2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Phish Tank]

These are the guys who got Michigan right in 2016:

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Wisconsin:

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Minnesota:

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Arizona:

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Texas:

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Trafalgar is a Republican polling group with a C- grade from 538 and a MOE of +- 6.

"the social desirability" polls

anyhow, polls are for Twitter and for the news media. Most rational people are ignoring them.

[br7knicks]

A lot of your paragraphs are concerning - not you, but people you know who are voting Trump because of their money.

His first few years, I didn't mind his economic policies. But after listening to economic expert, Peter Schiff, on Rogan, he brought up how Trump is doing nothing but continuing a lot of Obama's increase of the bubble that's going to pop eventually.

Which sucks because the economy was looking good under trump, and people will associate that to him. But according to a lot of economic experts (beyond just Schiff), trump isn't helping a lot of the horrible economy that Obama created, he's merely prolonging the bubble bursting - but he will go down, unfortunately in the history books, as a savior of the economy.


Prior to the virus outbreak, I don't think his spending and destroying of the economy was as bad as Obama, but it's absolutely plausible, now, that he's overspending the previous administration.

I agree that the politicians should've looked more into pumping money into the people, and not the upper class and resources was a huge mistake. We still haven't gotten closer to the second stimulus, but that's not surprising.

You think Peter Sciff is legit? I've tried to listen to him, but he's been predicting a market crash since like 2011. I know a predicted the housing crisis, but a broken clock is right twice a day.

And I can't get past that he keeps pushing gold, but sells gold for a living. No biased there...

Theoretically, the market is always a "bubble" in a bull run.

I'm not a huge fan, but I enjoyed listening to him on Rogan. Im definitely suspect of him, because he's all in with the gold thing, and he runs a company that's all about investing in gold. I may be wrong, but aren't the people who push gold usually conspiracy theory crackpots - Ron Swanson from parks and rec.

While he is suspect, I'd trust someone like him more than a politician, albeit not a lot more trust. To me, he has to have an ulterior motive as well, ie his gold business.

Yeah, the market is always in that bear or bull state, but he was making a lot more sense than any other politician as to why trump is hurting the economy more than helping, in the long run.

That's why I wanted Cuban, and now Yang, to be at least financial advisors to whoever is president, because I feel they'd have the majority of the citizens (lower and middle class) and their best interest versus any politician, or someone like trump.

[br7knicks]

Biden is certainly not the most exciting or best option IMO but with that being said I cannot and will not vote to Trump. Politics aside I can’t respect him as a human being. That and I don’t agree with a lot of the viewpoints and stances he takes politically.

Second election in a row where it seems people are voting against a candidate rather than voting for a candidate... which says a lot about our selection process. The fact this is the “best” we can find in our country is certainly alarming

That's pretty much it for me, with Trump. All I want the president to ever do is keep Congress from overspending, and to fix the economy.

But I could never, in good conscious, vote for someone like trump. It definitely seems like another instance where we're voting against someone, versus voting for.

I would've voted FOR Tulsi, had she gotten the nod, a fair chance, or at least the VP nomination

[Oscirus]

Id wait till the rnc bump next week to see the actual numbers, for now they're fluctuating.

If **** like this continues though: https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/republican-national-convention-positive-covid-153806380.html Might not be good for trump and co

[Oscirus]

Doubt this is an indicator of anything but rnc has so far lost to dnc in total viewers despite having less competition.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/republican-national-convention-final-night-161302092.html

[br7knicks]

I am curious the sp and dow how did they do under the previous administration? and who is actually making the most off the market.
So I looked it up it is pretty close. The trend upward started with Obama and just continued
https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/01/14/obama-had-more-stock-market-records-than-trump/#1a85fe676684
That is something I think the dems should play on. they took over after the great recession and started the growth curve. So what is harder continuing a trend or reversing and fixing it? If donnie was so good our deficit should not be where it is with the growth we have

For sure.

Trump made the market priority after the virus and got the fed to print more money. I think dems should run on that. Market recessions are completely natural. But pumping all your resources into it and not the people during a pandemic is not. I think Obama/Biden would have let the market fall and focused on the lower/middle class; while Trump is looking after the middle/upper class and their 401ks and maintaining their wealth.

That being said, people are sheep. They see a good market, they attach it to the president and think he's doing well. Especially after the drops we saw.

And I personally know people who are still voting for Trump even though they hate him and think he's racist because they are killing it in the market. So that worries me.

Hopefully they bring up the deficit a lot as well. I believe Trump is outspending Obama's years IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I dont think the spending comparison is too valid as Obama spent early and heavy on getting out of the recession while trump spent on the trade wars, and tax breaks.
Interesting article....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/#76b71d5a4819
If I was the dems I would be playing that up. Most people don't realize there is more then just the market as an indicator of how healthy a nations economy is

they are apples and oranges, but recessions haven't historically been fixed the way he did - mainly continuing the war that dumbass Bush got us involved in.

he exasperated a lot of it by not listening to a lot of people who advised him that certain ideas and programs would lead to economic problems for the people he thought he was helping (obamacare and lower/middle class families).


trump just isn't helping anything that was started by clinton, made worse by bush, new and innovated ways to hurt the economy by obama.

that's why i would want someone like cuban or yang in there to try to right the ship

[br7knicks]

Doubt this is an indicator of anything but rnc has so far lost to dnc in total viewers despite having less competition.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/republican-national-convention-final-night-161302092.html

i think the problem is that, a lot of people who hated clinton, believed trump when he said he was going to "clean the swamp" of political corruption that was taking place, and a lot of his economic ideas. a lot of smart people i know, who are registered and lifelong democrats, voted for trump because of those two reasons (also with how much they hated hillary, but to a lesser extent with that).


i think they're realizing that trump is just like every other politician, and he's not doing ANYTHING to clean the swamp, or truly fix the economy in the long run.


i think a lot less people are going to vote for trump this time around. that's why i wanted someone like tulsi/yang to get the nominee for president because they could easily swing people who are fed up with/hate trump, but she's not extreme like bernie, because i know a lot of people who would do: someone like tulsi > trump > bernie and his extremism.

i think biden is a reasonable pick. but there are a lot of concerns for him - then again, find me any politician where there aren't a bunch of red flags.

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This is a very encouraging sign for Dems

[Jeff Van Gully]

To completely keep her out and away from the party should be embarrassing for them. She's reasonable and smart enough, for people like me, to have swung people that hate Trump, but don't like biden, to some good change that we need.

I dont follow politics hardcore so I'm out of the loop. Why does the DNC not like Tulsi?

She went to war against her own party. Not in the AOC style I call BS kind of critiques, but actual war.

She has well known political affiliations with Assad and Modi.

Most of her attacks are similar or identical to the same memes generated by Russian troll farms and the Alt Right.

If you want to see how FOS she is, read this:

Gabbard voted "present" when the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Trump in December 2019, saying, "I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country."

She's duplicitous and opportunistic and has zero loyalty to the Democratic Party so she doesn't get a seat at the table. Tough chit

tulsi's blatant homophobia also wasn't going to play.

[Pointgod]

I dont follow politics hardcore so I'm out of the loop. Why does the DNC not like Tulsi?

She went to war against her own party. Not in the AOC style I call BS kind of critiques, but actual war.

She has well known political affiliations with Assad and Modi.

Most of her attacks are similar or identical to the same memes generated by Russian troll farms and the Alt Right.

If you want to see how FOS she is, read this:

Gabbard voted "present" when the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Trump in December 2019, saying, "I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country."

She's duplicitous and opportunistic and has zero loyalty to the Democratic Party so she doesn't get a seat at the table. Tough chit

tulsi's blatant homophobia also wasn't going to play.

Not to mention her softcore Islamophobia. I’m always amazed that when I come across the 5 people that voted for her on the Primary they ignore her glaringly obvious red flags and paint a picture of a totally different person.

[br7knicks]

I dont follow politics hardcore so I'm out of the loop. Why does the DNC not like Tulsi?

She went to war against her own party. Not in the AOC style I call BS kind of critiques, but actual war.

She has well known political affiliations with Assad and Modi.

Most of her attacks are similar or identical to the same memes generated by Russian troll farms and the Alt Right.

If you want to see how FOS she is, read this:

Gabbard voted "present" when the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Trump in December 2019, saying, "I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country."

She's duplicitous and opportunistic and has zero loyalty to the Democratic Party so she doesn't get a seat at the table. Tough chit

tulsi's blatant homophobia also wasn't going to play.

i believe she went back and, not only addressed her older statements, but has changed her mind on a lot of things.


I understand why she used to think a different way - not all, but a lot of people brought up in extremely religious households are taught to believe certain things, and it's hard for them to change them.


she has since changed her stances on gay people, gay marriage, etc. she didn't do it for clout or poll numbers, either. i can respect people who have the ability to change their minds as they grow as a person. to call her homophobic, i feel, is unfair

[br7knicks]

She went to war against her own party. Not in the AOC style I call BS kind of critiques, but actual war.

She has well known political affiliations with Assad and Modi.

Most of her attacks are similar or identical to the same memes generated by Russian troll farms and the Alt Right.

If you want to see how FOS she is, read this:

Gabbard voted "present" when the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Trump in December 2019, saying, "I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country."

She's duplicitous and opportunistic and has zero loyalty to the Democratic Party so she doesn't get a seat at the table. Tough chit

tulsi's blatant homophobia also wasn't going to play.

Not to mention her softcore Islamophobia. I’m always amazed that when I come across the 5 people that voted for her on the Primary they ignore her glaringly obvious red flags and paint a picture of a totally different person.

what has she said that is islamophobic? i legit don't know.


now is it something like sam harris, who has been labeled one because ben affleck called him one, simply because of a different viewpoint?

and i watched the interview where sam harris was on bill maher's show. i'm not sure why he's seen as islamophobic either, as he was bringing something up and questioning fellow liberal people. but now, because one person called him islamophobic, he's seen as one.


if you can show me evidence (no, CNN and fox news are not places to get evidence, since they repeatedly alter information and evidence) of her recently saying these sorts of statements, it'll shine new light on her for me. i just have to see it.

[J9Starks3]

I tell you who I wont be voting for... I wont be voting for the old white dude with questionable history of making racist comments and being a little too gropey with the women... so looks like another write in year again.

[br7knicks]

I tell you who I wont be voting for... I wont be voting for the old white dude with questionable history of making racist comments and being a little too gropey with the women... so looks like another write in year again.

I see what you did there

[Kampuchea]

I tell you who I wont be voting for... I wont be voting for the old white dude with questionable history of making racist comments and being a little too gropey with the women... so looks like another write in year again.

I am with you, I will be writing in. I considered Howie but the campaign bothered me.

My new PE avatar says it all.

[J9Starks3]

I tell you who I wont be voting for... I wont be voting for the old white dude with questionable history of making racist comments and being a little too gropey with the women... so looks like another write in year again.

I am with you, I will be writing in. I considered Howie but the campaign bothered me.

My new PE avatar says it all.

There are way way more of us than the mainstream media would like to acknowledge I think... if I could make a change right now to how we vote in the US, it would be that you get 1 vote for OR against an individual... I think it is the only way to actually break the duopoly we have in our 2 party system. The Ds and the Rs would be forced to either put up actual humans or risk losing to a 3rd party. I cant bring myself to vote for either one of the d-bag choices I am presented with, but certainly know I could vote against 1 of them more so than the other. Instead I usually have to write someone in and “throw away my vote”

[J9Starks3]

I tell you who I wont be voting for... I wont be voting for the old white dude with questionable history of making racist comments and being a little too gropey with the women... so looks like another write in year again.

I am with you, I will be writing in. I considered Howie but the campaign bothered me.

My new PE avatar says it all.

Avatar is spot on too btw!

[Clyde_Style]

She went to war against her own party. Not in the AOC style I call BS kind of critiques, but actual war.

She has well known political affiliations with Assad and Modi.

Most of her attacks are similar or identical to the same memes generated by Russian troll farms and the Alt Right.

If you want to see how FOS she is, read this:

Gabbard voted "present" when the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Trump in December 2019, saying, "I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country."

She's duplicitous and opportunistic and has zero loyalty to the Democratic Party so she doesn't get a seat at the table. Tough chit

tulsi's blatant homophobia also wasn't going to play.

Not to mention her softcore Islamophobia. I’m always amazed that when I come across the 5 people that voted for her on the Primary they ignore her glaringly obvious red flags and paint a picture of a totally different person.

She's a Hindu Nationalist, which has produced some of the worst politics and most toxic supporters on the planet. The soul of India is withering under Modi and American Hindus are very pro-Trump.

The connection is not random, because Tulsi is a chaos agent whose sole purpose was to help Trump win. Anyone who thinks shes authentic got suckered big time.

[robillionaire]

I tell you who I wont be voting for... I wont be voting for the old white dude with questionable history of making racist comments and being a little too gropey with the women... so looks like another write in year again.

I am with you, I will be writing in. I considered Howie but the campaign bothered me.

My new PE avatar says it all.

curious as to who you might write in

check out la riva/peltier ticket if not hawkins

[Stannis]

What i don't get... Is that from what I watched, the agenda from the right is "if you want safety, more police, controlling the riots, stop illegals, more freedoms, etc. you need to elect Trump".

Which I don't get because... Trump is already in office now. He has the power. Even if I was on the right, I would say Trump failed me. Especially now because it's like he's running a campaign for election, not re-election.