now has screamed to me that they are MUST to build around. It is what it is...

So the notion that you have to start trying to fit whomever you draft into the guys on this team is a reach. No, you don't say can player 'x' fit with "a, b and c". You look at player 'x' and you ask yourself, can this guy be a legit star? A game changer? On and by the way, can he theoretically also fit with the guys I do have.

The reason we are talking PG's is because it just so happens that there's a heavy concentration of them slotted to go in the top part of this draft. It shouldn't be because that's what this team needs. This team is probably the 2nd least talented team in the NBA right now. It's a stinker of a team. It has no Zion like player. It doesn't even have a Ja like player. Nothing. So stop trying to fit the guy that they'll be drafting into this current mix so much so that it clouds judgement. If I was the Pelican's, then yeah, I'm probably ready to look at fit more than anything else. But we aren't at that point yet.

Who I like if I were in charge?

I'd be looking for game changer players, guys that can become legit stars in the NBA. So I'd be looking at guys who's game and mentality can dominate and do well in the NBA. REGARDLESS of who I got on this team.

What I'd be interested in most is not to figure out if LaMelo Ball can ever learn to shoot, it's to figure out what his mentality really is (not the assumed drama mentality being a Ball) or anything like that.

Honestly, my top priority would be to try to get a real feel for James Wiseman and how much of a competitor he really is and what really is his capacity to step up and elevate his game when the competition gets harder. That would be my no.1 task? Why? Cause of all the players in this draft, Wiseman is the guy that absolutely can dominate if everything clicks on. More than anyone else. And no, if Wiseman can give me the warm and fuzzy feeling it absolutely does not matter if we already have Mitch Robinson or how good Mitch is or can be. Why? Cause I can flip Robinson for something else I can maximize value on.

Then it's onto LaMelo Ball and try to figure out if his mentality and makeup, and game, will translate better than his brother Lonzo's and what will I be getting once the lights AND pressure AND criticism turn on here. Would my assumption that he's made more for NY than any other player in this draft be correct?

So Ball and Wiseman, Wiseman and Ball, would be my top 2. Then I go from there.

Finding a shooter? Look. I'm not discounting shooting. Nor am I discounting how shooting could open up the floor for some of the other guys on the team. And yep, the NBA now puts a premium on shooting. But unless there's a Steph Curry in this draft (there isn't) the Knicks have a bigger need than a shooter at the top of their no.1 need list. So, again, no, shooting isn't the most important thing when figuring out who to draft. You can find shooting. You can't find a premium talent, an alpha lead, a game changer remotely as easily. If it were then we wouldn't be in the situation we've been in for over 2 decades running.

So, yeah, Wiseman and Ball would be at the top of my list. Then it's everyone else in some form.

So what happens if the Knicks don't end up with a top 3 or so pick (what you need to get Wiseman or Ball)? Killian Hayes next.

What if Hayes, Wiseman and Ball are gone? BPA Anthony Edwards would be where I'd lean. What about Barrett? What about him? IF Edwards is who I believe he can be and he lives up to the billing then I can: a) move Barrett to SF, b) move Barrett.

What if Edwards, Hayes, Wiseman and Ball are gone? I'd start moving to Deni Avdija and seeing how I feel about his game (and he's probably one of the most talented young players in this draft with a mentality that you find more here in the stats than anything else)? Where would he play? SF? What does it mean for Knox? It means if Knox can't step his game up then he's not going to be playing and/or be around for long.

Next? I have said this before, I think Onyeka Okongwu can be a special player in the NBA. He has the physical tools, the feel, the defensive chops and a pretty unique evolving offensive game. I do think he can become a Pascall Siakam level player (no obviously they don't play the same position or have the same exact skills).

Cole Anthony then would come in after that as, again, while I don't think he'll win you games with his PG skills, he can make an impact on the offensive end and as a high intensity attack dog type. A tough competitor that can at least help set a tone that I want my team to have.

That's 7 right? Those would be the guys I focus on. That would be my 7. That's the high talent and/or IMO the legit high upside guys. Obviously depending on what happens till draft time (more games and standing change, lottery results, etc.) If I end up with one of them I'd be anywhere from ecstatic to at least solidly ok with.

The rest of the guys? There are a lot of guys that are putting up stats and looking great in college that I honestly don't think will be able to translate to the NBA and/or that doesn't have much in the way of ceiling (Haliburton headlines this group). Doesn't mean they can't contribute, just means that it's not going to be someone that likely will push the needle for me enough. And I'm absolutely looking for a guy that can move the needle for me be it immediately (unlikely) or 2 or 3 years from now (much more realistic). I'm not shopping for role players or secondary guys where I am. Role players and secondary guys? That's what free agency is for since I'd be pretty clear that no needle movers will be signing with my schlep of a team.

There are also guys that I think will flub out completely (RJ Hampton to me is going to be the another Dante Exum). Yep it's most of the rest of the guys in the Tankathon mock lottery. If the Knicks end up at a spot where the the guys I mentioned already are all gone...then I move on and see if I which of the rest of these guys can give me a solid role player down the road and not flub out on me by not being able to mentally (or game wise) adjust to not being "da main man" in the NBA.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, that was a nice read....what are your thoughts on OBi ?

[jvsimonetti0514]

the knicks are taking lamelo or cole. the deciding factor will be the lottery or whether or not they decide to trade up

This is true but I hope that won't stop people from fighting over prospects that we'll never draft.

[Oscirus]

Everybody wants lamelo until this hothead starts freezing others out. NTY

[3toheadmelo]

He would def be a 2nd round steal. Been a fan of his over the past couple of years

Watch on YouTube

[moocow007]

So here's the deal...

NO ONE on this team right now should be untouchable. NO ONE on this team right now has screamed to me that they are MUST to build around. It is what it is...

So the notion that you have to start trying to fit whomever you draft into the guys on this team is a reach. No, you don't say can player 'x' fit with "a, b and c". You look at player 'x' and you ask yourself, can this guy be a legit star? A game changer? On and by the way, can he theoretically also fit with the guys I do have.

The reason we are talking PG's is because it just so happens that there's a heavy concentration of them slotted to go in the top part of this draft. It shouldn't be because that's what this team needs. This team is probably the 2nd least talented team in the NBA right now. It's a stinker of a team. It has no Zion like player. It doesn't even have a Ja like player. Nothing. So stop trying to fit the guy that they'll be drafting into this current mix so much so that it clouds judgement. If I was the Pelican's, then yeah, I'm probably ready to look at fit more than anything else. But we aren't at that point yet.

Who I like if I were in charge?

I'd be looking for game changer players, guys that can become legit stars in the NBA. So I'd be looking at guys who's game and mentality can dominate and do well in the NBA. REGARDLESS of who I got on this team.

What I'd be interested in most is not to figure out if LaMelo Ball can ever learn to shoot, it's to figure out what his mentality really is (not the assumed drama mentality being a Ball) or anything like that.

Honestly, my top priority would be to try to get a real feel for James Wiseman and how much of a competitor he really is and what really is his capacity to step up and elevate his game when the competition gets harder. That would be my no.1 task? Why? Cause of all the players in this draft, Wiseman is the guy that absolutely can dominate if everything clicks on. More than anyone else. And no, if Wiseman can give me the warm and fuzzy feeling it absolutely does not matter if we already have Mitch Robinson or how good Mitch is or can be. Why? Cause I can flip Robinson for something else I can maximize value on.

Then it's onto LaMelo Ball and try to figure out if his mentality and makeup, and game, will translate better than his brother Lonzo's and what will I be getting once the lights AND pressure AND criticism turn on here. Would my assumption that he's made more for NY than any other player in this draft be correct?

So Ball and Wiseman, Wiseman and Ball, would be my top 2. Then I go from there.

Finding a shooter? Look. I'm not discounting shooting. Nor am I discounting how shooting could open up the floor for some of the other guys on the team. And yep, the NBA now puts a premium on shooting. But unless there's a Steph Curry in this draft (there isn't) the Knicks have a bigger need than a shooter at the top of their no.1 need list. So, again, no, shooting isn't the most important thing when figuring out who to draft. You can find shooting. You can't find a premium talent, an alpha lead, a game changer remotely as easily. If it were then we wouldn't be in the situation we've been in for over 2 decades running.

So, yeah, Wiseman and Ball would be at the top of my list. Then it's everyone else in some form.

So what happens if the Knicks don't end up with a top 3 or so pick (what you need to get Wiseman or Ball)? Killian Hayes next.

What if Hayes, Wiseman and Ball are gone? BPA Anthony Edwards would be where I'd lean. What about Barrett? What about him? IF Edwards is who I believe he can be and he lives up to the billing then I can: a) move Barrett to SF, b) move Barrett.

What if Edwards, Hayes, Wiseman and Ball are gone? I'd start moving to Deni Avdija and seeing how I feel about his game (and he's probably one of the most talented young players in this draft with a mentality that you find more here in the stats than anything else)? Where would he play? SF? What does it mean for Knox? It means if Knox can't step his game up then he's not going to be playing and/or be around for long.

Next? I have said this before, I think Onyeka Okongwu can be a special player in the NBA. He has the physical tools, the feel, the defensive chops and a pretty unique evolving offensive game. I do think he can become a Pascall Siakam level player (no obviously they don't play the same position or have the same exact skills).

Cole Anthony then would come in after that as, again, while I don't think he'll win you games with his PG skills, he can make an impact on the offensive end and as a high intensity attack dog type. A tough competitor that can at least help set a tone that I want my team to have.

That's 7 right? Those would be the guys I focus on. That would be my 7. That's the high talent and/or IMO the legit high upside guys. Obviously depending on what happens till draft time (more games and standing change, lottery results, etc.) If I end up with one of them I'd be anywhere from ecstatic to at least solidly ok with.

The rest of the guys? There are a lot of guys that are putting up stats and looking great in college that I honestly don't think will be able to translate to the NBA and/or that doesn't have much in the way of ceiling (Haliburton headlines this group). Doesn't mean they can't contribute, just means that it's not going to be someone that likely will push the needle for me enough. And I'm absolutely looking for a guy that can move the needle for me be it immediately (unlikely) or 2 or 3 years from now (much more realistic). I'm not shopping for role players or secondary guys where I am. Role players and secondary guys? That's what free agency is for since I'd be pretty clear that no needle movers will be signing with my schlep of a team.

There are also guys that I think will flub out completely (RJ Hampton to me is going to be the another Dante Exum). Yep it's most of the rest of the guys in the Tankathon mock lottery. If the Knicks end up at a spot where the the guys I mentioned already are all gone...then I move on and see if I which of the rest of these guys can give me a solid role player down the road and not flub out on me by not being able to mentally (or game wise) adjust to not being "da main man" in the NBA.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, that was a nice read....what are your thoughts on OBi ?

My concern with Obi are:

Age - hes a 22 year old Sophmore. That literally does make him a "man amongst boys" only not necessarily in a good way. Sure its possible that he'll be a late bloomer and continue to develop but it's also possible that what you see is what you'll get. And while other players in this draft gets better Toppin does not. I mean how much of what he does is because hes 3 years more mature physically (and mentally) than the typical sophmore?

Transition to the NBA - Toppin right now is clearly the no.1 option for the Flyers. He does some amazing things on on heck of a team that has a great (underrated) head coach Anthony Grant. It's not hard to argue that Dayton may have the best overall team in college basketball chuck full of players that compliment each other almost perfectly. That makes for a great team but it brings to question what Toppin can do individually when you drop him in a mess (NY is a great example) and hes forced to go up against guys that he's not going to be able to out jump.

Toppin is clearly one of the best college players and I wouldnt be surprised if hes a finalist for the Wooden Award (given to the best player in college basketball). But I dont see what he does translating to the NBA to the degree that it'll make him an elite player.

He is not going to be able to attack the basket like he does at the next level and he doesnt have the ball skills to create his own shot when he wont have a great team around him.

His defense is average and while he explodes well in a straight line hes not what I call a fluid athlete by any means. He also doesnt fight for rebounds like one would expect for a guy with his length and bounce. I just dont see his high use offensive efficiency in college translating and that's kinda his biggest asset.

Without that what do you really have? A guy that can hit jumpshots and finish some plays on dunks? Sure that's not bad, but it's not great either imo.

I think that's why hes kinda fallen back down to earth in a lot of mocks. I dont see him as a top 7 pick for me . I want the guy I pick to be able to be upper echelon in some facets of the game at the next level. Playmaker. Shot creator. High leverage scorer. Defensive anchor. Toppin isnt any of that. For him to make an impact in the NBA I think he needs to significantly improve in his weak areas (cause i dont think his strengths will translate well) and be an all around contributor. And that's where the age concern comes in...how much more can he improve?

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[moocow007]

Everybody wants lamelo until this hothead starts freezing others out. NTY

? His biggest skill is getting others easy shots. Why would he freeze others out? Nothing about anything hes done on the court ever indicates that he freezes others out. Its one thing to be worried about the Ball factor and a possible media circus but let's not start blowing things out of proportion. If he freezes others out and hes the best playmaker in the draft then what does it say about the other PGs in this draft?

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[RHODEY]

So here's the deal...

NO ONE on this team right now should be untouchable. NO ONE on this team right now has screamed to me that they are MUST to build around. It is what it is...

So the notion that you have to start trying to fit whomever you draft into the guys on this team is a reach. No, you don't say can player 'x' fit with "a, b and c". You look at player 'x' and you ask yourself, can this guy be a legit star? A game changer? On and by the way, can he theoretically also fit with the guys I do have.

The reason we are talking PG's is because it just so happens that there's a heavy concentration of them slotted to go in the top part of this draft. It shouldn't be because that's what this team needs. This team is probably the 2nd least talented team in the NBA right now. It's a stinker of a team. It has no Zion like player. It doesn't even have a Ja like player. Nothing. So stop trying to fit the guy that they'll be drafting into this current mix so much so that it clouds judgement. If I was the Pelican's, then yeah, I'm probably ready to look at fit more than anything else. But we aren't at that point yet.

Who I like if I were in charge?

I'd be looking for game changer players, guys that can become legit stars in the NBA. So I'd be looking at guys who's game and mentality can dominate and do well in the NBA. REGARDLESS of who I got on this team.

What I'd be interested in most is not to figure out if LaMelo Ball can ever learn to shoot, it's to figure out what his mentality really is (not the assumed drama mentality being a Ball) or anything like that.

Honestly, my top priority would be to try to get a real feel for James Wiseman and how much of a competitor he really is and what really is his capacity to step up and elevate his game when the competition gets harder. That would be my no.1 task? Why? Cause of all the players in this draft, Wiseman is the guy that absolutely can dominate if everything clicks on. More than anyone else. And no, if Wiseman can give me the warm and fuzzy feeling it absolutely does not matter if we already have Mitch Robinson or how good Mitch is or can be. Why? Cause I can flip Robinson for something else I can maximize value on.

Then it's onto LaMelo Ball and try to figure out if his mentality and makeup, and game, will translate better than his brother Lonzo's and what will I be getting once the lights AND pressure AND criticism turn on here. Would my assumption that he's made more for NY than any other player in this draft be correct?

So Ball and Wiseman, Wiseman and Ball, would be my top 2. Then I go from there.

Finding a shooter? Look. I'm not discounting shooting. Nor am I discounting how shooting could open up the floor for some of the other guys on the team. And yep, the NBA now puts a premium on shooting. But unless there's a Steph Curry in this draft (there isn't) the Knicks have a bigger need than a shooter at the top of their no.1 need list. So, again, no, shooting isn't the most important thing when figuring out who to draft. You can find shooting. You can't find a premium talent, an alpha lead, a game changer remotely as easily. If it were then we wouldn't be in the situation we've been in for over 2 decades running.

So, yeah, Wiseman and Ball would be at the top of my list. Then it's everyone else in some form.

So what happens if the Knicks don't end up with a top 3 or so pick (what you need to get Wiseman or Ball)? Killian Hayes next.

What if Hayes, Wiseman and Ball are gone? BPA Anthony Edwards would be where I'd lean. What about Barrett? What about him? IF Edwards is who I believe he can be and he lives up to the billing then I can: a) move Barrett to SF, b) move Barrett.

What if Edwards, Hayes, Wiseman and Ball are gone? I'd start moving to Deni Avdija and seeing how I feel about his game (and he's probably one of the most talented young players in this draft with a mentality that you find more here in the stats than anything else)? Where would he play? SF? What does it mean for Knox? It means if Knox can't step his game up then he's not going to be playing and/or be around for long.

Next? I have said this before, I think Onyeka Okongwu can be a special player in the NBA. He has the physical tools, the feel, the defensive chops and a pretty unique evolving offensive game. I do think he can become a Pascall Siakam level player (no obviously they don't play the same position or have the same exact skills).

Cole Anthony then would come in after that as, again, while I don't think he'll win you games with his PG skills, he can make an impact on the offensive end and as a high intensity attack dog type. A tough competitor that can at least help set a tone that I want my team to have.

That's 7 right? Those would be the guys I focus on. That would be my 7. That's the high talent and/or IMO the legit high upside guys. Obviously depending on what happens till draft time (more games and standing change, lottery results, etc.) If I end up with one of them I'd be anywhere from ecstatic to at least solidly ok with.

The rest of the guys? There are a lot of guys that are putting up stats and looking great in college that I honestly don't think will be able to translate to the NBA and/or that doesn't have much in the way of ceiling (Haliburton headlines this group). Doesn't mean they can't contribute, just means that it's not going to be someone that likely will push the needle for me enough. And I'm absolutely looking for a guy that can move the needle for me be it immediately (unlikely) or 2 or 3 years from now (much more realistic). I'm not shopping for role players or secondary guys where I am. Role players and secondary guys? That's what free agency is for since I'd be pretty clear that no needle movers will be signing with my schlep of a team.

There are also guys that I think will flub out completely (RJ Hampton to me is going to be the another Dante Exum). Yep it's most of the rest of the guys in the Tankathon mock lottery. If the Knicks end up at a spot where the the guys I mentioned already are all gone...then I move on and see if I which of the rest of these guys can give me a solid role player down the road and not flub out on me by not being able to mentally (or game wise) adjust to not being "da main man" in the NBA.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, that was a nice read....what are your thoughts on OBi ?

My concern with Obi are:

Age - hes a 22 year old Sophmore. That literally does make him a "man amongst boys" only not necessarily in a good way. Sure its possible that he'll be a late bloomer and continue to develop but it's also possible that what you see is what you'll get. And while other players in this draft gets better Toppin does not. I mean how much of what he does is because hes 3 years more mature physically (and mentally) than the typical sophmore?

Transition to the NBA - Toppin right now is clearly the no.1 option for the Flyers. He does some amazing things on on heck of a team that has a great (underrated) head coach Anthony Grant. It's not hard to argue that Dayton may have the best overall team in college basketball chuck full of players that compliment each other almost perfectly. That makes for a great team but it brings to question what Toppin can do individually when you drop him in a mess (NY is a great example) and hes forced to go up against guys that he's not going to be able to out jump.

Toppin is clearly one of the best college players and I wouldnt be surprised if hes a finalist for the Wooden Award (given to the best player in college basketball). But I dont see what he does translating to the NBA to the degree that it'll make him an elite player.

He is not going to be able to attack the basket like he does at the next level and he doesnt have the ball skills to create his own shot when he wont have a great team around him.

His defense is average and while he explodes well in a straight line hes not what I call a fluid athlete by any means. He also doesnt fight for rebounds like one would expect for a guy with his length and bounce. I just dont see his high use offensive efficiency in college translating and that's kinda his biggest asset.

Without that what do you really have? A guy that can hit jumpshots and finish some plays on dunks? Sure that's not bad, but it's not great either imo.

I think that's why hes kinda fallen back down to earth in a lot of mocks. I dont see him as a top 7 pick for me . I want the guy I pick to be able to be upper echelon in some facets of the game at the next level. Playmaker. Shot creator. High leverage scorer. Defensive anchor. Toppin isnt any of that. For him to make an impact in the NBA I think he needs to significantly improve in his weak areas (cause i dont think his strengths will translate well) and be an all around contributor. And that's where the age concern comes in...how much more can he improve?

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Thanks for the input...I see the Amare comparisons and he looks pretty dam dynamic. One dude was saying Amare with passing skills and a better 3 point shot... I still like the kid and would be willing to risk the pick, I think he translates instantly. But I could be wrong.

[knickstape4ever]

Cole Anthony is kinda growing on me if they feel Barrett is best at the 2; even tho he's not a pure pass-1st PG, next to RJ (who should play more on-ball going forward) he could be a nice fit w/ his shooting ability

[Oscirus]

Everybody wants lamelo until this hothead starts freezing others out. NTY

? His biggest skill is getting others easy shots. Why would he freeze others out? Nothing about anything hes done on the court ever indicates that he freezes others out. Its one thing to be worried about the Ball factor and a possible media circus but let's not start blowing things out of proportion. If he freezes others out and hes the best playmaker in the draft then what does it say about the other PGs in this draft?

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He averaged 19 points on less than 30 percent shooting in a lesser league than the ncaa. He has bust written all over him.