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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#41 » by DowNY » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:06 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent over someone like Mitch. Mobley can actually put the ball on the floor and I've seen him actually find players with good passes. He could be a real unicorn type big man.

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#42 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:06 pm

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Right now, yea. I think those 3 guys are in a tier of their own. Mobley is legit. Depends on how the rest of the season goes and the G-league guys though.

You’re turning on Mitch :o


Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.

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For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

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Right now, yea. I think those 3 guys are in a tier of their own. Mobley is legit. Depends on how the rest of the season goes and the G-league guys though.

You’re turning on Mitch :o


Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.

That's about where I'm at with Mobley...though I seem to be more intrigued by the GL duo than you do. Mobley may not be a #1 option for a long time, if he ever becomes one, but iso scoring is far from the main thing for me when we're talking a modern 5. I'm much more interested in his defensive versatility, shooting & playmaking.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

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Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.

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For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#45 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:13 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:You’re turning on Mitch :o


Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.

sham will not be happy to hear this after I break this news to him. :lol:

For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him


Mitch/Mobley frontcourt...so crazy it could work :o
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#46 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:16 pm

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Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.

sham will not be happy to hear this after I break this news to him. :lol:

For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him

Who do you have after Cade, Green, Kuminga & Suggs?

Boukknight and Ziarie. Then Mobley
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#47 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:17 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent.


He's really thin so whoever drafts him would need to be patient with him. He's probably going to need a while to fill out his frame and adjust to the league. Doesn't seem like he would be an instant contributing starter from day 1 especially for a team looking to win games.


Wasn't KP 215 when he enter the league? I don't think your wrong about him needing to bulk up but that doesn't mean he couldn't have an impact from day one. He's more of a face up big than a back to the basket big, where he'd really need that weight right away. Do you think he's going to have issues bulking up? I wouldn't say he has a narrow frame or anything. I also think having his older brother come in at 235, helps his case that adding weight shouldn't be that big of a deal. I'm guessing you would lean towards Green or Kuminga instead of Mobley?
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#48 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:18 pm

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Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.

sham will not be happy to hear this after I break this news to him. :lol:

For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him


Mitch/Mobley frontcourt...so crazy it could work :o

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#49 » by cgf » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:33 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:sham will not be happy to hear this after I break this news to him. :lol:

For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him

Who do you have after Cade, Green, Kuminga & Suggs?

Boukknight and Ziarie. Then Mobley

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Post#50 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:37 pm

I personally don’t see any point in us taking Mobley anywhere we land. Why take a raw center when there’s a lot of guards/wings available? Especially considering Randle and Mitch have been great together, and we also just took Obi. Knicks taking another big man who seems years away from making an impact seems like a classic lol Knicks move in my opinion.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#51 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:38 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:sham will not be happy to hear this after I break this news to him. :lol:

For me I’m taking Jalen Green. Green is tied with Cade for me at #1. I have Mobley as maybe a top 6 pick. Couple of players I would take over him


Mitch/Mobley frontcourt...so crazy it could work :o

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Ideally I want a guard or wing but would make an exception for Mobley if he's there and the bpa. He looks like he can be a unicorn big. Short term, he can play PF fine especially since he needs to gain some strength. He is mobile enough to guard anywhere on the floor....maybe even long term he plays PF like AD. Him and Mitch would be dominant on defense. Apologies to Randle, but can sell high while we can.

I still have to check out Kuminga/Green though.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#52 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:38 pm

I’d only take Mobley to trade down with a team actually
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#53 » by HEZI » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:39 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent.


He's really thin so whoever drafts him would need to be patient with him. He's probably going to need a while to fill out his frame and adjust to the league. Doesn't seem like he would be an instant contributing starter from day 1 especially for a team looking to win games.


Wasn't KP 215 when he enter the league? I don't think your wrong about him needing to bulk up but that doesn't mean he couldn't have an impact from day one. He's more of a face up big than a back to the basket big, where he'd really need that weight right away. Do you think he's going to have issues bulking up? I wouldn't say he has a narrow frame or anything. I also think having his older brother come in at 235, helps his case that adding weight shouldn't be that big of a deal. I'm guessing you would lean towards Green or Kuminga instead of Mobley?


But we're talking about him playing the 5 next to Randle, right? KP wasn't playing the 5 on the Knicks especially in his rookie year. I don't think Mobley is going to have issues adding strength and weight and getting to a point where he can hold his own in the league but what I am saying is the way he's built right now and likely what he might look like his first year in the league there should be lower expectations because he doesn't look physically ready to handle those duties of starting NBA center. 2,3,4 years down the road is a different story and as a prospect I think Mobley is fine, he makes sense to any team willing to be patient and letting him come into his own without major expectations year 1.

As far as Green or Kuminga goes, I really have no opinion because I haven't watched much of either. I have seen a bunch of high school stuff from Green and I've seen him in King of the Court games so solely based on that I think he looks extremely intriguing and his skills on that level are as elite as it gets. I think he's very talented and won't be surprised if he becomes an NBA star eventually based on the stuff I've seen of him on a much inferior level but there's always a risk and he might not be cut out to do those same things in the NBA so who knows but he seems like somebody that would be worth the gamble. Kuminga on the other hand I know very little about so I'm going to be reserved about him until I get a chance to dig into some of his videos and maybe get a better feel of him as a player.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#54 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:42 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
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Mitch/Mobley frontcourt...so crazy it could work :o

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:lol:

Ideally I want a guard or wing but would make an exception for Mobley if he's there and the bpa. He looks like he can be a unicorn big. Short term, he can play PF fine especially since he needs to gain some strength. He is mobile enough to guard anywhere on the floor....maybe even long term he plays PF like AD. Him and Mitch would be dominant on defense. Apologies to Randle, but can sell high while we can.

I still have to check out Kuminga/Green though.

Mobley looks a lot rawer than Wiseman to me. I’d pass no matter where we land in the draft.And i don’t see anything like AD in his game. He’s more like JJJ. Another guy worse than Randle lol.

I also don’t trust Mobley at PF. Would get cooked on the perimeter. He’s a center imo and I think the fit with Mitch is horrible.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#55 » by HEZI » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:44 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:I personally don’t see any point in us taking Mobley anywhere we land. Why take a raw center when there’s a lot of guards/wings available? Especially considering Randle and Mitch have been great together, and we also just took Obi. Knicks taking another big man who seems years away from making an impact seems like a classic lol Knicks move in my opinion.


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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

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Ideally I want a guard or wing but would make an exception for Mobley if he's there and the bpa. He looks like he can be a unicorn big. Short term, he can play PF fine especially since he needs to gain some strength. He is mobile enough to guard anywhere on the floor....maybe even long term he plays PF like AD. Him and Mitch would be dominant on defense. Apologies to Randle, but can sell high while we can.

I still have to check out Kuminga/Green though.

Mobley looks a lot rawer than Wiseman to me. I’d pass no matter where we land in the draft.And i don’t see anything like AD in his game. He’s more like JJJ. Another guy worse than Randle lol.

I also don’t trust Mobley at PF. Would get cooked on the perimeter. He’s a center imo and I think the fit with Mitch is horrible.


Physically he is rawer then Wiseman...but skill wise and athletically he looks much better then Wiseman to me. Think Mobley will be the better overall player long term. Yea, it may take him a year or 2 or whatever...that's fine. A lot of these guys may take some time. We should be looking for the best long term guy anyway.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#59 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:52 pm

HEZI wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I personally don’t see any point in us taking Mobley anywhere we land. Why take a raw center when there’s a lot of guards/wings available? Especially considering Randle and Mitch have been great together, and we also just took Obi. Knicks taking another big man who seems years away from making an impact seems like a classic lol Knicks move in my opinion.


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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#60 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:57 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
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Ideally I want a guard or wing but would make an exception for Mobley if he's there and the bpa. He looks like he can be a unicorn big. Short term, he can play PF fine especially since he needs to gain some strength. He is mobile enough to guard anywhere on the floor....maybe even long term he plays PF like AD. Him and Mitch would be dominant on defense. Apologies to Randle, but can sell high while we can.

I still have to check out Kuminga/Green though.

Mobley looks a lot rawer than Wiseman to me. I’d pass no matter where we land in the draft.And i don’t see anything like AD in his game. He’s more like JJJ. Another guy worse than Randle lol.

I also don’t trust Mobley at PF. Would get cooked on the perimeter. He’s a center imo and I think the fit with Mitch is horrible.


Physically he is rawer then Wiseman...but skill wise and athletically he looks much better then Wiseman to me. Think Mobley will be the better overall player long term. Yea, it may take him a year or 2 or whatever...that's fine. A lot of these guys may take some time. We should be looking for the best long term guy anyway.

Skill wise he looks a lot worse. He can’t create anything on his own besides awkward floaters and some post hook shots. I’d pass. He’s fools gold to me. Long term he seems like he’ll be JJJ. Not even an upgrade over Randle. It just doesn’t make any sense for us to take a raw C over guards, when it’s clear guards is our biggest need.
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