OT: Ahmaud Arbery murdered in Georgia - DA Indicted!!! (Update p. 11))

[K_ick_God]

I cannot fathom how or why someone happened to be behind them videoing.

[RHODEY]

I cannot fathom how or why someone happened to be behind them videoing.

When lynchings were the rage ~100 years ago, they took photos and even staged picnics around the event. It was "entertainment" for them.

[Fury]

They are obviously racist. But they are cowards and murderers first. We pass people who are racists everyday in the supermarket. I consider abject racism to be a form of derangement. But I don't think it changes the severity of a cold blooded murder.

I'm Colombian and people hate me for that, but murder is murder. The motive is hate. Not passion or self defense. These two men hated the victim and premeditation seems obvious from that video. If it makes you more mad at these cowards that's justifiable. But saying you'll 'fix' racism by punishing these pieces of **** harder is laughable.

There are lessons from history and all around the world that you can't legislate what's in peoples heart, white people hating black people, black people hating white people, Mexicans hating Colombians, Colombians hating Mexicans, Jews hating Arabs, Arabs hating Jews, Hutu hating Tutsi. They should die in a chair, do you want to torture them first? If they were two black men who ambushed this poor guy for more base reasons (he insulted them, or threatened them, or owed them money, or they were just looking to rob him) you would punish them less?

So I guess we should go back to separate but equal?

S but E was about the government denying access to services. People were being denied equal protection under the law. It didn't legislate that hating people and not wanting to sell them a wedding cake was a crime.

So...going back to your point, about legislating hate, you don't think it should be a crime to deny services based on race?

[K_ick_God]

I cannot fathom how or why someone happened to be behind them videoing.

When lynchings were the rage ~100 years ago, they took photos and even staged picnics around the event. It was "entertainment" for them.

Yes but is that the case here? It seems like there is audio and yet nobody in the vehicle filming it reacts audibly. There's no "Oh my God" or the like.

Not saying I have an opinion but it is crazy how much all things, even on what appeared to be an otherwise empty road in a rural area of Georgia, are being captured on camera.

[RHODEY]

I cannot fathom how or why someone happened to be behind them videoing.

When lynchings were the rage ~100 years ago, they took photos and even staged picnics around the event. It was "entertainment" for them.

Yes but is that the case here? It seems like there is audio and yet nobody in the vehicle filming it reacts audibly. There's no "Oh my God" or the like.

Not saying I have an opinion but it is crazy how much all things, even on what appeared to be an otherwise empty road in a rural area of Georgia, are being captured on camera.

Maybe.. Sundown towns do still exist. Perhaps, when the local residents spot someone who doesn't belong, they bring shot guns for the confrontation, and cameras to replay the action-for "educational" or "entertainment" purposes..

[HarthorneWingo]

So I guess we should go back to separate but equal?

S but E was about the government denying access to services. People were being denied equal protection under the law. It didn't legislate that hating people and not wanting to sell them a wedding cake was a crime.

So...going back to your point, about legislating hate, you don't think it should be a crime to deny services based on race?

Like giving out face masks, vaccines, etc. It can rise to a crime, I guess, if it's severe enough and it results in serious bodily injury or death. I think before that happens, communities usually file for a civil injunction to remedy and correct the behavior being challenged.

Look what happened in Flint, Michigan over the contaminated water. There were criminal charges filed there.

[ITGM]

I cannot fathom how or why someone happened to be behind them videoing.

Watch on YouTube

Apparently, he was the third hunting partner.

[HarthorneWingo]

I cannot fathom how or why someone happened to be behind them videoing.

Watch on YouTube

Apparently, he was the third hunting partner.

Kinda reminds me of that movie "Get Out" by Jordan Peele. This was the 20 minute version sans the girlfriend and all the surrounding plot.

[HarthorneWingo]

Read on Twitter

[spree8]

Jesus Christ I wish I never clicked on that video.

Why on earth would you even try to fight off a couple rednecks with shotguns??? Damnit kid

[UcanUwill]

Being from Europe, I'll never understand this kind of action. Why don't they report their "suspicion" to the police and let them handle the rest. This makes me sick. IMO this happens when you let everyone buy a gun. There will always be moron. Why let them buy guns? If they f*ck up, the opposing side will add guns too.

No disrepsect to the guys who own and handle guns the right way.
But for the greater good: guns should only be available for authorities.

Second amendment is big cancer of that country, and sensible people never put an effort to take down organized NRA vermin. These people who rally to keep their guns only care for themselves and their gun fetish. Do you think they rally for guns because they think that betters their community and makes country safer? Or do they just want to keep their toys? They do not care how much mass shootings happens, or much stuff like this happens, or how much undiagnosed mental patiens there is everywhere. This country now has 300 million people, Second amendment was written when towns had 100 poeple in it, of course people had guns back then, its different now, every stairwell now has sick people who want to hurt themselves or maybe worse - others too. Sadly people who might be against guns just dont care, they dont have the same motivation as people who are obsessed with keeping their tools to kill, they wont care until their wife or children become victims, its a disgrace.
Armed people now gets armed to go to protests, proudly costplaying like COD protagonists, storming Government building, and people in there had that law so inprinted in their lifes, no one even thinks that having such easy accessibility to guns might be bad idea. Even president cant call out these people, instead calling them very good people, USA has inploded, its the most dystopian place in the world right now, its a freaking joke.

[Rich Rane]

The real tragedy is athletes kneeling during the anthem.

[HarthorneWingo]

Being from Europe, I'll never understand this kind of action. Why don't they report their "suspicion" to the police and let them handle the rest. This makes me sick. IMO this happens when you let everyone buy a gun. There will always be moron. Why let them buy guns? If they f*ck up, the opposing side will add guns too.

No disrepsect to the guys who own and handle guns the right way.
But for the greater good: guns should only be available for authorities.

Second amendment is big cancer of that country, and sensible people never put an effort to take down organized NRA vermin. These people who rally to keep their guns only care for themselves and their gun fetish. Do you think they rally for guns because they think that betters their community and makes country safer? Or do they just want to keep their toys? They do not care how much mass shootings happens, or much stuff like this happens, or how much undiagnosed mental patiens there is everywhere. This country now has 300 million people, Second amendment was written when towns had 100 poeple in it, of course people had guns back then, its different now, every stairwell now has sick people who want to hurt themselves or maybe worse - others too. Sadly people who might be against guns just dont care, they dont have the same motivation as people who are obsessed with keeping their tools to kill, they wont care until their wife or children become victims, its a disgrace.
Armed people now gets armed to go to protests, proudly costplaying like COD protagonists, storming Government building, and people in there had that law so inprinted in their lifes, no one even thinks that having such easy accessibility to guns might be bad idea. Even president cant call out these people, instead calling them very good people, USA has inploded, its the most dystopian place in the world right now, its a freaking joke.

We are witnessing the fall of the American empire.

[Oscirus]

Save yourselves the Aneurysms, this case wont get past the grand jury. We've seen this dance way too many times and Georgia seems like it cant be assed to deal with this case

[Stannis]

It's time to get reorganized!

If all of Black America use the 2nd Amendment, that will probably be the day that amendment is abolished.

[Stannis]

Jesus Christ I wish I never clicked on that video.

Why on earth would you even try to fight off a couple rednecks with shotguns??? Damnit kid

I can't tell from the video because he camera moves away. But it looks like they were already aiming at him. I mean, the guy was in the back of the truck ready.

It looks like he we went behind the truck to hide then back around to get one of the shooters.

I'm not sure if running away would have done anything.

[DOT]

It's time to get reorganized!

If all of Black America use the 2nd Amendment, that will probably be the day that amendment is abolished.

See: Mulford Act of 1967

Put into place by good ol' Ronnie Reagan and even promoted by the NRA once the Black Panthers started open carrying

[Stannis]

If all of Black America use the 2nd Amendment, that will probably be the day that amendment is abolished
See: Mulford Act of 1967

Put into place by good ol' Ronnie Reagan and even promoted by the NRA once the Black Panthers started open carrying

That act still in effect?

So let me get this straight, there's no open carry in California because black people started carrying guns?

[nedleeds]

Jesus Christ I wish I never clicked on that video.

Why on earth would you even try to fight off a couple rednecks with shotguns??? Damnit kid

I can't tell from the video because he camera moves away. But it looks like they were already aiming at him. I mean, the guy was in the back of the truck ready.

It looks like he we went behind the truck to hide then back around to get one of the shooters.

I'm not sure if running away would have done anything.

Who cares? He had a right to defend himself. If he felt that meant trying to get the shotgun away from a guy threatening him then so what. Running just as soon would have gotten him the buckshot in his back, not his gut.

The key aspect of this video is that it's *CLEAR* the two attackers were under *NO* danger. There is no self defense aspect to this from what we see in that video. Had they just continued to yell "We want to talk to you!" as they claim then nothing happens. He continues jogging. I think these two pieces of **** were convinced he was armed. They could just have such a deranged mindset around vigilantism that they think they have the right to "arrest" people who aren't immediately threatening life or property though, who knows.

[K_ick_God]

Prosecutor says video of him in the house shows he entered. How much is there to steal in an empty house under construction? Some things. But not a lot. Did he abandon a car? Did he throw a bag before the video starts?

You're not going far on foot with stolen goods. Maybe he had mental health problems and was running and also entered a house. That should not cause anybody to follow him with guns in a freaking pickup truck.

Sounds like he was tracked down for maybe trespassing or the like.

Absurd. These laws are absurd. Stand your ground is really a license for citizen militias. I'm going to just go out on a crazy limb and say that's unconstitutional. Mix it with the 2nd Amendment and you have what amounts to the Old South in all the worst ways.

The basic thing is that EVEN IF someone committed a crime, you call 9-11. There are problems with police as well, as we know, but citizens doing this is much, much, much, much worse in every possible way. EVEN IF they're not racist, even if it's not two white people chasing a black man.

The only time you can should be able to use violence if you're a citizen is if someone is posing a threat to you physically and you have no other choice. An imminent threat of bodily harm. These people are creating the threat to themselves and then getting off for the ambiguity of who struggled with whom or whatever. Are you kidding me already.

Let's say he did struggle with the gun and it was 100% an accident. For argument's sake. So what? They shouldn't have even been there. They are pulling out a gun in broad daylight and they're not the police. Who wouldn't struggle with them? Even if it was three white guys.

There's a reason the phrase goes "It's the police, stop or I'll shoot." The police is like, I dunno, an entry-level requirement -- supposedly they're trained and have authority, that's why they show a badge. Enough is enough for the love of God.